Movatterモバイル変換


[0]ホーム

URL:


Jump to content
WikipediaThe Free Encyclopedia
Search

Talk:Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Good articlesGertrude Rhinelander Waldo House has been listed as one of theArt and architecture good articles under thegood article criteria. If you can improve it further,please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you canreassess it.
Review: April 20, 2024. (Reviewed version).
This article is ratedGA-class on Wikipedia'scontent assessment scale.
It is of interest to the followingWikiProjects:
WikiProject iconArchitecture:Historic housesMid‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope ofWikiProject Architecture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage ofArchitecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can jointhe discussion and see a list of open tasks.ArchitectureWikipedia:WikiProject ArchitectureTemplate:WikiProject ArchitectureArchitecture
MidThis article has been rated asMid-importance on theproject's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported bythe Historic houses task force (assessed asMid-importance).
WikiProject iconNational Register of Historic PlacesMid‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope ofWikiProject National Register of Historic Places, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of U.S.historic sites listed on theNational Register of Historic Places on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can jointhe discussion and see a list of open tasks.National Register of Historic PlacesWikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic PlacesTemplate:WikiProject National Register of Historic PlacesNational Register of Historic Places
MidThis article has been rated asMid-importance on theproject's importance scale.
WikiProject iconNew York (state)Mid‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope ofWikiProject New York (state), a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of theU.S. state ofNew York on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can jointhe discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York (state)Wikipedia:WikiProject New York (state)Template:WikiProject New York (state)New York (state)
MidThis article has been rated asMid-importance on theproject's importance scale.
WikiProject iconNew York CityMid‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope ofWikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage ofNew York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can jointhe discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City
MidThis article has been rated asMid-importance on theproject's importance scale.
A fact fromGertrude Rhinelander Waldo House appeared on Wikipedia'sMain Page in theDid you know column on 15 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: A record of the entry may be seen atWikipedia:Recent additions/2024/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen atTemplate:Did you know nominations/Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House.
icon
Wikipedia

Help

[edit]

I could not find "The Rhinelander Mansion" nor "The Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo Mansion" in theLists of National Historic Landmarks. Is it listed under a different name? The article mentions that it was "purchased by a nearby church in the late 1960s".. maybe it's listed under some church name (I have seen some). Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks in advance, --Abu Badali14:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See added citation.Doctalk19:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's theNational Register of Historic Places not theLists of National Historic Landmarks. Are they the same? Why does teh building appears on the first (that is acommercial site), but not in the second (that is a.gov site)?. I'm confused. --Abu Badali22:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the "reference" for a while. It was:
<ref>Waldo, Gertrude Rhinelander, Mansion (added 1980 - Building - #80002727) retrievedAugust 29,2006 </ref>
Awaiting for clarifications. --Abu Badali14:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
With the lack of clarifications on the matter, Iremoved the mention toNational Historic Landmark. It should be readded when we fix this sourcing problems.

Weasel Words

[edit]

I removed the following text in accordance toWP:AWW:

"It has been suggested that she ran out of money before it was complete."

If any source is found, feel free to rephrase and readd the information to the article. --Abu Badali23:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictions in New York Times articles

[edit]

In researching this forGertrude Rhinelander Waldo, I found

If I read them correctly, the2010 article says that Mrs Waldo bought the property at 72nd and Madison in 1882 and started construction in 1894, while the1915 story says she inherited real estate in 1882 and sold most of it in 1896 to buy the lot and start the new mansion. Can anyone disentangle the elements? (I think that more than one piece of property is involved.)

—— Shakescene (talk)06:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The real estate included the mansion's site and some other land. She sold some other property in 1896 to finance the current house's construction (the sources still disagree on exactly when construction started). –Epicgenius (talk)20:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

[edit]
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such asthis nomination's talk page,the article's talk page orWikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page.No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was:promoted byLightburst talk 22:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

( )
The Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House
The Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House
5x expanded byEpicgenius (talk).

Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 648 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changeswill be logged on the talk page; considerwatching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Epicgenius (talk)16:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Good article, passes Earwig, long enough, and fully sourced. A very good article on a unique building.Onceinawhile (talk)15:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile: Thanks for the review, I appreciate it. To clarify, were the above hooks struck because there were issues with them, or were they just not interesting?Epicgenius (talk)17:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Epic. No issues with any of the hooks, I just felt it was incumbent upon me to choose the hookiest hook 🪝 for the promoter to use.Onceinawhile (talk)22:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

[edit]

The following discussion is closed.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


GA toolbox
Reviewing
This review istranscluded fromTalk:Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator:Epicgenius (talk ·contribs)16:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer:750h+ (talk·contribs)05:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HelloEpicgenius, I'll take this review. 750h+ | Talk 05:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment table

