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Family and religious background
Q1: Why isn't Barack Obama's Muslim heritage or education included in this article?
A1: Barack Obama was never a practitioner of Islam. His biological father having been "raised as a Muslim" but being a "confirmed atheist" by the time Obama was born is mentioned in the article. Please seethis article on Snopes.com for a fairly in-depth debunking of the myth that Obama is Muslim. Barack Obama did not attend an Islamic or Muslim school while living in Indonesia age 6–10, but Roman Catholic and secular public schools. See[1],[2],[3] The sub-articlesPublic image of Barack Obama andBarack Obama religion conspiracy theories address this issue.
Q2: The article refers to him as African American, but his mother is white and his black father was not an American. Should he be called African American, or something else ("biracial", "mixed", "Kenyan-American", "mulatto", "quadroon", etc.)?
A2: Obama himself and the media identify him, the vast majority of the time, asAfrican American or black. African American is primarily defined as "citizens or residents of the United States who have origins in any of the black populations of Africa", a statement that accurately describes Obama and does not preclude or negate origins in the white populations of America as well. Thus we use the term African American in the introduction, and address the specifics of his parentage in the first headed section of the article. Many individuals who identify as black have varieties of ancestors from many countries who may identify with other racial or ethnic groups. See our article onrace for more information on this concept. We could call him the first "biracial" candidate or the first "half black half white" candidate or the first candidate with a parent born in Africa, but Wikipedia is atertiary source which reports whatother reliable sources say, and most of those other sources say "first African American". Readers will learn more detail about his ethnic background in the article body.
Q3: Why can't we use his full name outside of the lead? It's his name, isn't it?
A3:The relevant part of the Manual of Style says that outside the lead of an article on a person, that person's conventional name is the only one that's appropriate. (Thus one use of "Richard Milhous Nixon" in the lead ofRichard Nixon, "Richard Nixon" thereafter.) Talk page consensus has also established this.
Q4: Why is Obama referred to as "Barack Hussein Obama II" in the lead sentence rather than "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr."? Isn't "Jr." more common?
A4: Although "Jr." is typically used when a child shares the name of his or her parent, "II" is considered acceptable, as well. And in Obama's case, the usage on hisbirth certificate is indeed "II", and is thus the form used at the beginning of this article, permanual of style guidelines onnames.
Q5: Why don't we cover the claims that Obama is not a United States citizen, his birth certificate was forged, he was not born in Hawaii, he is ineligible to be President, etc?
A5: TheBarack Obama article consists of an overview ofmajor issues in the life and times of the subject. The controversy over his eligibility, citizenship, birth certificate etc is currently a fairly minor issue in overall terms, and has had no significant legal or mainstream political impact. It is therefore not currently appropriate for inclusion in an overview article. These claims are covered separately inBarack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories.
Controversies, praise, and criticism
Q6: Why isn't there a criticisms/controversies section?
A6: Because a section dedicated to criticisms and controversies is no more appropriate than a section dedicated solely to praise and is an indication of a poorly written article. Criticisms/controversies/praises should be worked into the existing prose of the article, per theCriticism essay.
Q7: Why isn't a certain controversy/criticism/praise included in this article?
A7: Wikipedia'sBiography of living persons policy says that "[c]riticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone." Criticism or praise that cannot bereliably sourced cannot be placed in a biography. Also, including everything about Obama in a single article would exceed Wikipedia's article size restrictions. A number of sub-articles have been created and some controversies/criticisms/praises have beensummarized here or been left out of this article altogether, but are covered in some detail in the sub-articles.
Q8: But this controversy/criticism/praise is all over the news right now! It should be covered in detail in the main article, not buried in a sub-article!
A8: Wikipedia articles should avoid givingundue weight to something just because it is in the newsright now. If you feel that the criticism/controversy/praise is not being given enough weight in this article, you can try to start a discussion on the talk page about giving it more. SeeWP:BRD.
Q9: This article needs much more (or much less) criticism/controversy.
A9: Please try toassume good faith. Like all articles on Wikipedia, this article is a work in progress so it is possible for biases to exist at any point in time. If you see a bias that you wish to address, you are more than welcome to start a new discussion, or join in an existing discussion, but please be ready to provide sources to support your viewpoint and try to keep your commentscivil. Starting off your discussion by accusing the editors of this article of having a bias is the quickest way to get your comment ignored.
Talk and article mechanics
Q10: This article is over 275kb long, and thearticle size guideline says that it should be broken up into sub-articles. Why hasn't this happened?
A10: The restriction mentioned inWP:SIZE is 60kB ofreadable prose, not the byte count you see when you open the page for editing. As of May 11, 2016, this article had about 10,570 words of readable prose (65 kB according toprosesize tool), only slightly above the guideline. The rest is mainlycitations and invisible comments, which do not count towards the limit.
Q11: I notice this FAQ mentions starting discussions or joining in on existing discussions a lot. If Wikipedia is supposed to be the encyclopediaanyone can edit, shouldn't I justbe bold and fix any biases that I see in the article?
A11: It is true that Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit and no one needs the permission of other editors of this article to make changes to it. But Wikipedia policy is that, "While the consensus process does not require posting to the discussion page, it can be useful and is encouraged." This article attracts editors that have very strong opinions about Obama (positive and negative) and these editors have different opinions about what should and should not be in the article, including differences as to appropriate level of detail. As a result of this it may be helpful, as a way to avoid content disputes, to seekconsensus before adding contentious material to or removing it from the article.
Q12: The article/talk page has been vandalized! Why hasn't anyone fixed this?
A12: Many editors watch this article, and it is unlikely that vandalism would remain unnoticed for long. It is possible that you are viewing a cached result of the article; If so, trybypassing your cache.
Q13: Why are so many discussions closed so quickly?
A13: Swift closure is common for topics that have already been discussed repeatedly, topics pushingfringe theories, and topics that would lead to violations of Wikipedia's policy concerningbiographies of living persons, because of theirdisruptive nature and the unlikelihood thatconsensus to include the material will arise from the new discussion. In those cases, editors are encouraged to read this FAQ for examples of such common topics.
Q14: I added new content to the article, but it was removed!
A14: Double-check that your content addition is not sourced to an opinion blog, editorial, or non-mainstream news source. Wikipedia's policy onbiographies of living persons states, in part, "Material about living persons must be sourced very carefully. Without reliable third-party sources, it may includeoriginal research andunverifiable statements, and could lead tolibel claims." Sources of information must be of a very high quality for biographies. While this does not result in an outright ban of all blogs and opinion pieces, most of them are regarded asquestionable. Inflammatory or potentially libelous content cited to a questionable source will be removed immediately without discussion.
Q15: I disagree with the policies and content guidelines that prevent my proposed content from being added to the article.
A15: That's understandable. Wikipedia is a work in progress. If you do not approve of a policy cited in the removal of content, it's possible to change it. Making cogent, logical arguments on the policy'stalk page is likely to result in a positive alteration. This is highly encouraged. However, this talk page is not the appropriate place to dispute the wording used in policies and guidelines. If you disagree with theinterpretation of a policy or guideline, there is also recourse:Dispute resolution. Using the dispute resolution process prevents edit wars, and is encouraged.
Q16: I saw someone start a discussion on a topic raised by a blog/opinion piece, and it was reverted!
A16: Unfortunately, due to its high profile, this talk page sees a lot of attempts to argue for policy- and guideline-violating content – sometimes the same violations many times a day. These are regarded as disruptive, as outlined above.Consensus can change; material previously determined to be unacceptable may become acceptable. But it becomes disruptive and exhausting whensingle-purpose accounts raise the same subject(s) repeatedly in the apparent hopes of overcoming significant objections by other editors. Editors have reached a consensus for dealing with this behavior:
  1. Efforts by establishedsingle-purpose accounts to introduce such poorly-sourced content will be summarily deleted.
  2. On the second such attempt, the source in question will be immediately reported tothe reliable sources noticeboard for administrative assistance.
New editors who wish to engage in discussions on previously rejected content are encouraged to ensure that their sources do not violate any of Wikipedia's policies and sourcing guidelines.
Other
Q17: Why aren't the 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns covered in more detail?
A17: They are, in sub-articles calledBarack Obama 2008 presidential campaign andBarack Obama 2012 presidential campaign. Things that are notable in the context of the presidential campaigns, but are of minimal notability to Barack Obama's overall biography, belong in the sub-articles. Campaign stops, the presidential debates, and the back-and-forth accusations and claims of the campaigns can all be found there.
Former featured articleBarack Obama is aformer featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, checkthe nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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Early life and career13,76472,7334832,593
Education29,27029,2701,0021,002
Family and personal life21,72721,727705705
Religious views7,9727,972403403
Legal career9339337171
Legislative career2328,35701,023
Illinois Senate (1997–2004)10,89810,898299299
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LGBT rights3,1819,030142331
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Economic policy21,04321,043903903
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Israel7,6587,658387387
Libya6,4446,444239239
Syrian civil war4,3084,308143143
Iran nuclear talks3,7483,748241241
Russia4,4404,440193193
Post-presidency (2017–present)21,97221,972431431
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Job approval8,9078,907308308
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WikiProject Spoken WikipediaThere is arequest, submitted byCatfurball (talk), for anaudio version of this article to be created. For further information, seeWikiProject Spoken Wikipedia.
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Did this peerson ever achieve notability in his career as an attorney.?

