Woefully incomplete at present. Rudders are complex topics. I added a load of regrettably redlinks, but I'm going to work on some of them. With luck others will work on others. I already created Kitchen and Pleauger rudder pages, and that's how I ended up here.Fiddle Faddle23:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

The following article from the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Brittanica (which is now in the public domain) may be useful if you are considering explanding this article.

RUDDER (Old EnglishRother,i.e. rower), that part of the steeringapparatus of a ship which is fastened to the stern outside,and on which the water acts directly. The word may befound to be used as if it were synonymous with "helm."But the helm (Anglo-SaxonHilif, a handle) is the handle by which therudder is worked. The tiller, which is perhaps derived from aprovincial English name for the handle of a spade, has thesame meaning as the helm. In the earliest times a single oar,at the stern, was used to row the vessel round. In later timesoars with large blades were fixed on the sides near the stern.In Greek and Roman vessels two sets were sometimes employed,so that if the pitching of the ship lifted the after pair out of thewater, the foremost pair could still act. As these ancient shipswere, at least in some cases, sharp at both ends and could saileither way, steer (or steering) oars were fixed both fore and aft.The steer oar in this form passed through a ring on the side andwas supported on a crutch, and was turned by a helm, or tiller.Norse and medieval vessels had, as far as we can judge, onesteer oar only placed on the right side near the stern-hencethe name "starboard," i.e. steerside, for the right side of theship looking forward. In the case of small vessels the steeroar possesses an advantage over the rudder, for it can bringthe stern round quickly. Therefore it is still used in whalingboats and rowing boats which have to work against wind andtide, and in surf when the rudder will not act. I t is not possibleto assign any date for the displacement of the side rudder bythe stern rudder. They were certainly used together, and thesecond displaced the first in the course of the 14th centurywhen experience had shown that the rudder was more effectiveat the stern than at the side. The rudder of a wooden shipwhen fully developed was composed of four pieces. The firstor main piece was hung on to the stern post of the ship. Itsupper portion was known as the rudder head, and was at firstan oval shaft which passed into the ship through the rudderport, and to which the helm was fixed. A canvas bag calleda rudder coat covered the opening to exclude the water. Inlater days Sir R. Seppings introduced the cylindrical form inorder to prevent the water from coming into the round rudderport. Three back pieces were fastened to the main piece longitudinally.The whole were fastened together by iron bandscalled pintle straps, which had at the forward end a pin orpintle, which fitted into braces, i.e. fixed rings on the sternpost, so that the rudder hung on hinges. The lower part ofthe main piece was bevelled, and so was the stern post, so as toallow the rudder to swing freely. A projecting piece called achock or wood-lock was fixed in the head outside the ship inorder to prevent the rudder from being lifted by the water outof its hinges. A small vessel can be steered by the helm ortiller, but in a larger it is necessary to apply a mechanicalleverage. This was secured by carrying ropes, or in later timeschains, to the sides of the ship, and then through blocks to theupper deck, round a barrel which is worked by the wheel. Theprinciple of the rudder cannot alter, but the means employedto work it have been altered by the introduction of the screw,and by the increased size of ships. A single screw is placed inan open space before the stern post. As the opening thuscreated prevents the water from flowing directly on to therudder, a screw steamer is sometimes difficult to steer. Inorder to make the rudder more manageable, it has been balanced,i.e. pivoted, on a shaft placed at about a third of its length fromthe foremost edge. In a double screw there is no opening, butthe balanced rudder is still used, and the ship can be turned byreversing one of the screws. The need for more power to workthe helm has led to the introduction of steam, and hydraulicsteering apparatus which can be set in motion by a small wheel.

See Burney'sFalconer's Dictionary (London, 1830), Torr'sAncient Ships (Cambridge, 1894) ; Nares,Seamanship (Portsmouth, 1882).TruthbringerToronto01:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

If in the public domain and free from copyright infringement, why notbe bold and edit the page to include it?Fiddle Faddle11:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

I have just reverted an edit that simply removed redlinks. However these redlinks serve the important purpose of notifying editors that the pages are needed and are not present. The removal was unhelpful in that it removed that marker without drawing attention in some other manner to the need for these articles.

