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Former good articleBattle of Ridgefield was one of theWarfare good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet thegood article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can berenominated. Editors may also seek areassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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The text of the entry was:Did you know ... that during theBattle of Ridgefield in April 1777,Benedict Arnold escaped unharmed after being pinned to the ground when his horse was shot?
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No mention of Wilton?

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Several homes were looted and set on fire inWilton too, Why is this not mentioned?-Kieran207 (talk)18:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Victory or aftermath

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Although Tryon's raid on Danbury and actions in Ridgefield were tactical British successes, the resistance by American forces and a consequent rise in American military enrollments in the area deterred the British from ever again attempting a landing by ship to attack inland colonial strongholds during the war.

Conclusion: 1. British victory. 2. Tactical, since its results were limited to the battle itself.Creuzbourg (talk)11:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The MOS is very clear that there shouldn't be nuance. Adding "tactical" to the infobox is exactly that. the statement above may be sourced but it's a pretty low quality one that doesn't state anything about tactical success. The above statement isWP:SYNTH and not in the source - of which this is a paraphrase that's very close toWP:COPYVIO— Precedingunsigned comment added byTarletonic (talkcontribs)11:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All of your statements are based on your interpretation of the rules. Some of them rather far-fetched. I do not know what copyright violation and own reserach has to to with this. The infobox is based on the text in the article. The Brits won. If you do not liketactical victory, then it should beBritish victory. See the rule book:The term used is for the "immediate" outcome of the "subject" conflict and should reflect what the sources say.Creuzbourg (talk)11:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy with British victory since it clearly was. The text of this article was amended to include tactical in this sentence at some point without adding a source. The Ridgefield article is clearly a copy of material from this article in 2010 with edits made for colour - compare the text herehttps://web.archive.org/web/20100725192648/http://www.ridgefieldct.org/content/42/249/1077.aspx to the version of this article before that page was publishedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Ridgefield&action=history&dir=prev&offset=20080521031544%7C213867373Tarletonic (talk)11:50, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the interim I've updated the infobox to "British Victory" @Magicpiano You appear to have written most of this article so courtesy ping for any input you may wish to give here.Tarletonic (talk)12:00, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tarletonic If you just had explained that your objection was againsttactical instead of giving me a number of unlinked acronyms, we could have avoided all the incrimination.Creuzbourg (talk)17:28, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Creuzbourg. What incrimination? You found the policy I was referring to easily enough, and citing the MOS explains the edit perfectly adequately.Tarletonic (talk)06:38, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tarletonic I was referring to myself accusing you of bullying.Creuzbourg (talk)16:08, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well that was unnecessary wasn't it.WP:AGFTarletonic (talk)16:29, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It sure was.Creuzbourg (talk)20:10, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio or backwards copy ??

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  1. May 19, 2008 edit
    Earliest archive.org version of source cited at GA version
  2. May 20, 2008 edit extremely well written, likely also cut-and-paste
  3. More onMay 21, 2008

Leaning towards cut-and-paste copyvio rather than backwards copy, because in another article around the same era, the same editor clearly was cut-and-pasting:

The same editor has multiple large edits that also look to be cut-and-paste, but sources cited can't be found in archive.orgSandyGeorgia (Talk)03:13, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever the resolution of this, I just wanted to point out that significant sections (mainly under the Background and Danbury headers) ofthe version that passed GA contain text that was mostly written by me, which should still be usable. (A cursory examination shows that that version also contains text that is part of the above allegation, including portions of the main battle description, so fixing this would not be entirely trivial.) I do not have the bandwidth to take on fixing this.Magic♪piano14:37, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with all you've stated, which is why I listed this at the copyvio noticeboard ... I just don't know how to go about fixing this, since that editor popped in a lot of what looks like cut-and-paste. Need advice from copyvio admins, because fixing Erskine is even worse, and a CCI on that editor may be needed.SandyGeorgia (Talk)18:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've put back much of these sections. One has to be pragmatic about copyright cleanup. I won't revdel in case someone wants to bring back more non-copied content.MER-C20:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So who was the British general in charge again?

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The History section begins by referencing "a British force under the command of the Royal Governor of the Province of New York, Major General William Tryon", but in the info box under Commanders and Leaders, the top general listed is a General "Carl Tyron", which I think is incorrect, since "William Tryon" was a real person. I don't feel comfortable fixing this; could someone else please do it? Thanks.76.236.220.28 (talk)19:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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