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I'm open to it, and the description of "boys-own looking" is quite correct. But it's better for someone to bring forward a specific alternative which we can use under the policies and directly compare the current picture to.JArthur1984 (talk)13:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should change it back to a battle in accordance with what most war pages do since a map does not exist. I don't understand why we want to "change it to show more actual focus on the rebellion aspect" whenBoxer movement exists. The Boxer Rebellion is not understood as a movement but as a war or intervention. I believe we should change it back.ReidLark1n (talk)13:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support making a four-quadrant infobox as a compromise with the 3 old infoxbox images plus the current one (even though it's already inBoxer movement where I personally believe it belongs). That should correct the issue raised byParsecboy about the infobox being too long. However we need to getJArthur1984 on board since they've reverted changes to the current image which they changed it to.JArthur1984 would you support the old infobox in four-quadrants with yourBoxer movement picture?ReidLark1n (talk)16:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Siege of the Legations in Peking * Battle of Tientsin * Battle at Beijing Castle * Boxer Rebellion painting * Boxers in China * allied artillery
Date
1899–1901
Location
Northern China
Result
Allied victory
Belligerents
Eight-Nation Alliance
Boxers
I think this could work, I mean the top 4 are all the same style (maybe crop out the description in picture 3) but other than that they all go together. Same thing with the two pictures, they both look good together. This is just an idea, but I think it would look good. I also think the boxer Rebellion can easily get 6 pictures in there info-box.
No infobox has to have multiple images. We should have an infobox that fulfills its purpose (key facts at a glance), and multiple images should only be entertained if they do not interfere with that, A mosaic of small color blobs would interfere in this way.Remsense诉20:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will repeat myself: we do not have to have more than one image; it is more important that the images we present are legible.Remsense诉20:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, referring to the above discussion, we came to an agreement that a 4 quadrant infobox was justified and probably necessary to strike a balance between "western-centric" depictions and ones which accurately depict the movement underlying the war. However, there is a distinct difference betweenwho the Boxers were and theconflict itself.
Moreover, we need to keep in mind that theBoxer Rebellion involved numerous countries and their depictions of the conflict will inform a viewer's first impression and understanding of the page.
As it stands, and where I agree withLuxembourgLover, an image simply depicting theThe Boxers does not do this page justice. We are currentlyover simplifying the infobox which is not its purpose. Let's get back to designing a four quadrant infobox which strikes a balance betweenover simplification andover complication if you are ok with thatRemsense. If not, let's discuss the issue with a multipolar depiction beyond that "we do not have to have more than one image" when there is a clear expression and agreement that more than one image would enhance the page.
As a proposal to get this started, how about four quadrants - one with a Japanese depiction, one picture of the Boxers, the siege of Tientsin, and another picture depicting the Boxers or allied troops?ReidLark1n (talk)13:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As long as they're all legible I am not opposed to having four images, but I do not agree that the present state is untenable or oversimplified.Remsense ‥ 诉13:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad we're in agreement! I would design the infobox myself but I am sure someone else can do a better job.
I don't think the current state is untenable but the depiction of the Boxers also isn't great. It looks like a scan from somebody's photo album since the image appears it was cut and pasted from the look of the upper border. The numerous artist illustrations depicting the war should be legible.ReidLark1n (talk)13:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the current state is a concern nor see it as oversimplified though I am happy with the proposed four picture approach representing a variety of belligerents. I am however a strong proponent of using photographs for this, as opposed to illustrations. Going back to the comment of IP who kicked off this discussion in April, the Western illustrations can be more than a bitBoy's Own, which is to say - the fanciful glory and adventure of war. I'm thinking of the Siege of the Legations illustration when I say this, have to say the other illustrations aren't quite legible to me in the six picture format. Sticking to photographs is better.JArthur1984 (talk)13:38, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that one is good too, but could do with a crop., This is a good start (tried to do some very rudimentary observation of therule of thirds) but may require another iteration to show up properly in a crowded infobox.Remsense ‥ 诉17:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps maybe this image could work. It's a collage with elements of both the Western Intervention and the Boxer Movement.
I think it would be an economical solution to include two images: one in the vein of the present image illustrating the rebellion as such, and one illustrating the Western intervention. Does that sound viable?Remsense ‥ 论21:13, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This points to a problem: the article title is "Boxer Rebellion" (though I am among those who think it should be "Boxer Uprising") not "Boxer War." So I support the quest for at least a picture that has something to do with the Boxer Rebellion or Uprising. Maybe a map?ch (talk)
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