I removed the "(obsolete)Europe" definition as the citation given was the song (Over There), particularly given thatOver There (TV series) doesn't refer to Europe at all, albeit intentionally invoking the memory of the song about Europe. If there's an independent citation of some sort, feel free to add it back.Globish18:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
If that goes through, we will also need an expansion ofover here - as in the wartime UK description of US troops (overpaid, oversexed and over here)SemperBlotto18:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
ثُمَّ(thumma) seems me more appropriate. ذلك is a demonstrative, not an adverb (following my own knowledge and all my sources), from them La Source vitale, dictionnaire français-arabe, Dar Soboh, Beyrouth at item "là" (there is no "là-bas)