The redlink removal seems to follow on from a talk pageWikipedia talk:Red link which is the discussion page for an elementWikipedia:Red link which is part of the manual of style and addresses what redlinks are and why they are valid. It says "Sometimes it is useful to create a red link to indicate that an article will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because it is about an important, verifiable subject."Fiddle Faddle23:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

User:Gun Powder Ma, I am thoroughly disappointed in you and everything you do here on Wikipedia now is questionable (in regards to misrepresenting your sources). I thought you were of higher integrity than this, and this is something I will hold you accountable for. And furthermore, I find it funny that this is all a petty jab atList of Chinese inventions.

For anyone who can access JSTOR, look to Plate 1of this link here. It brings you to:

Harbour and River Boats of Ancient RomeLionel Casson The Journal of Roman Studies, Vol. 55, No. 1/2, Parts 1 and 2 (1965), pp. 31-39

From this picture, Gun Powder Ma took the liberty of using a picture of a Roman tugboat that clearly shows a man operating asteering oar, NOT afixed rudder, at the back of a Roman tugboat. The caption says absolutely nothing about a rudder, which was Gun Powder Ma's sly, non-scholarly-based interpretation of the picture. It reads: "Tugboat on a tomb plaque of Hadriatic date from the Isola Sacra."

That's it.

Just earlier, Gun Powder Ma tried a similar trick in the article forumbrella, by stating the Greeks and Romans had thecollapsible umbrella and instead of citing a published source, he chose the route oforiginal research once again and found two tiny, hazy, indistinguishable pictures that clearly did not show anything of a collapsible mechanism. Lookhere andhere.

I rest my case.--Pericles of Athens^Talk01:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

For anyone interested, Gun Powder Ma also used R.O. Faulkner's article to falsely claim inList of Chinese inventions (see thetalk page) that the Egyptians had a stern-post rudder instead of a stern-post paddle. I just read the article on that exact page (p. 7) only to discover Gun Powder Ma was deliberately making a false claim.--Pericles of Athens^Talk02:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Just to note that I had moved some stuff from another article to here.116.15.95.30 (talk)07:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Once again, Gun Powder Ma thinks a steering oar is a rudder. I had to correct him with several sources, including Needham, Tom, Chung, Adshead, Noëtte, Johnstone, and McGrail.--Pericles of Athens^Talk18:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)Reply

Our University of Toronto Head East Asian Prof (who is himself European btw) says the Chinese did indeed invent the 2 inventions that allowed European navigation the compass, and, sternpost rudder. UofT's programme is arguably the best East Asian studies program in the world, with the biggest non-Asian resources available—Precedingunsigned comment added by76.126.154.23 (talk)04:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Does anyone have a source of information for the "X Rudder" design employed on Swedish submarines?Sully343 (talk)22:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)Reply

"Although Lawrence Mott in his comprehensive treatment of the history of the rudder,[3] Timothy Runyan,[6] the Propyläen History of Technology,[7] the Encyclopedia Britannica,[2] and The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology[8] classify a steering oar as a rudder,[3] Joseph Needham, Lefèbre des Noëttes, K.S. Tom, Chung Chee Kit, S.A.M. Adshead, John K. Fairbank, Merle Goldman, Frank Ross, and Leo Block state that the steering oar used in ancient Egypt and Rome (and even ancient China) was not a true rudder;"

I'm just reading this page in passing and not going to come back, but this is a very silly way to resolve a conflict over whether something was or was not a real rudder. Either describe the arguments for and against the position or just say that opinions vary; don't include a laundry-list of random names to try to bolster one position or another.

173.228.104.25 (talk)16:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

I just read the section on airplane rudders and felt that it was confusing and overly complicated. I think it needs to be sorted out a little more.Longinus876 (talk)21:27, 2 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

"A rudder operates by redirecting the fluid past the hull or fuselage, "

This seems to be a rather strange claim, as the rudder is usually located at the back of the vessel or aircraft and the fluid has already flowed past the hull or fuselage before it gets to the rudder.Eregli bob (talk)18:32, 26 December 2011 (UTC)Reply