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Artist:	Thin Lizzy
Label:	London
Country:	UK
Catalogue:	F 13208
Date:	20 Aug 1971
Format:	Export Issue
Collection:	I Own It I Want It
Community:	2 Own, 8 Want
Price Guide:	Valuation Page
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Track	Artist	Title	Composer	Producer	Rating
A1	Thin Lizzy	Dublin	Lynott, Bell, Downey	Nick Tauber	Rate
A2	Thin Lizzy	Remembering Part II (New Day)	Lynott, Bell, Downey	Nick Tauber	Rate
B1	Thin Lizzy	Old Moon Madness	Lynott	Nick Tauber	Rate
B2	Thin Lizzy	Things Ain't Working Out Down On The Farm	Lynott	Nick Tauber	Rate

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Dougal 17th Jun 2013		Thanks carryonsydney! What I'm struggling with is the fact that only one copy of each item is turning up. I'd have thought that if these were being manufactured in the UK and then being shipped out for use in either the US or Canada, then surely they'd have manufactured a decent quantity. If that was the case, then why are we only seeing the odd copy here or there and why now, why has it taken the best part of 40 years for these to turn up?



Deepinder Cheema 17th Jun 2013		There seem to be a cluster of Canadian candidates around this: L.220 from the available data held here at 45cat. The pressings look distinctly UK despite what the label(s) state.



KeithS SUBS● 17th Jun 2013		I have heard that these were demos sent to London Canada from Decca UK and at that time Canada were using small hole discs with knock-out centres ie not unlike the one pictured here



carryonsidney 17th Jun 2013		Dougal see London Exports



Deepinder Cheema 17th Jun 2013		The handwritten note on label seems to suggest the release was actually a day earlier.



Dougal 17th Jun 2013		Apologies if I'm being stupid here but Dr. Doom says that: "*I'm not sure what the plan behing these curios was but they are interesting and deserve their own page on the database, not least so we can discuss exactly what their origins were*." and for the life of me I can't find this database page that specifically has just these London Export label copies! Can anybody point me in the right direction please. Many thanks.



vinylman 13th Mar 2013		Might have been pressed for US copyright purposes. Before 1972 records were not protected by US Federal law but individually State-by-State. Thin Lizzy (and Them) were usually issued on Sir Edward Lewis' US labels (London, Parrot) but perhaps the legal guys had some copies pressed up on a US London logo 45 to establish copyright in the USA before any official release. Just a theory.



bigtom 14th Dec 2012		Good news on the Lizzy front.The band Thin Lizzy played their last gig under the iconic name at The Olympia Theatre here in Dublin last night.Scott is reported as saying that it was a " touchy subject " for some people. That in my opinion was putting it mildly to say the least.Philip Lynott was Thin Lizzy with no disrespect to the other members. End of story.



Felonious 21st May 2012		ah you've got me.



Dr Doom SUBS 21st May 2012		They'rehere



Felonious 21st May 2012		So where are the UK Decca demos?



bigtom 21st May 2012		I will go along with that and for what it is worth the fact that it came with a Canadian London sleeve i can accept that as well.This is the only known copy that we know of and no doubt there are a few more hidden away somewhere just like the US London stock 45s ??? .



Dr Doom SUBS 21st May 2012		Sorry but I'm going to over-rule this one. I think these should be listed as London and as Export. There are now a few examples and I don't buy the idea that there were no Decca labels at the printers so they just used London ones instead. I'm not sure what the plan behing these curios was but they are interesting and deserve their own page on the database, not least so we can discuss exactly what their origins were. My personal guess is that they were UK manufactured for use as promos in overseas markets (Where most Decca 45s were released on the 'other' London label)



Felonious 21st May 2012		I think this is a demo forF 13208 printed on a London blank and should be added as such to the UK issue.. Anyone searching for it under "Thin Lizzy" "New day" and "F13208" will find it. Whilst its owner has written 8 19 71 on it the label itself has the UK style printed date of 20-08-71. I think the images should be moved and a note added.



bigtom 20th May 2012		I do not want to drag up an old chestnut but seeing that another London ( Decca ) promo has just been added has anyone else any views on this. I am quite happy just to have it in my collection as a quirky promo.



Dr Doom SUBS 28th Feb 2012		It seems at this point that we're stil trying to work out exactly what this record is. Quite possibly as you've suggested a simple case of the wrong 'blank' labels being used or a very rare demo intended for a non-UK territory (possibly Canada) I changed it over to Export issue so that it wouldn't appear in the main Thin Lizzy and London discographies as we're not sure exactly what it is, it seemed like the best solution.



David M. McKee 28th Feb 2012		Yes, it was me who suggested it. Somehow I just can't see this as a UK release or a London release. If as someone suggested that it's a Canadian demo, then perhaps it could go under London Canada.



