JS Party
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One last party
Jerod is joined by KBall, Nick & Amy to throw one last JS Party! We review last year’s predictions, discuss the state of the web dev world, opine on coding AIs (of course) & divulge what comes next for the JS Party crew. Thank you for partying with us all these years! 💚
React: then & now
Back at React Summit in New York, KBall & Nick sat down with Tom Occhino & Shruti Kapoor for more fascinating conversations.
Tom Occhino, a key figure in React’s history at Facebook (now Meta), reveals the origin story of React, which began when an ads engineer presented a revolutionary approach to web UI rendering. The discussion extends to React’s evolution through Next.js.
Then, Shruti Kapoor breaks down React 19’s major features, including React Server Components (RSC), the new compiler implementation, and enhanced APIs that promise to streamline development workflows.
WYSIWYG
At React Summit in New York, KBall & Nick sat down with Kent C. Dodds & Theo Browne for two fascinating conversations. Both of them showed us the whole gamut of their personalities!
Kent shared his insights on effective teaching methodologies and the future of developer education, while diving deep into React and the Remix/React Router ecosystem, and closing on an appeal for kindness int he world.
Then Theo took us behind the scenes of his developer-focused content creation, from streaming to the origins of the T3 stack, and how his online persona (including T3!) is “just him”.
Nine pillars of great Node apps
Recently, four pillars of the JavaScript community (James Snell, Natalia Venditto, Michael Dawson & Matteo Collina) teamed up to create a resource that lays out nine principles for doing Node.js right in enterprise environments. On this episode, Natalia & Matteo join Jerod to discuss all nine.
It's all about documentation
Carmen Huidobro joins Amy, KBall & Nick on the show to talk about her work, the importance of writing docs, and her upcoming conference talk at React Summit US!
How Vercel thinks about Next.js
Vercel CPO, Tom Occhino, joins Jerod for a one-on-one covering React & Next’s past, present & future. We discuss the birth of React, Tom’s move to Vercel, deploying Next apps to non-Vercel hosts, React as the next jQuery, the viability of Web Components, Vercel customers getting surprise bills & so much more.
Kind of a big deal
Jerod & the gang play “Twenty” Questions to get to know Amy, review the big Svelte 5 release, discuss commercial open source & get Nick’s report from SquiggleConf!
Digging through Jerod Santo’s tool box
KBall interviews Jerod about the tools he uses in development, podcasting & business. We start with text editors & terminal tools, move to podcast recording & editing tools, discuss the open source podcasting platform Jerod built in Elixir, then finish with tools to run a small business & our approaches to genAI. Oh, and you don’t want to miss Jerod’s Big Confession!
A great horse to bet on
Jerod & KBall discuss a trio of goings on in/around the web dev world: Evan You’s new startup, Matt Mullenweg’s WordPress mess & Ryan Carniato’s WebComponents debate.
Create interactive tutorials the easy way
Tomek Sułkowski from TutorialKit joins Jerod to tell him all about the open source toolkit for creating awesome, interactive tutorials without having to code up the hard parts.
Leveling up JavaScript with Deno 2
Jerod is joined by Ryan Dahl to discuss his second take on leveling up JavaScript developers all around the world. Jerod asks Ryan why not try to fix or fork Node instead of starting fresh, how Deno (the open source project) can avoid the all too common rug pull (not cool) scenario, what’s new in Deno 2 & their pragmatic decision to support npm, they talk JSR, they talk Deno KV & SQLite, they even talk about Ryan’s open letter to Oracle in an attempt to free the unused “JavaScript” trademark from the giant’s clutches.
It's all about the squiggles
Nick is joined by Josh Goldberg & Dimitri Mitropoulos to discuss SquiggleConf, a new conference focused on web dev tooling. We explore the motivations behind creating a conference dedicated to developer tools, the challenges of organizing both conferences and local meetups, and strategies for building engaged tech communities.
We also discuss the importance of developer tooling, the pandemic’s impact on tech events, and share insights on encouraging new speakers and creating inclusive environments & more!
Undirected hyper arrows
Chris Shank has been on sabbatical since January, so he’s had a lot of time to think deeply about the web platform. On this episode, Jerod & KBall pick Chris’ brain to answer questions like, what does a post-component paradigm look like? What would it look like if the browser had primitives for building spatial canvases? How can we make it easier to make “folk interfaces” on the web?