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The mention of him becoming a civil rights attorney is not even cited. Was he ever engaged in a notable controversy?~2025-42193-93 (talk)14:42, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes he was a civil rights attorney.[4]O3000, Ret. (talk)16:17, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but "civil rights attorney" seems to beWP:LEAD-only, at least with those words.. We can remove it from the lead, or expand on it in the article body.Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk)16:33, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for confirming that, according to that article, we elected a former attorney who seems to have never been in a courtroom. I had my suspicions that his legal career lacks sufficient notability for inclusion.~2025-42193-93 (talk)17:45, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
80-90% of US attorneys rarely or never step into a courtroom. TV shows likeLaw and Order andPerry Mason do not represent the typical attorney.O3000, Ret. (talk)18:13, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Does this article convey Obama as a typical attorney? Where was he licensed to practice?~2025-42193-93 (talk)18:25, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. This is a matter of public record. Barack Obama’s licensure is confirmed by the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission, the official body responsible for attorney licensing under the Supreme Court of Illinois:Barack Hussein Obama, IARDC.orgThe Life and Legal Career of President Barack ObamaBarack Obama: Life Before the PresidencySpacedropper27 (talk)03:25, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, the term "typical lawyer" has no universally accepted definition.Spacedropper27 (talk)03:28, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 January 2026

