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Posted inNational Incident Management System talkpage:Consideration to consolidate the Incident Command System (ICS) page into this one since ICS is in actuality replaced by the NIMS. What do you think? Paradiver (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Paradiver (talk)22:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NIMS mandates the use of the ICS, it is not a replacement for it. NIMS and the ICS are very different things.--Bg10117 (talk)17:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
VigilancePrime21:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There's a giant Note just before the history section referencing the same, that appears to be original research.
Suggest it be interested into the history section or removed. I'm not comfortable making changes.JustinRJoneZ (talk)02:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This piece of text seems to have been deleted from the article:
This text does not quite say what I think is intended, but something like it needs to be put back in the article. The key point is that during an incident people are assigned to rolestemporarily, more or less regardless of their normal roles. At least, in some user communities it works this way, and it is very flexible and effective. In other user communities, the roles may be quite fixed from one incident to the next. This too can be effective, but it is not flexible. --Una Smith03:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it might help to strike "Personnel" and use instead "Jobs" or "Roles" (without reference to role-playing). Jobs are filled from a pool of available persons who are qualified to fill that job. Note that above you wrote "positions in ICS are assigned (or should be) to the most qualified". Do you see the problem? It is backward. ICS assigns persons to positions, not positions to persons. Positions to persons encourages the idea that the person then somehow owns the position. Also, re NIMS-compliant, please remember that this is not "USA Wikipedia". The article needs clear writing, explaining ICS accurately yet from a lay-person's perspective; if the goal is to copy NIMS ICS, let's just point to the source. By the way, I really dislike the current reference style; I want to know which of N references contains the relevant information. --Una Smith04:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"positions in ICS arefilled (or should be)by the most qualified" sounds like the result of a dog fight among the persons who consider themselves qualified. People are assigned to positions as needed by positions higher in the organizational structure. I thinkthis article would be of most use to the world if it did less rehashing of NIMS ICS and more comparing and contrasting its use in different communities (geographic, functional). --Una Smith05:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What's the deal with the wildland firefighting box? The ICS is much more globally applicable than this, bigger than the fire service even. I'm all for increasing the visibility of this article, but I feel like there must be a more appropriate box we can attach to it. I feel that this box makes the article's scope appear narrower than it is. --Shaggorama (talk)18:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the move request was:page moved per discussion. -GTBacchus(talk)04:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Incident command system →Incident Command System – This is a proper noun as defined in the FEMA documentation most commonly know by its accronym, ICS. There was an undiscussed move a year ago that changed this. Corresponding articles include:National Incident Management System,Federal Emergency Management Agency andMultiagency Coordination Systems among other associated articles.Vegaswikian (talk)20:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If this blueprint for incident response is so super-fantastic, it would be good to explain why it did not work well for the Katrina Hurricane in New Orleans. How has the system changed as a result of the failure to manage that incident? That's a big question on my mind after reading this article (and taking a course that trained me in incident management).SystemBuilder (talk)23:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am a student at Texas State University in the Public Administration undergraduate program and am completing this article evaluation as an assignment for classes POSI 3318 and POSI 3316 for the Fall 2015 semester. I will be following up the below critiques and suggestions with my own edits next week.
To start, I am an aspiring emergency manager with field experience as an EMT in EMS and the ED. My primary ICS experience comes from my various ground, special operations, and management roles in Wilderness Search & Rescue as part of a volunteer team.
Although this article is decent in length, it has very few citations where there are certainly some due. For instance, in the History section there are textual references to OSHA and the relationship of NIMS to the 9/11 attacks but no cited sources for these assertions. They are widely known among the EM community, but even basics need citations. There are many other examples throughout the article that should also be addressed to legitimize the great content. That said, the quality of the content is very good and makes this article an excellent resource for a quick overview of ICS (as it is intended).
There are a few nouns that are left in lower case, such as Incident Action Plan and all of the ICS positions (Incident Commander, Safety Officer, etc.)
Some things I suggest adding (and will probably add next week) are:
-Quick overview and listing of the various ICS forms, mentioning the concept of their use and modification
-Addition of the various common Section deputy positions (Documentation Unit Leader, Facilities Unit Leader, etc.)
-Reformat Basis section to allow for elaboration of the implimentation of ICS in each specific setting (Wilderness SAR, USAR, Wildland Fire, etc., all implement it a little different (Search Manager, Fire Officer, etc.)
I don't mean to knit pick the work the community has done, I only intend to point out room for improvement. As stated, I plan on spending time next week to make the edits discussed above and add to the article as well.--KCGrimes (talk)16:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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NOTE: Parts of the information in this "history" of the Incident Command System are largely inaccurate, being at odds with the actual development sequence, the concept, design, and development having been carried out during 1972-76 by the FIRESCOPE RD&A Program at the U.S. Forest Service Forest Fire Research Laboratory in Riverside California, as a cooperative effort with the federal, State, and county fire services in Southern California.[1] There may have been a meeting of Fire Chiefs in 1968 for something, but a multiagency ICS was not even a concept until presented to agency heads as a proposed part of FIRESCOPE and--after much discussion about differences between organization, equipment, practices, and terminology between urban and wildland fire protection services--approved, and an interagency task force to work with Research established in 1972. (ICS was never referred to as "Field Command Operations System") By the latter 1970s, ICS had been adopted by federal federal wildland fire services nationally, and in the early 80s had gotten the attention of the National Fire Administration for inclusion in their training. Adoption by FEMA followed. (R.A. Chase --former Asst. Program Manager, FIRESCOPE RD&A Program)— Precedingunsigned comment added byRachase (talk •contribs)
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Perhaps discussion should be included of this variant model. Or perhaps, a separate article, with cross-links. I found no Wikipedia article other than the (overly general)Emergency management: which, though it covers most of the subject, does not mention either ICS or EHRM. Here are some sources for possible consultation:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267005555_Emergent_Human_Resource_Management_The_Evolving_'Ten-Commandments'https://www.academia.edu/18836004/Emergent_Human_Resource_Management_The_Evolving_Ten-Commandments_https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1016/S0742-6186(06)15002-7/full/html?skipTracking=trueMention and criticism of ICS and EHRM are in chapter 5 "Blending Art and Science, or Mindful Muddling" of this book: Kendra, James M; Wachtendorf, Tricia (2016). American Dunkirk: The Waterborne Evacuation of Manhattan on 9/11. Temple University:2603:6010:4E42:500:61C8:FC0E:67AA:A6B1 (talk)16:21, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The explanation of incidents in this article is the most detailed on Wikipedia from what I can find. Perhaps it should be moved toIncident management, or its own article?Tule-hog (talk)09:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
