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Section sizes
Section size forMass detentions in the Gaza war (53 sections)
Section nameByte countProse size (words)
HeaderTotalHeaderTotal
(Top)15,23115,231328328
Background178,7280414
Incarceration of Palestinians by Israel3,6083,608149149
Outbreak of war on October 73,0283,028120120
Revocation of work permits2,0752,075145145
Mass arrests, disappearances, and detentions6,42049,9403022,837
Palestinian workers from Gaza2,5422,542182182
Palestinians within Gaza5,16927,8472671,575
Healthcare workers13,10213,102634634
December 7 mass detention7,5277,527580580
December 10 mass detention5885884242
March 6 mass detention1,0111,0114040
Siege of Jabalia4504501212
Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem9,5479,547584584
Arab–Israelis3,5843,584194194
Status of detainees7,49552,8984693,184
Allegations of torture and mistreatment10533,42602,067
Allegations by non-governmental and international organizations7421,18001,193
Torture9,66013,450482675
UN staff3,7903,790193193
Due process violations2,3952,395170170
Holding conditions5,2615,261348348
News reports and allegations by detainees10,79010,790729729
Incommunicado detention of militants1,3511,351145145
Deaths in custody6,37311,977328648
Death of Omar Daraghmeh3,0953,095143143
Death of Walid Ahmad2,5092,509177177
Prominent detainees2725,71001,601
Artists, activists, and entertainers8289,5048630
Ahed Tamimi2,4232,423209209
Mosab Abu Toha2,7462,746228228
Mohand Taha4644645858
Diala Ayesh5435433333
Mahmoud Almadhoun2,5002,5009494
Politicians214,1720271
Arab-Israeli politicians2,0292,029152152
Khalida Jarrar2,1222,122119119
Journalists2,3746,61196295
Ismail al-Ghoul4,2374,237199199
Medical professionals282,324077
Ahmed Kahlout2,2962,2967777
Other123,0720328
Musab Qatawi1,0001,000107107
Orwah Sheikh Ali2,0602,060221221
Interrogations of detainees3,3893,389224224
Analysis6,5456,545358358
Reactions167,1700407
International3,2783,278199199
In Israel and Palestine3,8763,876208208
See also29329300
Reports43843800
Notes242400
References48348300
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Mondoweiss and Al Jazeera Arabic

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@WillowCity: The section you restored is still inaccurate; Mondoweiss doesn't report this, it reports that Al Jazeera Arabic reports this. Further, if those are the only two sources that we have for this claim then we shouldn't be including it; neither is sufficiently reliable for it.BilledMammal (talk)04:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll look for additional sources, but this seems to be more an issue of phrasing. It’s not entirely clear that the reports regarding detentions at al-Shifa came from AJ Arabic; context from the Mondoweiss article may suggest this, but it’s equally possible it was covered by AJ English (which is green on RSPSS). Either way, AJ Arabic is not listed onWP:RSPSS other than a note that some editors consider it biased; and as we know, biased does not mean unreliable. “Less reliable” than RSPSS-green doesn’t mean “must inevitably be excluded”. The solution in my view is careful wording and attribution, not total exclusion.
As I said, though, I’ll look into this further.WillowCity(talk)05:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah as I thought it was alsocovered on AJ English. The linked article states, in relevant part:
Omar Zaqout, an emergency room employee at al-Shifa, said that Israeli soldiers have “detained and brutally assaulted some of the men who were taking refuge at the hospital”.
“Israeli forces took the detained men naked and blindfolded. [They] did not bring any aid or supplies, they only brought terror and death,” he said, adding that the army has surrounded every building within the hospital complex.
CBS has touched on similar reports inits own coverage, noting that a witness (not Mr. Zaqout) “said he saw Israeli troops detain three men.”
So there is certainly reporting from RS regarding detentions at al-Shifa; I don’t see why Mondoweiss can’t be included among them with adequately-phrased attribution.
I’ll see what else I can find.WillowCity(talk)05:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive use Al Jazeera

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I’m concerned by the level of use of Al Jazeera in this article, including for claims that it is the only source for - while it is a reliable source it is also a highly biased source, and relying on it so heavily createsWP:NPOV issues.BilledMammal (talk)03:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing as a reliable heavily biased source. If you have opposing viewpoints from other RS, please feel free to add them, otherwise I don't see an issue here.Makeandtoss (talk)12:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As editors - including you, I believe - have pointed out in the various discussions of Al Jazeera, reliability and bias are two different things.BilledMammal (talk)01:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which specific claims are the problem? Or is this just another case of I don't like AJ, period?Selfstudier (talk)12:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is that when an article relies excessively on sources biased in a specific direction the article becomes biased; to comply with NPOV when not using a broad range of sources we need to make sure those sources are generally unbiased, and we haven't done so here.BilledMammal (talk)01:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a general dislike then, thought as much.Selfstudier (talk)11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2024

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Thisedit request toMass detentions in the Israel–Hamas war has been answered. Set the|answered= parameter tono to reactivate your request.

Change Israel-Hamas war to Israel-Gaza war. This is not a war against Hamas anymore, but systematic genocide against a population.Thijmenbaak (talk)21:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a"change X to Y" format and provide areliable source if appropriate.Charliehdb (talk)17:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 21 May 2025 21,000 prisoners

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Add the following to the summary:

In midsummer of 2024, Israeli intelligence chief Ronen Bar stated that there were 21,000 prisoners in jail, outreaching the maximum capacity of the system by some 7,000. This number did not include some 2,500 detainees from Gaza. -https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/29/palestinian-prisoners-israel-jails-abuse/Mcdruid (talk)05:14, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mcdruid (talk)05:14, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done I have no access to the Washington post, but I looked for other sources and found some - but not for "This number did not include some 2,500 detainees from Gaza." Furthermore, I did not add the text to the summary (called the lead), but to the section "Mass arrests, disappearances, and detentions". However, I added a quote from Bar.
I keep the edit request as unanswered, in case another editor does have access to Washington Post.Lova Falk (talk)08:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I can confirm that the information is in the article. There are parts already sourced to the Palestine Chronicle, but both refer to Bar's letter. So I left both sources, despitesome misgivings about the Chronicle.Szmenderowiecki (talk)15:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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