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Strong oppose. There are many Raymonds in European history. Not all have the same spelling (not standardized, spelling variants appear in texts, often in local languages - Raymond IV is Ramon IV or Raimundo IV? Fredelo is Frigidolo?). Domain adds clarity and recognizability. Essential also for disambiguates from other figures with same name even if slightly different spelling is used here on Wikipedia (e.g.Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Barcelona,Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Provence, etc. are also "Raymond IV" in many texts). These are not household names, and indication of their domain should be noted pretty much in the same format norm as other feudal counts, dukes and monarchs (as inWP:SOVEREIGN). These should not be shortened. They sound like movie series. It is a disservice to readers.Walrasiad (talk)14:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the Raymonds,support Fredelo and Beggo. I would support dropping, Count and just having the formRaymond VI of Toulouse for all the counts of Toulouse. There are, I suspect, rather few cases where one would want to link toRaymond VII overRaymond VII of Toulouse (or some other title with 'Toulouse' in it), so there is little to be gained from these moves.Srnec (talk)17:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as well, although I think every medieval ruler article should have a toponym or some kind of disambiguator regardless of what the guidelines say, so take that as you willAdam Bishop (talk)18:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
