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Editing the "Casualties and losses" to match different parts of the article and the given sources
editOn the Casualties and losses for the israeli side it says " 87 civilians wounded" and gives 2 sources.https://www.mdais.org/316/7004.htm Is seems to be a dead link andhttps://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/50-days-of-Israels-Gaza-operation-Protective-Edge-by-the-numbers-372574 clearly states a different number"According to Magen David Adom, there were842 Israeli casualties during the fighting. Six civilians were killed by rocket or mortar strikes and 36 were wounded by shrapnel, including 10 who were seriously injured, 6 who were moderately injured, and 20 who sustained light injuries.MDA added that another33 people were hurt by flying glass, and that18 people were hurt in traffic accidents that occurred when rocket warning sirens sounded, including one person who was seriously injured. Also,159 people were injured while running for bomb shelters, and581 were treated for shock. In addition, nine people were killed in three terrorist attacks in Israel."
Which totals to1633. and even if you disregard casuallities not directly related to the bombings it still is 842 and not 87.But I'd argue that running to a shelter, getting hit glass that exploded due to shrapnel and emotional damage caused by the bombings should still count and totals to1615.
Even the body of the article argues a completely different number of civilian casualities right before the "Contents" while also quoting the same Jpost source."...and 469 IDF soldiers and 261 Israeli civilians were injured.[17]"further proof that those numbers are wrong/not implied from this source is that both "87" and "261" are never mentioned in the article or are a combination of other numbers in the article. While the "469 IDF soldiers" is directly referenced in the article.
During the events preceding the war, 3 Israelis were killed by Palestinians and in response Israel launched an operation that killed at least 10 Palestinians, injured 130 and imprisoned 600. I think both casualties should be mentioned (or neither). Can someone explain why we would mention dead Israelis but remove mention of dead Palestinians? I think that's a violation ofWP:NPOV.VR(Pleaseping on reply)16:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
- This is preceding the war, and it was not carried out by Hamas, as well as it being in the West Bank so it did not involve Gaza at all. The war was started when Israel focused from operation brothers keeper (in the West Bank), to Gaza which had nothing to do with it, provoking the warThe Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk)11:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
The infobox and the table "2014 Gaza War #Casualties and losses" currently seem to cite the same reference,[1] for 2,251 and 2,125 deaths, respectively, and nothing currently on the page clearly explains the difference.
- ^"Report of the detailed findings of the Commission of Inquiry on the 2014 Gaza Conflict".Archived from the original on 25 July 2017. Retrieved2 June 2024.
@דור פוזנר: There is no "retroactive" label being applied here. What the ICJ found was only reaffirming what has been common knowledge for decades, that Israel remained the occupying power despite the 2005 withdrawal. Why did you remove that? The opening paragraph is now half a page long. So why did you restore chronology to the opening paragraph which must be kept neutral and general perMOS:OPEN?Makeandtoss (talk)09:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
implicit obfuscation in "The combination of Palestinian rocket attacks and Israeli airstrikes [...]"
editThe opening paragraph of the article reads "The combination of Palestinian rocket attacks and Israeli airstrikes resulted in over two thousand deaths", and while this is technically correct the article also cites multiple sources, including the one for the actual quoted segment, saying Israeli airstrikes resulted in over two thousand deaths on their own. Is this not a sort of obfuscation, as it would lead readers to believe both sides caused equal amounts of death? Maybe this should be changed to something more objective or removed entirely.TunaTM (talk)00:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- I've changed it to "The war resulted in over two thousand deaths, the vast majority of which were Gazan Palestinians." For future reference, have a look atWP:EDITXY. That is the best way to propose changes. It is best to exclude personal opinions, and speculation about unknowable things like the effects of text on readers or the intent of authors.Sean.hoyland (talk)02:27, 8 December 2024 (UTC)Reply