Don’t ever use these TypeScript features
Jerod, Nick & Chris discuss a next-gen JavaScript bundler, Node getting even tighter with TypeScript, the top programming languages according to IEEE Spectrum, Chris’ feelings on Node’s built-in test runner & more!
When 3rd party JavaScript attacks
Simon Wijckmans fromc/side joins Jerod & Nick to discuss the Pollyfill attack in detail. What does it mean for web developers & client-side security going forward?
There be a11y dragons
Eric Bailey joins Jerod to discuss everything Dungeons & Dragons taught him about writing alt text, building accessible websites, Primer, the problem with a11y overlays & more.
Forging Minecraft's scripting API
Raphael Landaverde & Jake Shirley work on Minecraft full-time. How cool is that?! On this episode, they join Jerod to tell us all about the web tech that drives Minecraft’s scripting infrastructure, how they incrementally change a massive / always-moving target, the best / worst parts of the job & much more.
A Nick-level emergency
Node.js makes big TypeScript & SQLite moves, ECMAScript 2024 adds some niceties to the language (but not the ones you’re probably excited for) & we review the State of React 2023 results. Emergency?! Nick!
Going flat with ESLint
Josh Goldberg joins Nick & Chris to discuss the latest updates from ESLint, typescript-eslint & the new flat config format. They also discuss creating reusable configs & project generators before pivoting to talk about a new conference focused on developer tooling. Finally, Chris & Josh talk about the past, present & future of Mocha.
Building LLM agents in JS
KBall and returning guest Tejas Kumar dive into the topic of building LLM agents using JavaScript. What they are, how they can be useful (including how Tejas used home-built agents to double his podcasting productivity) & how to get started building and running your own agents, even all on your own device with local models.
The Ember take on recent hot topics
KBall takes another dive into recent hot topics around reactivity and build systems, this time with three members of the Ember core team. They also talk about some of the reasons why the Ember community has been so long lived, how thinking about upgradeability leads to universality, and how features first built specifically for frameworks make their way into the language specification or universal libraries.
A standard library for JavaScript
Philipp Burckhardt, Athan Reines & the team behindstdlib.io believe in a future in which the web is a preferred environment for numerical computation. They’ve been working toward building that future for over a decade. Thanks to listener, Brian Zelip, Jerod sits down with Philipp to learn all about this excellent effort: where it’s been & where it’s headed.
React Native the Expo way
Jerod sits down with React Native aficionado, Simon Grimm, to catch up on everyone’s favorite native app platform & learn aboutExpo, which Simon thinks isthe way forward for devs building with React Native.
Polypane-demonium
Polypane purveyor Kilian Valkhof joins Nick & Jerod to tell us all about his efforts building a web browser just for web development. We cover it all: from the business concerns, to the technical details, to hisexcellent choice not to use TypeScript! We even sneak in a feature request that already made its way into this excellent dev tool for ambitious web developers.
Should web development need a build step?
We’re back with another spicy YepNope debate! This time, Nick & regular guest Eric Clemmons are arguing that web development should need a build step, while KBall & special guest Amy Dutton argue that we really shouldn’t. Of course, the stance each panelist is taking is assigned ahead of time. Is that how they really feel? Tune in to find out!
11ty goes fully independent
11ty creator Zach Leatherman is taking the open source site generator fully independent in 2024 and he’s back on the pod to tell us why, how & what we all can do to help.
Big Gulps, huh?
Jerod & KBall discuss what’s new in the world of web development: the State of HTML survey results, Node 22, React Compiler, React 19 Beta, vlt.sh & the Gulp (!) Developer Survey.
3D web game dev jam!
Two-timeReact Jammer, Brian Breiholz, joins Jerod & Nick to discuss building 3D games in the browser! We hear of his game jam trials & tribulations, the in-progress game engine he’s building, the dream game he’s been building for a long time & more
From Shoelace to Web Awesome
Shoelace creator Cory LaViska joins Amal & Jess to tell them all about the forward-thinking library of web components that just joined theFont Awesome family to createWeb Awesome.
SSR web components for all
Brian LeRoux joins Jerod to share how theEnhance team are bringing server side rendered web components to everyone. WithEnhance WASM, you author components in friendly, standards based syntax and reuse them across multiple languages, frameworks & servers.

