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Nietzsche's "aristocratic radicalism" and "paganism"
As far as I know, Nietzsche had approved of Georg Brandes' categorization of his thought as"aristocratic radicalism" (Letter to Georg Brandes – December 2nd 1887, see below), and hasn't contested polytheism and paganism - or even on the reversecalled himself a pagan - or at least claimed it - (The Will to Power - 1034) andpraised polytheism - or at least what he saw it to be (The Gay Science - 143).
- "Of Brandes' description of his philosophy, Nietzsche himself remarked:"The expression 'aristocratic radicalism', which you employ, is very good. It is, permit me to say, the cleverest thing that I have yet read about myself"."
- "We, many or few, who once more dare to live in a world purged of morality,we pagans in faith, we are probably also the first who understand what a pagan faith is: to be obliged to imagine higher creatures than man, but to imagine them beyond good and evil; to be compelled to value all higher existence as immoral existence.We believe in Olympus, and not in the "man on the cross.""
- "The Greatest Utility of Polytheism... In polytheism man’s free-thinking and many-sided thinking had a prototype set up: the power to create for himself new and individual eyes, always newer and more individualised: so that it is for man alone, of all the animals, that there are no eternal horizons and perspectives."
Hello. To clarify, I'm not disputing whether he labelled himself as such. The first sentence is for what the subject is notable for (perMOS:FIRSTBIO). Notability is determined through secondary sources. If you have reliable secondary sources about the categorization of his philosophy, you can add content about it in thephilosophy section. Alternatively you can add content toPhilosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche as well. Keep in mind that we cannot analyze primary sources ourselves perWP:PST and that there are different opinions in secondary sources.StephenMacky1 (talk)16:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to propose the following additions to the philosophy section of Nietzsche's article:
"Aristocratic Radicalism"
Nietzsche explicitly approved Georg Brandes' characterization of his philosophy as "aristocratic radicalism." This can be cited with Brandes’ analysis and Nietzsche's letter to Brandes dated December 2, 1887, as noted by secondary sources such as [Insert secondary source].
Proposed text:
"Nietzsche endorsed Georg Brandes' description of his philosophy as 'aristocratic radicalism,' calling it 'the cleverest thing that I have yet read about myself' in a letter dated December 2, 1887."
"Paganism"
Nietzsche referred to himself as a "pagan" in The Will to Power (1034) and praised polytheism in The Gay Science (143). Secondary sources discuss Nietzsche’s self-identification and his admiration for polytheistic systems as a framework for individual freedom and creativity, e.g., [Insert secondary source].
Proposed text:
"Nietzsche described himself and his followers as 'pagans in faith,' who live 'in a world purged of morality.' He praised polytheism for its capacity to encourage free-thinking and individual perspectives, contrasting it with monotheistic faiths."
These additions aim to clarify important aspects of Nietzsche’s philosophy, supported by reliable secondary sources. I welcome feedback on the phrasing and placement of these points.YitzhakEybeschutz (talk)23:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to propose the following additions to the philosophy section of Nietzsche's article:
"Aristocratic Radicalism"
Nietzsche explicitly approved Georg Brandes' characterization of his philosophy as "aristocratic radicalism." This can be cited with Brandes’ analysis and Nietzsche's letter to Brandes dated December 2, 1887, as noted by secondary sources such as [Insert secondary source].
Proposed text:
"Nietzsche endorsed Georg Brandes' description of his philosophy as 'aristocratic radicalism,' calling it 'the cleverest thing that I have yet read about myself' in a letter dated December 2, 1887."
"Paganism"
Nietzsche referred to himself as a "pagan" in The Will to Power (1034) and praised polytheism in The Gay Science (143). Secondary sources discuss Nietzsche’s self-identification and his admiration for polytheistic systems as a framework for individual freedom and creativity, e.g., [Insert secondary source].
Proposed text:
"Nietzsche described himself and his followers as 'pagans in faith,' who live 'in a world purged of morality.' He praised polytheism for its capacity to encourage free-thinking and individual perspectives, contrasting it with monotheistic faiths."
These additions aim to clarify important aspects of Nietzsche’s philosophy, supported by reliable secondary sources. I welcome feedback on the phrasing and placement of these points.YitzhakEybeschutz (talk)09:25, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The lead is missing a "the" in "one of the," yet more importantly while Nietzsche is certainly extremely influential and popular, there's too much repetition in the lead, of influential--which is unsurprising. It's said twice in the latter sentence that mentions it, but was already said in that preceding sentence that has been in place much longer.Cdg1072 (talk)14:55, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The first lines of the lead have shifted several times over the years, as readers of the article have contended with what labels should describe Nietzsche in his overall career. "Poet" and "composer" were at one point removed, and "prose poet" had its time until it was rejected. These periodic shifts are hardly avoidable, and it may happen that we see the first lead sentence "scrubbed" yet again sometime.Cdg1072 (talk)20:03, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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