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1970 single by Chicago

"25 or 6 to 4"
Single byChicago
from the albumChicago
B-side"Where Do We Go from Here"
ReleasedJune 12, 1970[1]
RecordedAugust 1969
Genre
Length
  • 4:50 (album version)
  • 2:52 (single version)
LabelColumbia
SongwriterRobert Lamm
ProducerJames William Guercio
Chicago singles chronology
"Make Me Smile"
(1970)
"25 or 6 to 4"
(1970)
"Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?"
(1970)
Audio sample

"25 or 6 to 4" is a song written by American musicianRobert Lamm, one of the founding members of the bandChicago. It was recorded in August 1969 for their second album,Chicago, withPeter Cetera on lead vocals,[2] and released as a single in June 1970.

Composition

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In a 2013 interview, Robert Lamm said he composed "25 or 6 to 4" on a 12-string guitar with only 10 strings. According to Lamm, "It didn't have the two low Es." He wrote the lyrics in one day. The band first rehearsed the song at theWhisky a Go Go.[3]

Lamm said the song is about trying to write a song in the middle of the night. The song's title is the time at which the song is set: 25 or 26 minutes before 4 a.m., phrased as, "twenty-five or [twenty-]six [minutes] to four [o’clock]," (i.e. 03:35 or 03:34).[4][5] Because of the unique phrasing of the song's title, "25 or 6 to 4" has been interpreted to mean everything from a quantity of illicit drugs to the name of a famous person in code.[6]

The song's opening guitarriff has been compared to chord progressions and riffs in other songs. In the opinion of writer Melissa Locker:

...the opening guitarriff fromGreen Day's "Brain Stew" bears a striking similarity to the opening stanza of Chicago’s "25 or 6 to 4."[7]

LA Weekly's music editor, Andy Hermann, names it "The Riff" and describes it as follows:

It's a descending five-chord pattern, typically played aspower chords over four bars, with the last two chords sharing the last bar. The most common variant of it goes from A minor to G to F sharp to F to E, although it can also be played as Am-G-D-F-E or even Am-G-D9-F-F-E...[8]

Hermann details the riff's similarity to the chord progression inLed Zeppelin's version of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" byAnne Bredon, which came out a year before "25 or 6 to 4", and the similarity of that chord progression to one inGeorge Harrison's song "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", which came out even earlier. He labels "Brain Stew", released in 1996, as "derivative" by comparison to "25 or 6 to 4".[8]

Original version

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The original recording features anelectric guitar solo using awah-wah pedal by Chicago guitaristTerry Kath, and a lead vocal line in theAeolian mode.[9]

According to the recollections of producer James William Guercio and horn player Lee Loughnane, Cetera had to record the vocal while his jaw was still wired together after he had been attacked at a baseball game at Dodger Stadium on May 20, 1969. Guercio said he told Cetera, "I can't wait, we're gonna do this."[10]

The album was released in January 1970 and the song was edited and released as a single in June (omitting the second verse and most of the guitar solo), climbing to number 4 on the USBillboard Hot 100 chart[11][12] and number 7 on theUK Singles Chart.[13] It was the band's first song to reach the top five in the US.[11] It has been included in numerous Chicago compilation albums. In 2015, Dave Swanson, writing forUltimate Classic Rock, listed the song as number one on his top ten list of Chicago songs.[14]Classic Rock Review says the song is "one of the most indelible Chicago tunes".[15] In 2019, Bobby Olivier and Andrew Unterberger, music critics forBillboard magazine, ranked the song number one on their list of "The 50 Best Chicago Songs".[16]Guitar World rated "25 or 6 to 4" No. 22 for "greatest wah solos of all time."[17]

Bans

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The song was banned inSingapore in 1970 due to "alleged allusions to drugs";[18] the ban extended to later albums that included the song, such asChicago 18. In 1993, the ban on this song was lifted, along with long-time bans on songs by other artists such as theBeatles,Bob Dylan andCreedence Clearwater Revival.[19]

