Braytons 100% right after 1 lap should be staggered start
SEEMEFIRST wrote:If you want to see gate malfunctions, hook all those individually to a PLC and have it all relied on sensors, timers, and relays all connected...If you want to see gate malfunctions, hook all those individually to a PLC and have it all relied on sensors, timers, and relays all connected with tiny wires in inhospitable environments.
Then you have to have someone input each rider in the gate he started from and then plug in his timer. That's time consuming and introduces the possibility for mistakes.
Just stagger them, and let's go!
RichieW13 wrote:You wouldn't have to enter them in their original gates. Enter them sequentially. Leader goes in gate 1. 2nd place goes in gate 2, etc. Gate...You wouldn't have to enter them in their original gates. Enter them sequentially. Leader goes in gate 1. 2nd place goes in gate 2, etc. Gate position doesn't matter if the riders are being sent off seconds apart from each other.
But to your point on malfunctions - judging by the leader board on the screen that often goes haywire during the race, they seem to really struggle keeping that running properly.
You'd still have to enter their timers.
That's all way too complicated.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:If you want to see gate malfunctions, hook all those individually to a PLC and have it all relied on sensors, timers, and relays all connected...If you want to see gate malfunctions, hook all those individually to a PLC and have it all relied on sensors, timers, and relays all connected with tiny wires in inhospitable environments.
Then you have to have someone input each rider in the gate he started from and then plug in his timer. That's time consuming and introduces the possibility for mistakes.
Just stagger them, and let's go!
RichieW13 wrote:You wouldn't have to enter them in their original gates. Enter them sequentially. Leader goes in gate 1. 2nd place goes in gate 2, etc. Gate...You wouldn't have to enter them in their original gates. Enter them sequentially. Leader goes in gate 1. 2nd place goes in gate 2, etc. Gate position doesn't matter if the riders are being sent off seconds apart from each other.
But to your point on malfunctions - judging by the leader board on the screen that often goes haywire during the race, they seem to really struggle keeping that running properly.SEEMEFIRST wrote:You'd still have to enter their timers.
That's all way too complicated.
From a PLC logic standpoint it’s really not that complicated, but the reliability of said components to operate the gate, especially in dirty and wet conditions, is the problem. They already have issues with a single, maybe double, manually operated actuator mechanism. Too much for what we are trying to do. Stagger after lap one is the answer.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:If you want to see gate malfunctions, hook all those individually to a PLC and have it all relied on sensors, timers, and relays all connected...If you want to see gate malfunctions, hook all those individually to a PLC and have it all relied on sensors, timers, and relays all connected with tiny wires in inhospitable environments.
Then you have to have someone input each rider in the gate he started from and then plug in his timer. That's time consuming and introduces the possibility for mistakes.
Just stagger them, and let's go!
RichieW13 wrote:You wouldn't have to enter them in their original gates. Enter them sequentially. Leader goes in gate 1. 2nd place goes in gate 2, etc. Gate...You wouldn't have to enter them in their original gates. Enter them sequentially. Leader goes in gate 1. 2nd place goes in gate 2, etc. Gate position doesn't matter if the riders are being sent off seconds apart from each other.
But to your point on malfunctions - judging by the leader board on the screen that often goes haywire during the race, they seem to really struggle keeping that running properly.SEEMEFIRST wrote:You'd still have to enter their timers.
That's all way too complicated.
Maybe then the staggered start and flag guy has head sets and is told when to let each guy go as per live timing last lap completed...still got to be better then so poor guy with 8sec lead gets disadvantaged because of a red flag .
yz133rider wrote:Inbreds in charge of the racing, same inbreds who think c class should be able to run open pro sport lap times in the amateurs…
This would be the fairest way in my view. My whole issue with restarts (in any motor racing) is the gaps are not respected. Also, it seems like there are way more restarts than there used to be... I'm all for safety, but also, lets not also impact the race result. A good example is Roczen gets out early leads the whole race... Sexton blows the start, won't win but a restart is called. Then pips Roczen for the win. Kind of unfair (and now insert "that's racing comment").