[edit]
Good Article review progress box
Criteria: 1a.prose () 1b.MoS () 2a.ref layout () 2b.citesWP:RS () 2c.noWP:OR () 2d.noWP:CV ()
3a.broadness () 3b.focus () 4.neutral () 5.stable () 6a.free or tagged images () 6b.pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to theGood Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Lead section

[edit]

Site

[edit]
  • These include 888 Madison Avenue, a 22,000-square-foot (2,000 m2) store completed in 2010 as Ralph Lauren's secondary flagship;[9] it is designed in a Beaux-Arts style with a limestone facade and marble interiors,[10][11] The Rhinelander Mansion shares the block with St. James' Episcopal Church immediately to the south, 36 East 72nd Street to the east, and 740 Park Avenue to the southeast. Should "The Rhinelander Mansion" have a capital "The"? This sentence might be a bit too long too. 750h+ | Talk 13:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture

[edit]

History

[edit]

Impact

[edit]

Nothing from me, this is fine.

Image review—pass

[edit]

The prose is excellent. So are the images. The images included are appropriately licensed, so this is animage pass.

Source review

[edit]

Reviewing this version

  • Source 1 OK, checked on each instance of usage, checked viaGoogle Books
  • Source 2 OK, checked on each instance of usage, checked viaOpen Library
  • Source 3 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 10 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 20 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 27 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 30 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 48 OK, checked on each instance of usage, Newspapers.com source
  • Source 65 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 95 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 120 OK
  • Source 121 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 138 OK, checked on each instance of usage
  • Source 191 OK, both sources were checked.

Happy to pass thesource review.

Verdict

[edit]

No comments left, happy to pass this article for GA status. Great job on it.

The discussion above is closed.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Facade

[edit]

Recently, a cedilla wasadded to the wordfacade, citing the fact that our article on this topic is atFaçade.

However, I don't think this word needs a cedilla, perMOS:ENGVAR. According to our article on the topic, both facade and façade are acceptable, although the latter may be difficult for users to type. Additionally, theMerriam-Webster dictionary cites "facade", without a cedilla, as being more common in the U.S. than the variant with the cedilla. I'd also like to note that many (if not most) articles on NY buildings already do not use a cedilla in the word "facade", and thus, not using the cedilla would make this page consistent with similar articles. –Epicgenius (talk)23:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time to state your opinion on the subject. Other editors have also stated their opinions and the majority decided forfaçade as the preferred spelling on the English Wikipedia (regardless of the national variety used, soMOS:ENGVAR does not apply here). You cite the difficulty to type the word with a cedilla, but I'm not asking *you* to do it, all I ask is for you to respect what other editors understand as improvements to the article, and to please not revert them based solely on your personal taste. Counting on your understanding. Kind regards. —capmo (talk)04:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response; however, this is not a matter of personal taste. Merriam-Webster specifically says that the variant without a cedilla, "facade", is more common than the variant with a cedilla, "façade", in American English. Even onTalk:Façade, there doesn't seem to be a clear agreement that "facade" is incorrect. For example, one comment mentions that theCollins dictionary lists "facade" as an acceptable spelling. TheOxford Reference Dictionary also lists "facade" as a correct spelling, even saying that the cedilla is "usually dropped" (although I am unsure how true that is across other dialects).
The fact that thefaçade article is at that title is a separate matter from whether it is more commonly used in American English. There are plenty of articles on Wikipedia whose titles use British or Commonwealth English spelling, such aslabour movement anddefence mechanism. In an American article about something else, however, we would still use the American spelling (e.g. labor movement and defense mechanism), even if the articles about labor movement and defense mechanism use a different spelling.
I would be happy to change it back to "façade" if the majority of other American English dictionaries state that "facade" is incorrect, or that "façade" is the primary spelling. Since we haven't come to an agreement on the spelling of "facade" yet, I have temporarily undonethis edit for now. Please don't restore it until there's a consensus to use that spelling. –Epicgenius (talk)23:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Capmo, regarding your edit summary here that"consensus was already reached at façade, we don't need another one", yes, we do need a separate consensus for this article. There was neverany consensus onTalk:Façade that the variant with the cedilla should be used on all articles. That consensus only concerns the title ofthat particular article.
None of the participants had this article in mind when they decided on that consensus. Therefore, please stopedit warring to enforce one specific spelling over another. –Epicgenius (talk)18:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't realize this before, but the aforementioned RM actually closed asno consensus, not with aconsensus tonot move. As such, there seems to be even less of an argument to keep the "façade" spelling on this page, even if the argument that "the consensus of the RM dictates the spelling on this page" is valid. –Epicgenius (talk)19:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gertrude_Rhinelander_Waldo_House&oldid=1234139899"
Categories:

[8]ページ先頭

©2009-2025 Movatter.jp