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Last sentence in first paragraph makes a note regarding the historicity of the patriarchal narratives. Similar comments are made in other related entries. Concern is with the word "most". The language leads the reader to believe that a comprehensive survey of Historians was performed and the conclusion is that at least 51% of them hold this opinion.
Propose changing this word to "many," where the citations are some of those historians who support this view.
Even better would be a brief section (or link) to a survey of academic views regarding the historicity of the patriarchs and the patriarchal narratives.Trawls-nit (talk)17:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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You need to change the phrase 'Israeli settlers' to 'Israelis' as this is bias.2A02:C7C:6B46:9000:5D1B:8725:74CA:E8C7 (talk)00:31, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a"change X to Y" format and provide areliable source if appropriate. also, how so?Cannolis (talk)01:47, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply] | Thisedit request has been answered. Set the|answered= parameter tono to reactivate your request. |
change the quotations marks in the "what was called "profanation of the Quran"" to "there was profanation of the Quran". The passive language before this sentence "a Quran was torn" is also biased, it should be "They (whoever did it) ripped a Qur'an", as the first passive use implies it "just happened" but it was a deliberate hurtful act.154.192.156.79 (talk)09:49, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Change: According to the Abrahamic religions, the cave and adjoining field were purchased by Abraham as a burial plot, although most historians believe the Abraham-Isaac-Jacob narrative to be primarily mythological. To: In the Abrahamic religions, Abraham is said to have purchased the Cave of Machpelah as a burial site for his family. However, many modern scholars regard the patriarchal narratives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as primarily legendary rather than strictly historical. [4]Dctrrobin (talk)11:44, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Description of suggested change:
Section History / Israeli Control should be expanded by including the following sentence. This reflects the new developments related to the status of the Cave of Patriarchs as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
[Exact placement in paragraph starting with "On 21 February 2010...occupied Palestinian Territories.[65]"
"In 2017, the State of Palestine nominated the Old Town of Hebron, including the Cave of the Patriarchs (Ibrahimi Mosque), for UNESCO World Heritage status, highlighting its historical and religious significance as part of Palestinian heritage.(UNESCO, 2017) The International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS) reviewed the nomination, noting the site’s importance but also voicing concerns about the politicized context, including its inability to obtain access to the area under Israeli control, and the need for a more inclusive, balanced representation of its multi-religious history - as the submission primarily focussed on the post-Mamluk period.ICOMOS, 2017
The World Heritage Committee debated the nomination during its 41st session in Kraków, Poland. After a secret ballot—12 in favor, 3 against, 6 abstentions—the site was inscribed under the State of Palestine (UNESCO, 2017). Simultaneously, due to ongoing threats from conflict and access restrictions, the site was placed on the List of World Heritage in Danger (UNESCO, 2017).
The decision was polarizing: Israel condemned it as politicized and dismissive of Jewish heritage, while Palestinian authorities welcomed the recognition (BBC, 2017). The site remained on the endangered list through 2025, with UNESCO monitoring its condition and urging cooperation for its preservation (UNESCO data, last accessed November 2025).
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a"change X to Y" format and provide areliable source if appropriate.NotJamestack (talk)20:21, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply] Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a"change X to Y" format and provide areliable source if appropriate.Happy editing.Slomo666 (talk)22:24, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Ammend 'In 1994, the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre occurred at the Ibrahimi Mosque, in which an armedIsraeli settler'
Description of suggested change:
'Israeli Settler' lacks proper context and in depth explanation for readers. Instead, it should link directly toBaruch Goldstein.
Rewritten example:
'In 1994, the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre occurred at the Ibrahimi Mosque, in whichBaruch Goldstein entered the complex during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan and opened fire on Palestinian Muslims who had gathered to pray at the site, killing 29 people, including children, and wounding over 125.'
Not done: Identifying Goldstein as an Israeli settler in fact provides more context for readers on who committed the massacre. He is identified by name later in the article.Day Creature (talk)15:51, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]The lead of a WP article is supposed to be an relatively brief overview of material, rather than detail. And anything in that overview should then also be present, and in more depth, in the body of the article.
In its [currrent state] the lead has two long paragraphs covering 1967 to 1994During the Six-Day War of 1967,... to...and wounding over 125. Yet much of that material is not then even mentioned in the main article.
I propose that those two paragraphs be moved into the section "Israeli control" (+/- copyediting). Perhaps (or perhaps not) a brief summary might remain in the lead.
Feline Hymnic (talk)15:24, 2 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
It’s worth mentioning that in Genesis 49: 29-32 Jacob says he also buried his first wife Leah in the cave at Machpelah.~2026-51462-0 (talk)02:01, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
