Talk:Francis of Assisi
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The problems with this "biography" are so many and so serious that I don't know where to begin. First, the "scholarly" literature on which it is based is of no historical value whatsoever. It consists mostly of an ancient on-line encyclopedia article (Ignatius Brady), a popular spiritual interpretation by a non-historian (Chesterton), a pious collection of saints lives published in 1950 (Engelbert), and the 1910 online Catholic Encyclopedia.
The bibliography, however, lists soem of the good recent scholarship (along with a lot of pious junk). Someone needs to get a copy of Thompson's _Francis of Assisi: A New Biography (Cornell UP), probably the best historical reconstruction available, and rewrite the whole seciton.— Precedingunsigned comment added by67.239.64.253 (talk)20:11, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I refer to this edit: 07:22, 29 May 2021 Melchior2006 talk contribs 67,891 bytes −961 →Further reading: obscure works deleted, also the medieval references, because the bibliographic info was insufficient (also overspecialized)Some of the books that Melchior2006 deleted are written in Latin or Italian, and I understand their deletion. But two of the books that Melchior2006 deleted, which I had added on 12 April 2021, are written in English and purchased by me in bookstores in the U.S. in recent years. What makes them obscure, and why is obscurity a reason for deletion? Some readers of Wikipedia may be familiar with the popular books on St. Francis and would appreciate knowing of more obscure ones. The two books I added that Melchior2006 deleted are *The Little Flowers of Saint Francis of Assisi (Translated by H.E. Manning), Old Saybrook, CT: Konecky & Konecky, 2005.ISBN 1-56852-559-1 and * Timothy Verdun,The Story of St. Francis of Assisi: In Twenty-Eight Scenes, Brewster, MA: Paraclete Press, 2015.ISBN 978-1-61261-685-8. I haven't put them back in "Further Reading," because, if I did, I wouldn't have the space in my explanation for what I have just written. But, unless someone replies in the next few days and persuades me not to put them back, I will do so and will refer to these comments as my explanation for why I put them back.Maurice Magnus (talk)18:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The current WP article says:{{While he was praying on the mountain of Verna, during a forty-day fast in preparation for Michaelmas (29 September), Francis is said to have had a vision on or about 13 September 1224, the Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross, as a result of which he received the stigmata.}}But the feast of Francis' stigmatization is celebrated on September17 of each year. This is said at the top of the WP article (other source:Vatican News).
So, it has to be corrected. The Italian WP says that Bonaventure of Bagnoregio ( Legenda maior XIII 3,2) reported 17 September 1224 as the correct date of stigmatization. And the tradition, which celebrates this event on 17 September, tells the same. We have no other elements to affirm stigmatization happened in a different day.
Accord to the available sources, it happened three days after the feast of the Exaltation of the Cross, during a 40-days fasting period in preparation of Michaelmas.Gigiomi81 (talk)09:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
everybody knows him as Saint Francis. moreover you don't risk mixing him with other people, books or movies~2025-37425-41 (talk)17:28, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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