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I will add some graphs of gamma dose rate vs. time for the chernobyl fallout soon, the calcs. will be for a person in the open, and for a person with either 10 cm, 20 cm or 30 cm of concrete to protect them.
When/if I get the time, I might add a set of calcs. for A-bomb fallout. These will be more complex as more isotopes will be present. --Cadmium—The preceding comment was added on 16:12, 19 February 2006.
I have added the diagrams, someone might want to improve the formatting of the diagrams to make them look nicer. I will try and repeat this set of calculation for A-bomb fallout (in the words of Captn. Oates 'I may be some time')Cadmium10:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Have added some up-to-date info re Swiss fall out shelters I have seen whilst living there.194.153.179.15611:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
-- Hey, what's the deal with the sup numbers in this article not existing? Did somebody cut-and-paste from another article?Wikijimmy02:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)wikijimmy[reply]
Might add some mention of theArk Two Shelter as an example of a fallout shelter.Sherurcij(Speaker for the Dead)16:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone explain 20cm offers better protection than 30cm in the first 10 days or so?—The precedingunsigned comment was added by86.132.122.135 (talk)10:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
How come the article says that unfiltered air is safe, while the falllout article states fallout is "composed of particles from less than 100 nm to several millimeters in diameter", having <um particles blowing into the shelter and breathing them in doesn't sound too healthy, even when they try to justify it by comparing it to the danger of larger particles.2001:8003:213F:D000:1C87:35F3:6D20:153A (talk)19:00, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In the article on radiation poisoning, it is stated that gamma rays can scatter off of dense materials and that the entrances to fallout shelters should therefore incorporate multiple 90-degree turns. Here, it is implied that this is not the case, as a single right-angle entrance is deemed sufficient to prevent gamma ray scattering into the shelter. Clarification?128.12.137.240
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US Citizens have the right to install fallout shelters under the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. US Citizens are granted the right to bear arms in order to provide protection during life-threatening events. The fall-out shelter legally falls under this provision in the defensive sense. All Americans are guaranteed the right to protect themselves from chemical, nuclear, biological and other forms of attacks foreign and domestic.
Some form of this provision should be included in the article as it is pertinent to US Citizens. I would be more than willing to insert it, however I would like to know where you would prefer it to be inserted and I would like prior discussion regarding this before insertion into article mainframe. --216.229.227.141 (talk)15:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Has anyone considered building or using fallout shelters to protect against radiation fromnuclear meltdowns?198.151.130.69 (talk) 17:56, 21 March 2011 (UTC)yes—Precedingunsigned comment added by75.90.128.58 (talk)05:56, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that in the history-section of this page there is some extensive writing on how the fallout-shelters are built and operated in Switzerland.
We have had (and some still apply) very similar rules here in Sweden (we have around 65000 big shelters, and 7 million smaller. With a population of 9 000 000.).
Should we create a new section? Like a list of countries - else it will be a very strange history section with some perhaps irrelevant information for the reader.
Also. Fallout-shelters, bomb-shelter and air-raid-shelters are all very similar, at least in some countries. They are quite seldom purpose built just for nuclear fallout - but to withstand bomb blasts and other types of attacks too.
I think that we should find a common subject for these. Currently it can be very difficult to search and gather information on each subject - most of them aren't even linked. For instance, the subjectbomb shelter is lacking to say the least, and doesn't even contain a "read more" section, which should link tofallout shelter.
Thoughts?— Precedingunsigned comment added bySwekitsune (talk •contribs)16:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can we get clarification on the sentence stating that fallout shelters in Sweden can "withstand a blast from a 50 megaton explosion at a distance of 700 metres"? The only bomb ever tested that large was theTsar Bomba, but it was so large it wasn't considered for actual use in warfare. That, and if it exploded 700 meters from you, it wouldn't exactly matter what you were in. I think we're missing some zeros, and a citation. Thanks.— Precedingunsigned comment added by67.251.127.250 (talk)04:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am considering removing:
... on the grounds that: it's unsourced; it'sWP:SYNTH (at best) and/orWP:OR; it's not particularly helpful to the casual reader of an article on fallout shelters; it's probably what's making the article "too technical for most readers to understand"; and it'd be more in place atNuclear fallout than here. Thoughts?Mysterious Whisper(SHOUT)17:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Like this.Mysterious Whisper(SHOUT)19:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just to explain my edit:
The article history shows that the text in question was originally written as one paragraph, all referring to Switzerland. To avoid repeating the name of the country, the phrase "this nation" was used in one of the sentences. At some point, the paragraph was split into two, with the second now starting "This nation has...". Later,this edit (in good faith, but erroneously) assumed "This nation" meant the USA, and replaced it. I have changed it back, and also recombined the two paragraphs so that we have one about Switzerland and one about Finland.93.97.184.230 (talk)21:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The specification for a Swiss shelter saying that it must be able to survive a 50 megaton burst within 700 meters cannot be correct as the shelter would be within the crater or fireball of such a large bomb. There have never been any weapons of this size deployed, although one was tested. The specification must be for a 50 kiloton bomb or just maybe a 500 kiloton bomb.— Precedingunsigned comment added by87.114.132.120 (talk)09:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
80.218.217.7 (talk)15:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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