1986 and later versions

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"25 or 6 to 4"
Single byChicago
from the albumChicago 18
A-side"Will You Still Love Me?"
B-side"One More Day"
ReleasedAugust 1986[20]
Recorded1986
Genre
Length
  • 4:20
LabelFull Moon/Warner Bros.
Songwriters
ProducerDavid Foster
Chicago singles chronology
"Along Comes a Woman"
(1985)
"25 or 6 to 4"
(1986)
"Will You Still Love Me?"
(1986)

An updated version of "25 or 6 to 4" was recorded for the 1986 albumChicago 18 withJames Pankow listed as co-writer,[21] and new band memberJason Scheff on lead vocals. It featured two verses instead of three, and the single reached number 48 on the US chart.[22] This version was also used as the B-side for the band's next single in 1986, "Will You Still Love Me?"[23]

Through the 2010s, "25 or 6 to 4" continued to be a staple in Chicago's live concert set list[24][25][26] and in Peter Cetera's solo concert set list.[27][28][29] In 2016, the group's former drummerDanny Seraphine reunited on stage with Chicago to perform "25 or 6 to 4" and two other songs at their induction ceremony for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.[30]

Music video

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The music video for the 1986 remake won anAmerican Video Award, in the Best Cinematography category, forBobby Byrne.[31]

Personnel

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Chart performance

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Weekly charts

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Original version
Chart (1969–1970)Peak
position
Australia[32]12
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Flanders)[33]25
Belgium (Ultratop 50 Wallonia)[34]18
Canada Top Singles (RPM)[35]2
France (IFOP)[36]3
Germany (Chartsurfer)[37]22
Ireland (IRMA)[38]13
Netherlands (Single Top 100)[39]8
Norway (VG-lista)[40]6
UK Singles (OCC)[41]7
USBillboard Hot 100[42]4
USCash Box Top 100[43]6
1986 re-recording
Chart (1986)Peak
position
USBillboard Hot 100[44]48
USCash Box Top 100[43]46

Year-end charts

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Chart (1970)Rank
Australia[32]74
Canada[45]29
Netherlands[46]98
USBillboard Hot 100[47]61

Covers and parodies

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The song has beencovered by various artists, includingStraitjacket,Local H,Intruder,[48]Bruce Foxton,[49]The Moog Cookbook,[50]Earth, Wind & Fire,Paul Gilbert,Pacifika,[51]Mötley Crüe lead singerVince Neil,[52]Umphrey's McGee,[53]Nick Ingman,[54] and as an instrumental on theDave Koz collaboration albumSummer Horns.[55]Constantine Maroulis released his version of the song as a single in 2011.[56]

In popular culture

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"25 or 6 to 4" has become a popular song for marching bands to play. In 2018 Kevin Coffey of theOmaha World-Herald named it as the number one "marching band song of all time".[57] As performed by theJackson State University marching band, theHBCU Sports website ranked it number seven of the "Top 20 Cover Songs of 2018 by HBCU Bands".[58] In a nod to its popularity with marching bands, Chicago performed "25 or 6 to 4" and "Saturday in the Park" with theNotre Dame Marching Band on the football field during halftime on October 21, 2017.[59][60]

The song has been used in popular media as well. It appears as an on-disc track in the video gameRock Band 3;[61] has been featured on theanimated TV seriesKing of the Hill'sseason 11 episode, "Luanne Gets Lucky";[62][63] and was used in the2017 filmI, Tonya, directed byCraig Gillespie and starringMargot Robbie andSebastian Stan.[64][65]

The song was used inThe Flash to introduce the older, alternate version ofBruce Wayne, played byMichael Keaton.[66]

Influence

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Jason Newsted, former bassist ofMetallica, said that this song was the first rock or metal riff he ever learned to play.[67]Paul Gilbert, former guitarist ofRacer X andMr. Big, said that a "really primitive version" of "25 or 6 to 4" was one of the first songs he taught himself to play on the guitar, using one string.[68]

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