Talk:Deccani language
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Sure...Dakkhini & Dakhani are one & the same ... but Hyderabadi Urdu mau be merged with Urdu.
Hyderabadi Urdu should be merged with Urdu -- Hyderabadi Urdu is a dialect of Urdu and this information should be listed under the "Dialects" section of Urdu.
Dieresis15:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)All languages are dialects. The question is how to treat two dialects that are distinct but also closely related. How closely are they related and how does the distance between them compare to other sets of related dialects? Whether or not the articles are merged, it is important to recognize that these two dialects are linguistically distinct. For example, Hyderabadi Urdu speakers pronounceق as خ and northern Urdu speakers find this practice passing strange.[reply]
Hyderabadi Urdu definitely has its place in history. In fact in the evolution and development of Urdu Hyderabadi Urdu has played a major role. It has its unique place and unique literature that is distinguishable and distinguished. I would state in the nature of Hyderabadi Urdu grammar the distinction of male and female verb ending has taken the same form. For example both male and female would say "Main kha'na' kha raha'hun." My humble opinion is to enrich the page further rather than merging it.Thanks.--Omer Farook01:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am a native speaker of Dakhni from Chennai. I believe that Hyderabadi Urdu can be a sub dialect (if such a thing exists) of Dakhni. There are a lot of differences between Dakhni spoken in various states. They have absorbed the characteristics of their native states. Therefore, I am in agreement with Omer that this article must be maintained and not be merged with Hyderabadi Urdu.Thanks,--Afroze.sahib (talk)01:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dakhni is actually dialect of Dakhini which people of Karnataka speak.
Hyderabadis speak a dialect called Dakani (pronounced daccani)
This language has got nothing to do with Urdu.
In fact Urdu is actually a dialect of DakhiniKizznyc (talk)08:20, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A scentence in the third parapraph says "Dakhini is the lingua franca of the Muslims of South India". This is clearly wrong. How about changing this to something that refers to the geographies where Dakhini is spoken ? The muslims of Southern Tamil Nadu, the Muslims of Malabar, all spoke different languages than Dakhini. --Sudarshanhs20:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dieresis10:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC) I agree. This language may be spoken in various places, but I don't think most South Indian Muslims speak it.[reply]
--Afroze.sahib (talk) 00:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC) Most of the muslims in Kerala speak Malayalam and Tamil is still the majority language among muslims in Tamilnadu. So, it is false to claim that Dakhni Urdu is the lingua franca of South Indian muslims. However, it must be noted that Dakhni is the only language spoken acrossTamilnadu,Andhra Pradesh andKarnataka.There are urdu words in dakhni but this does not mean it should be merged.—Precedingunsigned comment added byMma200us (talk •contribs)00:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bangalori Urdu is totally different. It's never recommended to be merged with dakhni urdu or hyderabadi urdu. Similar to Hyderabadi Urdu, it also has its own terms such as Sabaa (or) Sabaan for tomorrow. Many such words they use when talking with each other. It would be nice to see a page with its terms in a different page, If you want, I can collect it for you.—Precedingunsigned comment added byHakeemhere (talk •contribs)13:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I dont think it shuould be merged. I am from TN and the URDU we speak is 40% different from Hyderabdi URDU which is a little more refined than Dhakni though not as refined as Lucknowi URDU.—Precedingunsigned comment added by83.142.92.201 (talk)17:12, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We can collectively say that Dakhini is an ethnic group, and there are some non-muslims as well.Kizznyc (talk)07:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's changed to Dakhini Muslims nowKizznyc (talk)07:52, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have a lot of knowledge of my Dakhini ethnicity and a high IQ please advise because only through people can we remove the misunderstanding that we speak Urdu.Kizznyc (talk)07:52, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are there statistics that can be added here?MrZaiustalk04:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm hoping that happens but until Government of India considers south speakers to be speaking Urdu which is a mistake we cannot have any censusKizznyc (talk)07:50, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I Don't agree of merger. It has been suggested by some one to merge the articleUrdu in Aurangabad with Dakhni. May i know the reason for the same ? As without giving any reasons one cannot effect a merger.IXU79 (talk)09:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't Merge. The article specifically relates to the city of Aurangabad. Therefore needs a seprate identity.Fuwad ca (talk)16:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Read what I have added about Wali Deccani. I admit although he was single handedly responsible for the modern Dakhini, the old Dakhini which is seen in Kadam Rao Padam Rao and Kitab E Nawras goes to show Dakhini is not of AurangabadKizznyc (talk)07:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly guy's need lot of homework to be done for this article, though there are many forms of deccani spoken in the region. It all need to be covered in this article. Well hope for the best and make it possible.--Omer123hussain (talk)08:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have made quite significant changes but I don't know how to put it in which section please modify as you see fit.Kizznyc (talk)07:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone through a lot of trouble asking my grandparents and elders and edited from a phone and not saved the text anywhere.
If you delete my edits when they are accurate how is it fair?
Please don't do that anonymous personKizznyc (talk)08:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The article both claims that Deccani is a transplanted variety of Dehlavi and that it's an independent language. It goes back and forth between these two contradictory claims. I don't know if there's more than one Deccani, or if sources disagree on its ancestry, but this should be cleared up. —kwami (talk)08:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was only after Wali, a poet of Dakhini, arrived in Delhi that Hindustani began to develop as a literary language in the North. Wali used what is known as Rekhta/Hindi and showed that it was capable of great poetry. Rekhta means 'scattered' and implies that it had not yet so much been Persianized as happened later. It is known as the earliest form of Urdu-Hindustani poetical speech. Urdu as a language name occurs for the first time in 1776 in a couplet by the poet Mashafi (1750—1824). However, the use of Urdu referring to camp, court, or city (Zaban-e-Urdu or Zaban-e-Urdu-e-Shahi or Zaban-e-Urdu-e-Mualla) had been current since 1560.[1]
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Thanks to both of you. I'll try to fix it up in the next day or two, unless one of you gets to it first. —kwami (talk)11:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I split off theDeccan language article, though I'm not sure it's a distinct language. —kwami (talk)07:12, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kwamikagami, please checkthis edit. --Kautilya3 (talk)08:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
HiOmer123hussain. I reverted your recent edits for the following reasons:
1. The relationship between Banda Nawaz (Gesu Daraz) and Dakhini is dubious, it seems like some works like the Miraj-al Ashiqin may be misattributed to him. This is discussed in Digby pg 334 and Shaheed & Shahid pg 99. Both these sources are used in the Deccani article.
2. From the sources both you and I have provided it doesn't seem evident that the Bahmanis patronised Deccani. Deccani may have grown during their rule due to Sufis but it appears Persian was the language the court favoured the most. This is why I felt mentioning one of the Bahmani rulers by name was unnecessary.
Open to discussion on this, thanks.Gowhk8 (talk)19:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative names for Deccani Urdu should be a new section as this will just complicate the main page. All Deccani speakers call their language Urdu.Kyahaiki (talk)04:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
