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The dimension H2 is incorrectly repeated for the bullet diameter which should be G1 instead [see Wikipedia 40 S&W for similar graphic] The graphic is file File:10mm Auto.svg

Dennis L May

DennisLMay (talk)16:34, 15 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Dropping off the tables from the official website for reference here:http://www.cip-bobp.org/homologation/uploads/tdcc/tab-iv/10-mm-auto-en.pdf71.229.23.917:20, 15 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Morgan Phoenix, commons is not enwp. We don't allowfair use and we don'tsupersede images over here.Multichill (talk)23:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

• Roger that, didn't see either of those things. Thanks.Morgan Phoenix (talk)23:38, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

• lol it was right on the top ofTransition to SVG and I didn't even see it. *facepalm*Morgan Phoenix (talk)23:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I saw you are busy to convert 5.7 x 28.jpg to svg format, which I appreciate. Please note that different line thickness, line types, arrows, etc. in technical drawings often have meanings. To make the drawing understandable (the svg of my "own drawing" looks like work by a junior student for me now) you have to convert those things correctly. Maybe it is hard with the software you are working with (my drawing software does not even have an option for svg output), but please try to convert drawings correctly.--Francis Flinch (talk)09:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Can you quantify those meanings? I matched line thickness perfectly; however, arrow size was a bit different, however. Also, the dashes are slightly different as I cannot make custom dashes in Inkscape (or I don't know how, which is also possible).Morgan Phoenix (talk)05:04, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

I immediately noticed: R, discontinued line. delta 25 degrees, bottom arrow points the wrong way (the arrows should point outwards of the arched line). alpha 70 degrees, line (dash, point, dash line) runs over text. I am no expert on Wikipedia drawing format preferences. Besides jpg I think I can export cartridge drawings in gif, png or tif formats. Could you please advise which is the best image format of those four formats for Wikipedia use? Probably Inkscape does not offer the drawing tools to convert or edit technical drawings properly.--Francis Flinch (talk)11:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Are you sure it's not a rendering issue?This is what I see. The arrows on delta, as far as I can tell, are fine.PNG is regarded as the best format for rasters as it's lossless, free, and supports transparency. I redrew the jpg by hand as closely as possible; really the only major difference is the size of the arrows (which I added using stroke options); I can move the text as needed.Morgan Phoenix (talk)01:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

I was looking atFile:Fabrique Nationale 5.7 x 28mm.svg. There I see the arrows. Your PNG link does not show the arrow error.
File:FN_round_1.png is a test file I uploaded to Wiki Commons for the 5.7x28mm cartridge. There are still some unintended line thickness variations in the L2, L3 and L6 lines I can not get out, but for a conversion-job to PNG it generally looks better compared to the JPG version. I hope the tickness variations in PNG lines can be edited by graphics experts.
Thanks for the PNG tip. I will try to use PNG from now.--Francis Flinch (talk)14:53, 8 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

That's a known renderer error- it has nothing to do with the file. If you open up the actual file, the Mozilla (Firefox/Flock/SeaMonkey/Foxkeh/etc.) SVG renderer wil do so correctly, but the wiki's renderer and some others have a few problems like that. No problem on the PNG tip, it's from the collective consciousness of wikimedia.Morgan Phoenix (talk)05:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Your9x19mm Parabellum.svg drawing looks fine except for the bullet diameter G1 that should be corrected to 9,03 mm. The "delta 35,00°" running through the 35,00° arc line and the dashes under the degree symbols look a bit odd, but the drawing is understandable.--Francis Flinch (talk)14:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

That's another case of the Wikimedia renderer making errors in the png render of the file. if you view it directly (by clicking on the image again), it looks correct. Also, thanks for finding that typo. I'll get to the change as soon as I am able.Morgan Phoenix (talk)21:04, 8 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

Excellent job. The 9x19mm article now uses your SVG drawing.--Francis Flinch (talk)17:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

See: File:7.65x21mm Parabellum.png for a 7.65x21mm Parabellum drawing in PNG. I already added the technical data in the 7.65x21mm Parabellum article. (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)--Francis Flinch (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Your File:7.65x21mm_10-to-1-scale_diagram.svg looks fine. The dimensional information in red is a nice touch. I think it makes reading the drawing easier for the general public. You only need to correct one dimension 0.01 mm since L6=29.85 mm. When you correct that your drawing can be used to replace the PNG drawing. To see the cartridge drawn on scale will help to understand that this is no rimless rifle cartridge.--Francis Flinch (talk)10:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

Official C.I.P. drawings are to scale and sadly copyrighted, but they do not look as good as your latest scale drawing. My not to scale contributions differ from the C.I.P. drawings and also look worse than your latest File:7.65x21mm_10-to-1-scale_diagram.svg drawing. I think 10:1 is a nice scale for pistol and revolver cartridges. A 5:1 scale would be nice for normally longer rifle cartridges, since they tend to be roughly twice as long.