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Bow977 wrote:If they cross the timing and scoring once, it should be staggered. You have the times and positions, why would you do a full restart?
Exactly.
Using the ‘time gaps’ sounds easy, until you think it through.
My (perhaps mistaken) understanding is that riders are supposed to stop racing and return to the staging area as soon as red flags are thrown. With riders spread out across the track, there’s really no accurate way of measuring the time gaps, or in some cases who is ‘ahead’ of each other in some corners. The closest thing you could do is revert to the previous completed lap but even that will most likely have issues.
Let’s say that the race is red flagged on lap 3. Rider A has a 5 second lead over everyone at the end of lap 2, but very early on lap 3 he goes down and is passed by 10 riders. Before lap 3 is completed, the race is red flagged for an incident involving Rider B. Should Rider A restart with a 5 second lead over the field even if he was actually running 11th at the time the red flags were thrown?
Either way, it’s probably going to be unliked by someone.
APLMAN99 wrote:Using the ‘time gaps’ sounds easy, until you think it through. My (perhaps mistaken) understanding is that riders are supposed to stop racing and return to the...Using the ‘time gaps’ sounds easy, until you think it through.
My (perhaps mistaken) understanding is that riders are supposed to stop racing and return to the staging area as soon as red flags are thrown. With riders spread out across the track, there’s really no accurate way of measuring the time gaps, or in some cases who is ‘ahead’ of each other in some corners. The closest thing you could do is revert to the previous completed lap but even that will most likely have issues.
Let’s say that the race is red flagged on lap 3. Rider A has a 5 second lead over everyone at the end of lap 2, but very early on lap 3 he goes down and is passed by 10 riders. Before lap 3 is completed, the race is red flagged for an incident involving Rider B. Should Rider A restart with a 5 second lead over the field even if he was actually running 11th at the time the red flags were thrown?
Either way, it’s probably going to be unliked by someone.
Use the most recent timing loops for everyone not the previous lap.
APLMAN99 wrote:Using the ‘time gaps’ sounds easy, until you think it through. My (perhaps mistaken) understanding is that riders are supposed to stop racing and return to the...Using the ‘time gaps’ sounds easy, until you think it through.
My (perhaps mistaken) understanding is that riders are supposed to stop racing and return to the staging area as soon as red flags are thrown. With riders spread out across the track, there’s really no accurate way of measuring the time gaps, or in some cases who is ‘ahead’ of each other in some corners. The closest thing you could do is revert to the previous completed lap but even that will most likely have issues.
Let’s say that the race is red flagged on lap 3. Rider A has a 5 second lead over everyone at the end of lap 2, but very early on lap 3 he goes down and is passed by 10 riders. Before lap 3 is completed, the race is red flagged for an incident involving Rider B. Should Rider A restart with a 5 second lead over the field even if he was actually running 11th at the time the red flags were thrown?
Either way, it’s probably going to be unliked by someone.
Yea thats why just going to a staggered start is fine. Youre never going to be able to get everyone to restart exactly how they were when the red flag happened, but at least getting them in the correct order is the bare minimum that theyre not even doing now by fully restarting.
Dont shoot me for saying this but imagine they did start doing all starts like NASCAR in 2 rows of 11 riders staggering with fastest rider 1st on back.
Without the huge part of the floor spacing being the start straight the track it self could be a LOT Longer.
lumpy790 wrote:Dont shoot me for saying this but imagine they did start doing all starts like NASCAR in 2 rows of 11 riders staggering with fastest rider...Dont shoot me for saying this but imagine they did start doing all starts like NASCAR in 2 rows of 11 riders staggering with fastest rider 1st on back.
Without the huge part of the floor spacing being the start straight the track it self could be a LOT Longer.
But then the inbreds who love the first turn pile ups and carnage of the lappers wrecking every race by only allowing a couple of the top guys to start up front would be upset.
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