Calling Py_DecodeLocale() before Py_Initialize() or _Py_InitializeCore() is broken since Python 3.7 if the C locale coercion (PEP 538) or UTF-8 mode (PEP 540) changes the encoding in the middle of _Py_InitializeCore().I added a new phase to the Python initialization inbpo-36142, a new _PyPreConfig structure, which can be used to fix this mojibake issue.The code for embedding Python should look like:---_Py_PreInitialize();_PyCoreConfig config;config.home = Py_DecodeLocale("/path/to/home");_PyInitError err = _Py_InitializeFromConfig(&config);if (_Py_INIT_FAILED(err)) {    _PyCoreConfig_Clear(&config);    _Py_ExitInitError(err);}/* use Python here */Py_Finalize();_PyCoreConfig_Clear(&config);---Except that there is no _Py_PreInitialize() function yet :-)

The "vim" editor embeds Python. It sets the Python home by calling Py_SetPythonHome() with the following code:---    size_t len = mbstowcs(NULL, (char *)p_py3home, 0) + 1;    /* The string must not change later, make a copy in static memory. */    py_home_buf = (wchar_t *)alloc(len * sizeof(wchar_t));    if (py_home_buf != NULL && mbstowcs(    py_home_buf, (char *)p_py3home, len) != (size_t)-1)Py_SetPythonHome(py_home_buf);---ref:https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/14816ad6e58336773443f5ee2e4aa9e384af65d2/src/if_python3.c#L874-L887mbstowcs() uses the current LC_CTYPE locale. Python can select a different filesystem encoding than the LC_CTYPE encoding depending onPEP 538 andPEP 540. So encoding back the Python home to bytes to access to files on the filesystem can fail because of mojibake.The code should by written like (pseudo-code):---_Py_PreInitialize();_PyCoreConfig config;config.home = Py_DecodeLocale(p_py3home);if (config.home == NULL) { /* ERROR */ }_PyInitError err = _Py_InitializeFromConfig(&config);if (_Py_INIT_FAILED(err)) {    _PyCoreConfig_Clear(&config);    _Py_ExitInitError(err);}---The vim case has been discussed at:https://discuss.python.org/t/adding-char-based-apis-for-unix/916/8

By the way, according to Nick Coghlan (author of thePEP 538), Py_Initialize() and Py_Main() called from an application embedding Python should not coerce the C locale.

They weren't *intended* to change it, and didn't in the original implementation of the PEP, but they do in the as-shipped Python 3.7 implementation, and I abandoned my attempts to revert to the as-designed behaviour as impractical given the other changes made forPEP 540. So that's a behavior we're stuck with now: they both have global side effects on the locale of the calling process.

Victor and I were discussing the appropriate behaviour for the "What do we do if _Py_PreInitialize() hasn't been called?" case, and Victor pointed out that the potential for mojibake provides a solid rationale for going back to the Python 3.6 behaviour: disable both C locale coercion *and* UTF-8 mode, and instead leave locale management to the embedding application.That would also get us back to the originally intended behaviour ofPEP 538, where it only happens by default in the CLI app, not the runtime support library. Back when I decided that doing that would be too complicated, the _Py_PreInitialize API didn't exist yet, and it didn't occur to me that the mojibake problem would affect UTF-8 mode as well.

New changesetd929f1838a8fba881ff0148b7fc31f6265703e3d by Victor Stinner in branch 'master':bpo-36443: Disable C locale coercion and UTF-8 Mode by default (GH-12589)https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/d929f1838a8fba881ff0148b7fc31f6265703e3d

My commit disabled C locale coercion and UTF-8 Mode by default when Python is embedded which fix this issue in Python 3.8. I close the issue.