Talk:Crozier
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Very poor. Lots of exact repetition.— Precedingunsigned comment added by82.68.94.86 (talk)16:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
'The term derives from theOld English wordcrycc, meaning "crutch."'
Not really. It's related tocrycc, which is also related to the modern word "cross" as well as "crutch" - hence, the medieval Crutched Friars (who wore crosses on their habits) and the oath "Christ on a crutch!", which originally referred to the crucifixion, not Jesus limping around on a modern crutch.Benami19:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Christianity just adopted it like fe. it adopted the topos of thegood shepherd, theinborn son (also a title ofDionysos - literally meaningthe twice borne one) or the title of the catholic pope as pontifex maximus (highest bridgebilder, a former title of roman emporers) etc. In catholic tradition and inlatin language the crosier is called lituus. And the lituus originally refers to a shepherds crook, of course now in a new context. The spiritual dignitaries and officeholders beeing the shepherds (pastors) of their flock... err, fold. Its as simple as that. --77.116.246.13 (talk)03:33, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Any evidence that the crosier bears any historic relation to Egyptian scepters? The reference cited doesn't seem to be authoritative (or remotely related to either crosiers or Egyptian scepters), and the claim seems like a post hoc.— Precedingunsigned comment added by66.254.251.67 (talk)16:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit surprised to see that there isn't a mention of the crosier being descended from the lituus in the lead. Or for that matter, such a brief mention. In ecclesiastic Latin, the proper term for it is "littus episcopi". It's not simply speculative; there's extensive documentation of it, as there is for the majority of vestments and liturgical implements (being co-opted, that is).Quinto Simmaco (talk)13:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Piers Compton dedicated afree e-book to the particular and non-Christian shape of the crosier of Pope Paul VI and all his successors.— Precedingunsigned comment added by82.56.59.207 (talk)20:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the move request was:moved.(closed by non-admin page mover) –Hilst[talk]11:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Crosier →Crozier (currently a redirect) – While both spellings are in use for these items, every single WP article about a specific cros/zier uses the spelling "crozier" (e.g.,Clonmacnoise Crozier,St. Columba’s Crozier). So too doesCategory:Croziers, its subcategoryCategory:Insular croziers, and the articleInsular crozier. This article itself uses both terms at different points of the text. Also, ghits for "crozier" outnumber those for "crosier" by a factor of about 7 to 1.Grutness...wha?10:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