Keep in mind the main objective of C.I.P. data sheets is to give safety related dimensional and other important technical numerical data for producers, test facilities and professionals. I suggest you replace my drawings with your scale drawings presuming the accompanying dimensional data is correct.--Francis Flinch (talk)13:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

Some .40 S&W dimensions have to be corrected:
E = 3,52 mm
delta = 45,00 degrees
beta = 35,00 degrees

I advise to use the "flat nosed" projectile shape you used in your .40 S&W drawing for the .357 SIG drawing, since the .357 SIG is normally loaded with such projectiles.--Francis Flinch (talk)17:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

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Thanks for making another good drawing. The red lines are very clear to people who do not look at technical drawings on a daily basis. I would keep the typeface of the angles identical to all other data though. I will introduce the .38 Super Auto drawing in the .38 Super article.

For cartridges typically used in semi-automatic pistols I suggest to draw bullet shapes like the one you used in your drawings as shown in the .40 S&W article. Such shaped bullets can offer enhanced feeding reliability for some pistol chamberings like the .357 SIG. Please look at your File:40 S&W Scale Drawing.svg drawing. It contains 3 dimensional errors mentioned under your drawing in the article.--Francis Flinch (talk)14:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for rminding me about those errors; I'd forgotten about them. I'll get to them when I get home. As to the typefaces, it's all Helvetica Neue LT Std Bold; the font sizes are different according to the space available.Morgan Phoenix (talk)23:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)Reply

I would strive to use the same typeface (the Helvetica variant used is fine) and font size in cartridge drawings. Differing font sizes without the need to point out something special is odd in technical drawings but not wrong. The letters and numbers in cartridge drawings provide dimensional data and all provided data is equally important.--Francis Flinch (talk)17:48, 1 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

I've seen drawings on both sides of this; some with larger and smaller using space available, and ones where the numbers are the same size throughout. I can change it as needed… Text changes are easy. The problem I have right now is that the diagram actually reflects the dimensions as stated. I have to redraw the diagram with the correct values. I may not get to it until the 20th or so; I'm trying to finish everything up for my classes until then.Morgan Phoenix (talk)22:13, 3 December 2010 (UTC)Reply

Modification Request

Hello, I was browsing through the Anahata Symbol in Wikipedia. I work for the Centro Anahata, which is a non-profit Yoga school in the Basque Country, Spain. Our logo is very similar to your Anahata svg file, but it is of poor quality. We would like to make a door banner with the symbol, and I would like to ask you kindly if you could modify it to ressemble our logo so we can print it. Our website ishttp://yogaanahataalgorta.blogspot.com.es/ and our logo is athttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-noZi_idCslA/UFHLeWri9nI/AAAAAAAAAKA/Id8P_fmuq4o/s220-h/logo%2B2.jpg We would be very grateful for any help,Greetings from Algorta, Spain Nieves Álavan_alava@hotmail.comWyup (talk)20:36, 8 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

I know it's a bit late (since your user page doesn't exist anymore), but Let's clear a few things up. Fist, it's not Mr. It's Ms., Mrs. if you must. Second, I don't do commercial work for free. My services in graphic design are easily worth US$500/hr., you wouldn't ask someone to give you a free laptop on a whim, would you? The file is there for you to use, if you like, subject to the licensing terms as described. Not trying to be nasty or anything; it's just kind of crass to ask someone to donate hundreds to thousands of dollars' worth of work for your commercial benefit.Morgan Phoenix (talk)07:38, 3 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi ; new level 4 for you ?

--Medium⁶₉^{You wanted talk to me?}14:50, 11 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Wow. I guess it's been a bit since I checked this. Yes. I all but had a degree in graphic arts; I took classes specifically on Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Quark. That would fit my level precisely. Thank you.Morgan Phoenix (talk)07:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Note: I moved this from my front page to the talk page for archival purposes.Morgan Phoenix (talk)07:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

The last image you uploaded had info till Agi-V. Can you incorporate the data forAgni-VI too? Thanks!Anir1uph11:40, 16 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

I initially thought that the A6 was just a SLBM, but it looks like it's going to be a silo-based system, too. When there's more concrete data to back its range, I will—right now, the range has a tolerance of about 50% of its median (not a very accurate estimate).Morgan Phoenix (talk)02:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Hi Morgan,

   I've seen your name associated with a lot of cartridge stuff and am wondering if you could clarify/point me in the right direction. There are a few cartridge drawings that are still in raster rather than vector format and I was looking to try my hand at doing an update. Looking at the svg files they all have a comma as the decimal separator rather than the decimal point. What is the reasoning for this? As this is "English" WP, I would have though it would be the point or does the info come from a European source hence, to recognise this, it is the comma or maybe the drawings are done by a European? Any advice/background you could give me would be appreciated.BlueyTheDog (talk)20:44, 24 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

@BlueyTheDog the comma is a standard international decimal separator in CIP standards. This is how it's done in Europe and the majority of the world.

I was the one who set the style of using red to separate the measurements and pointers for visual separation, btw.Morgan Phoenix (talk)14:29, 2 March 2025 (UTC)Reply