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A request to change the fact that Obama is biracial not blackColy03 (talk)22:28, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

See the FAQ at the top of this page.Johnuniq (talk)01:41, 25 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Biracial and black are not mutually exclusive. According to WP, "African Americans have 73.2–82.1% Sub-Saharan African, 16.7–24% European, and 0.8–1.2% Native American genetic ancestry, with large variation between individuals." Make of that what you will.Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk)17:25, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Some biracial people with enough African ancestry could be considered black. Most African Americans are only 70-80% Black because of the transatlantic slave trade. Obama is 50% Black. He's light skinned brown but he looks kind of black to the average person. Now if he was 5% black or 25-40% black and he looked mainly white then I would agree on removing "African American" but I don't. Maybe you could put "First African American and multiracial president" that might be a good solution?Kpop777 (talk)22:48, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia follows the consensus ofreliable sources. To do otherwise would beoriginal research and/orundue weight.Talk:Barack Obama/FAQ#2 explains this in more detail.A. Randomdude0000 (talk)23:15, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
FailsWP:LEAD. Details are found in the body of the article and related articles likeEarly life and career of Barack Obama and those of his parents.Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk)06:00, 2 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 February 2026

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At the end of the second paragraph of the Post-presidency section, add the word leaders to the quote "women are indisputably betterleaders than men". It is the orginal quote from the given sources, and the word leaders seems to be missing for no reason since it is in the middle of the quote and adds context~2026-85648-4 (talk)02:13, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

That sentence was kinda a non sequitur anyway and it's unclear why it was there, so I just removed it. --LWGtalk(VOPOV)02:26, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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