Jerod Santo
Jerod hostsChangelog News, co-hostsThe Changelog & takes out the trash (his old code) once in awhile.
The world of open source metadata
Andrew Nesbitt builds tools and open datasets to support, sustain, and secure critical digital infrastructure. He’s been exploring the world of open source metadata for over a decade. First with libraries.io and now withecosyste.ms, which tracks over 12 million packages, 287 million repos, 24.5 billion dependencies, and 1.9 million maintainers.
What has Andrew learned from all this, who is using this open dataset, and how does he hope others can build on top of it all? Tune in to find out.
The overlooked power of URLs
Ahmad Alfy explains how URLs are state containers, Shrivu Shankar shares how he uses every Claude Code feature, Yusuf Aytas laments how AI broke technical interviews, Wu Xiaoyun tells how he saved TikTok $300k during his internship, and TOON is a new serialization format to save us some LLM tokens.
We see dead projects
It’s a FRIGHT…when your record a podcast with dead projects all around. Tech debt, poor choices, timing, market shift, and optimizing for the wrong things are all lurking around waiting to pop out at you! Just don’t forget to push record.
Agentic infra changes everything
Adam Jacob joins us to discuss how agentic systems for building and managing infrastructure have fundamentally altered how he thinks about everything, including the last six years of his life. Along the way, he opines on the recent AWS outage, debates whether we’re in an AI-induced bubble, quells any concerns of AGI and a robot uprising, eats some humble pie, and more.
Code like a surgeon
The Dead Internet Theory dies, Geoffrey Litt tries to code like a surgeon, Matt Sephton thinks spreadsheets are great for UI design, Nate Meyvis advocates for front-end maximalism, Hemant Pandey thinks 9-5 employment is a great option for most, David Miranda compares React to Backbone in 2025.
Kaizen! Mop-up job
It’s our first Kaizen after the big Pipely launch in Denver and we have some serious mopping to do. Along the way, we brainstorm the next get-together, check out our new cache hit/miss ratio, give Pipely a deep speed test, discuss open video standards, and more!
Bringing Atuin to the desktop
Ellie Huxtable’s magical shell tool,Atuin, won developers’ hearts by syncing, searching, and backing up our shell history with ease. Now Ellie is tackling the desktop with a GUI built to help teams make their workflows repeatable, shareable, and reliable.
The science behind developer flow states
Csaba Okrona lays out exactly what Flow is (then shows you how to engineer your way back to it), a smart vacuum turned against an innocent hacker, Matz and the Ruby core team step up to steward RubyGems, Simon Willison things Claude Skills could be bigger than MCP, and Luke Plant looks at technical debt from a more positive perspective.
There will be bleeps
Mike McQuaid and Justin Searls join Jerod in the wake of the RubyGemsdebacle to discuss what happened, what it says about money in open source, what sustainability really means for our community, making a career out of open source (or not), and more. Bleep!
Spec-driven development with Kiro
We’re joined by Deepak Singh from the Kiro team. Kiro is AWS’s attempt at building an AI coding environment to take you from prototype to production. It does that by bringing structure to your agentic workflow with spec-driven development. Their aim: the flow of AI coding, leveled up with mature engineering practices.
The great software quality collapse
Denis Stetskov describes how we’ve “normalized catastrophe” in the software industry, Meta is officially handing React and React Native over to a foundation, The New Stack reports on GitHub’s Azure migration priority, Miguel Grinberg benchmarks Python 3.14, and The Oatmeal’s Matthew Inman published his take on AI art.
A new direction for AI developer tooling
Elixir creator, José Valim, is throwing his hat into the coding agent ring withTidewave –a coding agent for full-stack web development. Tidewave runs in the browser alongside your app, but it’s also deeply integrated into Rails and Phoenix. On this episode, José tells us all about it. Also: his agent flow, YOLO mode, an MCP hot take, and more.
Vite documentary companion pod
Our friends atCult.Repo launch their epicVite documentary on October 9th, 2025! To celebrate, Jerod sat down with Evan You to discuss Vite’s adoption story, why he raised money to start VoidZero, how developer documentaries get made, open source sustainability, and more.
The best coders should exit the feed
Abner Coimbre makes a compelling case why our biggest technical talent should abandon for-profit social platforms, Noah Brier creates a Claude Code and Obsidian starter kit, Bharath Natarajan documents the Vercel vs Cloudflare fight, Toolbrew is a well-designed website brimming with common utilities, and Yusuf Aytas analyzes why over-engineering happens.
npm under siege (what to do about it)
Over the past two months, we’ve seen some of the most serious supply chain attacks in npm history: phishing campaigns, maintainer account takeovers, and malware published to packages with billions of weekly downloads. What is going on?! What can we do about it? Our old friend, Feross Aboukhadijeh, joins us to help make sense of it all.
Reinventing Python tooling with Rust
Charlie Marsh builtRuff (an extremely fast Python linter written in Rust) anduv (an extremely fast Python package manager written in Rust) because he believes great tools can have an outsized impact. He believes it so much, in fact, that he started an entire company that builds next-gen Python tooling.
On this episode, Charlie joins us to tell us all about it: why Python, why Rust, how they make everything so fast, how they’re starting to make money, what other products he’s dreaming up, and more.
Hiring only senior engineers is killing companies
Andrew Churchill thinks companies should really be hiring junior engineers, Addy Osmani announces Chrome DevTools MCP, GitHub lays out a roadmap to fend off npm attacks, Jerry Liu builds an app that generates a timeline of your day’s activities, and Sean Goedecke attempts to define “good taste” in the context of software engineering.
Inside Oxide
Bryan Cantrill and Steve Tuck, the co-founders of Oxide, are on the pod live (to tape) from the stage at OxCon. Jerod and I were invited to Oxide’s annual internal conference to meet the people and to hear the stories of what makes Oxide a truly special place to work right now. The best part was this on-stage discussion with Bryan and Steve. Enjoy!
Voices of Oxide
Voices of Oxide on the pod! Cliff Biffle (engineer), Dave Pacheco (engineer), and Ben Leonard (designer) are on the show today. Jerod and I were invited to Oxide’s annual internal conference called OxCon to meet the people and to hear the stories of what makes Oxide a truly special place to work right now.
Cliff Biffle is working on all Hubris and firmware. Cliff says “There’s a lot that happens before the ‘main CPU’ can even power on.” Dave Pacheco is leading the efforts on Oxide’s “Update” system. And Ben Leonard in charge of all things brand and design at Oxide.
An escape route from YAML hell
Adolfo Ochagavía believes we’re approaching the problem of configuration from a flawed starting point, Annie Mueller hits us with a wakeup call about how she reads beginner tutorials, Brian Kihoon Lee spends some time meditating on taste, Namanyay thinks vibe coding is coders braindead, and Can Elma speculates on why AI helps senior engineers more than juniors.