Dr Doom SUBS 28th Feb 2012		We've had a suggestion that we change this over to Decca but I have to disagree. We can have both on the website. The label clearly says London which is what the average music fan would think is the label. Most folks don't know about blanks and suchforth. We'd have even more suggestions of correction if we displayed labels that said London and had the single listed as Decca. It's a confusing situation made more confusing!



KeithS SUBS● 28th Feb 2012		A demo sent to the French part of Canada where European habits still applied???



BEATLEJOHN 1st Jun 2011		Not great...but good enough to know if a sleeve is from the States or not..although the serrated top of the sleeve bag is common on Canadian sleeves....(not so much on US sleeves, though there are a few...mostly from the 50's)........John



bigtom 1st Jun 2011		The guy has the Sunchariot single as Canadian so i assume the London sleeve shown is a Canadian London sleeve.How are you on Canadian sleeves John ?



BEATLEJOHN 1st Jun 2011		That's not a US London sleeve!........ John



davie gordon 1st Jun 2011		Hmmm - it's been dinked and it's in a London bag .. hell, I don't know :)



davie gordon 1st Jun 2011		Good point, Tom. Then again the label copy shows the UK publisher details - I was under the impression that US stations were not allowed to play any record that didn't show the name US publisher and it's BMI/ASCAP/SESAC affiliation. So even if they could physically play the promo copy they wouldn't be allowed because of that restriction. I don't know if it was a legal requirement but it was certainly the policy at bigger stations not to play records that didn't show BMI or ASCAP. It still looks like a screwup to me.



bigtom 1st Jun 2011		Note the date written 8 / 19 / 71 just the same way as it would be written in the US and not the UK.



davie gordon 1st Jun 2011		My guess is it's just a screwup at the pressing or printing plant where they've mistakenly printed the details for Decca F13208 on a London blank label. If it had been been meant to be exported to the US or Canada they'd have had to dink the centre - if discs with a UK centre had been sent to a US or Canadian radio station they'd have trouble playing it ... which kinda defeats the purpose.



bigtom 1st Jun 2011		There is a similiar copy of a Decca Promo by Sunchariot up on ebay at the moment i cannot do the link perhaps some other catter can do it .The guy states in his ad that it is Canadian.I asked how he knew but alas still awaiting a reply.



carey jeggs 28th May 2011		Also at the beginning of the sixties Decca group singles cost 6s/4d when the others cost 6/-. This might require an extra week's pocket money.If somebody gave you an EMI record token it had to be used for an EMI record back then and there was no Stateside and Top Rank was still independent.



big swifty 28th May 2011		Yes. I believe everybody was waiting for Sir Edward to die. It looks like Jonathan ended his tenure at Decca because of the demise of the great man. Even now I find Decca a great mystery, which when considering how magnificent this label was in terms of how superb the discs were; and how collectable and un- collectable and how diverse the label was. I wish there were labels like this today.



carey jeggs 28th May 2011		I still have Stuart Colman's Radio 2 documentary series about London American on four C90 cassettes.I will have to listen again to confirm this but as I remember it King met Sir Edward Lewis (or God as Bunny Lewis called him) in a lift and started telling him what was wrong with the way London American was being run.Sir Edward was so impressed by King's forthrightness that he appointed him label manager,a post that he held until the end in 1982.



big swifty 28th May 2011		If anybody has any idea about the machinations about Decca in the 1970's. It will be Jonathan King. I believe he ran part of the company for Sir Edward Lewis during the 1970's. So if anyone is passing through Bayswater he would make a really good interview. I had no idea about his boardroom involvement until I read Clive Selwoods book.



KeithS SUBS● 28th May 2011		F 12175 Them..theres a London demo there to look at..why do I Remember something about the Canadian market????



David M. McKee 28th May 2011		Hard to believe they'd produce a US demo for a record that wasn't released.



bigtom 28th May 2011		David i have added the same promo on the Decca label so you can compare them both.Apart from the labels everything else is the same .Hard to believe they would press it on the London label for the UK having already pressed it on the Decca label. All opinions welcome.Tom



David M. McKee 28th May 2011		Was it really for US release or is it just a demo for Decca F13208 on a London blank? Demos for other labels have appeared on the London label - I have one for Bobby Darin's 'Milord' which was released on Atlantic in the UK.



bigtom 28th May 2011		Can i have your opinions on this please.



bigtom 15th Sep 2010		Most unusual UK pressing for the USA market.It carries the UK Decca cat # print and layout exactly the same as the UK New Day EP also uploaded to compare.The Lizzy Decca singles were issued on the London label in the USA.This never got an actual release in the USA.I can only assume it was cheaper to press them in the UK on the London label and export.

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