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I've fixed them as much as I could (see[1] and[2]). The previous versions (see[3] and[4]) do not match what the sourcessay about the vowels (see pages 93–95 and 136).
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![[2]](/mt/?noimg=&dark=on&url=https%3a%2f%2fupload.wikimedia.org%2fwikipedia%2fcommons%2f2%2f2d%2fCardiff_English_monophthongs_chart.svg){kind=link}
![[3]](/mt/?noimg=&dark=on&url=https%3a%2f%2fupload.wikimedia.org%2fwikipedia%2fcommons%2farchive%2f2%2f29%2f20180507221744%2521Abercrave_English_monophthongs_chart.svg){kind=link}
![[4]](/mt/?noimg=&dark=on&url=https%3a%2f%2fupload.wikimedia.org%2fwikipedia%2fcommons%2farchive%2f2%2f2d%2f20180507064156%2521Cardiff_English_monophthongs_chart.svg){kind=link}
Abercrave/a,aː,ɒ,ɒː/ were all way too close (well, at least the first two) and there was no/ɜː/ on the chart. The source says that the latter is an ordinary mid central vowel that isn't different from its RP counterpart, so I saw no reason not to add it to the chart. I also merged/ɛ/ with/ɛː/ as well as/ɒ/ with/ɒː/. I did it for the sake of simplicity - the chart still matches the source in that regard (see below).
Cardiff/a/ was also way too close, but on the other hand/iː/ and/uː/ were tooopen. I think that/ɛː/ and/øː/ are somewhat too open as well and I'll move them upwards (not all the way to the close-mid line, but closer to it).
The reason for these mistakes is that vowel charts in the source giveallophonic ranges of the vowels rather than precise realizations thereof, which means that the circles/squares representing the vowels are considerably bigger than what we normally use on Wikipedia charts. This misled me to think that if I just put our dots in the middle of these circles/squares then that'd be an accurate representation of all main allophones of WE vowels. Well, in the majority of cases, it probably is. In the case of Abercrave/a,aː,ɒ,ɒː/ and Cardiff/a,iː,uː/ (and probably also/ɛː,øː/), it's clearly not.Mr KEBAB (talk)06:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)Reply
The sources above and below don't seem to corroborate that Welsh English has this distinction, and the claim itself doesn't have any citation—should this be removed?Determinerteeth (talk)00:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)Reply
I guess that theIETF language code is en-u-sd-gbwls, sinceISO_3166-2:GB#Countries_and_province has:
- GB-WLS Wales [Cymru GB-CYM] country
buthttps://github.com/unicode-org/cldr/blob/main/common/subdivisions/en.xml says
- <subdivision type="gbwls">Wales</subdivision>
Is there a current subdivision code for all Wales?--Error (talk)11:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply