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Featured articleClown (Mariah Carey song) is afeatured article; it (or a previous version of it) has beenidentified as one of the best articles produced by theWikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it,please do so.
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June 26, 2023Good article nomineeListed
September 29, 2023Featured article candidatePromoted
Did You Know
Afact from this article appeared on Wikipedia'sMain Page in the"Did you know?" column onJuly 10, 2023.
The text of the entry was:Did you know ... that "Clown" is ananswer song in whichMariah Carey responds toEminem's comments about their relationship in "Superman"?
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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such asthis nomination's talk page,the article's talk page orWikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page.No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was:promoted byEdge3 (talk19:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Created byHeartfox (talk). Self-nominated at20:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nomwill be logged atTemplate talk:Did you know nominations/Clown (Mariah Carey song); considerwatching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

New enough, long enough. Hook short enough and sourced (as is every paragraph). No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. Appears to be your second DYK; you get three further credits. Good to go.--Launchballer11:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer:MaranoFan (talk·contribs)13:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this article against the good article criteria soon.--NØ13:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer:Ippantekina (talk·contribs)04:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (seehere for what the criteria are, andhere for what they are not)

  1. It isreasonably well written.
    a.(prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b.(MoS forlead,layout,word choice,fiction, andlists):
  2. It isfactually accurate andverifiable.
    a.(reference section):
    b.(citations toreliable sources):
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    d.(copyvio andplagiarism):
  3. It isbroad in its coverage.
    a.(major aspects):
    b.(focused):
  4. It follows theneutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It isstable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated byimages and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a.(images are tagged and non-free content havenon-free use rationales):
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@Heartfox:@MaranoFan: I am seeing that there is an activeGAN opened since May. Might you please explain?Ippantekina (talk)04:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There were no comments in two weeks so I closed it as perWP:GAN/I#N4a.Heartfox (talk)15:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Overall a well-written article, but I do have a few suggestions re the prose:

  • "Clown" is an answer song that addresses comments rapper Eminem made about her in the media and on The Eminem Show (2002) track "Superman" → "Clown" is an answer song to the comments that rapper Eminem made about Carey in the media and on the 2022 track "Superman"
    • Done
  • and "The Night I Fell in Love" by the Pet Shop Boys → the Pet Shop Boys' "The Night I Feel in Love" to make it consistent
    • Done
  • Also consider adding release years to the said songs
    • Added
  • "Carey performed "Clown" in a circus-themed segment during the 2003–2004 Charmbracelet World Tour while two puppeteers controlled an Eminem look-alike on stage." → On the Charmbracelet World Tour, Carey performed... while...
    • Done
  • "while promoting the project" → promoting the album
    • Done
  • "It features background vocals by Carey and Trey Lorenz" → The song features
    • Done
  • I wouldn't cite the lyrics from the booklet (WP:NOTLYRICS) unless they were quoted and discussed by the scholarly sources/reviews
    • I cut down on the lyrics
  • "a worthy exception to the album's formula" any more context as to what "formula" means here?
    • Added a note and changed "formula" to "theme"
  • Not sure if "juxtaposed with" is the right wording... I'd just use "compared to"
    • Done
  • Rest of prose looks good! Kudos to the scholarly sources that you found :)Ippantekina (talk)08:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the very helpful comments,Ippantekina.Heartfox (talk)18:09, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work,Heartfox. I did a quick spotcheck and no issues turned out. Sourcing is appropriately formatted. The article looks ready for a GA :) Passing--Ippantekina (talk)07:12, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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