Meltdown at Scienceblogs.com – bloggers jumping ship
UPDATE: Luboš Motl finds some interesting tidbits about the state of science at Sb, see below the “Continue reading” line.
UPDATE2: PZ Myers ends his “strike” and flames me, see response in Update2 below.
Many WUWT readers are familiar with some blogs that reside at Sb. For example there’s Wikipedia edit master, William Connolley’s “Stoat-taking Science by the throat“, Tim Lambert’s “Deltoid“, and some others like the well knownPharyngula by the ever grouchy PZ. Myers. It’s all good fun to read.
But, now there’s quite an exodus occurring at the scienceblogs.com conglomerate. Just look at the front page for today and the list of bloggers leaving or expressing concerns:
What’s happened? Well it all started with the parent company, SEED, allowing the Pepsi Company to start a blog on nutrition. Some bloggers went ballistic, perceiving that SEED caved to the almighty dollar and let some evil corporation into the sacred science temple.
Newsflash: SEED is a business. TheGuardian did a story on the Sb blogger anger, and Sb was faced with a mass revolt. The SEED management didn’t handle it well enough or fast enough for some bloggers tastes, even thoughthey removed the PepsiFood Frontiers blog. The result: 15 Sb bloggers upped and quit in protest. Here’sthe content they are protesting.
As PZ Myers writes atPharyngula, it is getting worse, more bloggers are leaving, and he’son strike with a list of demands for the Sb management.

Meyers writes:
It’s come to this. We’ve been facing a steady erosion of talent here at Scienceblogs, with the loss of good people like Carl Zimmer and Ed Yong a while back, and with the very abrupt departure of 15 bloggers after the recent PepsiCo debacle — an event that damaged the reputation of this place. And now just yesterday we lost PalMD and Bora. Something is going rotten here. What could it be?
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Just in the time it took me to write this up this morning,Superbug,Zuska, andSpeakeasy Science have all announced their departures, andCasaubon’s Book is considering it. We really are having a serious crisis of confidence, and Seed has to wake up and take action.
AddMike Dunford to the list of departures.
Sb is crumbling fast. It seems to be the season for things crumbling. I wonder though, how many of those indignant bloggers that couldn’t handle a PepsiCo sponsored nutrition blog actually consume many of PepsiCo’s brands and don’t know it? There’sa lot of brands, Doritos and Mountain Dew for example. What blogger can do without those?
And PepsiCo has a lot of green brands, likeEthos Water that helps children get clean water worldwide.
And who could argue with the greenness and innovation of PepsiCo stuff like this?
Point is that the bloggers who resigned in protest over a nutrition blog probably consume some of these things and don’t even know who makes it.
But what is really funny is how the new Food Frontiers blog was presented by SEED management in the first place:
As part of this partnership, we’ll hear from a wide range of experts on how the company is developing products rooted in rigorous, science-based nutrition standards to offer consumers more wholesome and enjoyable foods and beverages. The focus will be on innovations in science, nutrition and health policy. In addition to learning more about the transformation of PepsiCo’s product portfolio, we’ll be seeing some of the innovative ways it is planning to reduce its use of energy, water and packaging.
Oh the humanity! Lots of tolerance over there at Sb.
I’ll give this piece of advice we always used to give in the TV Newsroom to people calling in that demanded we remove/edit/censure certain news stories, TV shows, or advertisements:
I understand your concerns, thank you, there’s no need to yell. Respectfully, if you don’t like the content, change the channel, we don’t force you to watch.
I find the whole Sb revolt thing hilarious. It’s a tempest in a pop can. Of course, PepsiCo could have defused this whole thing simply by making an announcement to stop putting deadly earth killing CO2 in their sodas, and instead sequestering it out back, underground. Then they’d be heroes, right?
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UPDATE:Luboš Motl finds some interesting tidbits about the state of science at Sb:
To demonstrate that scienceblogs.com has almost nothing to do with science these days, let us look at the five most active articles on their server, according to the main page of scienceblogs.com:
1.Episode LXXXII: Is this the thread for the tea party?… P.Z. Myers just included a would-be funny video that attacks the tea party movement
2.Monckton vs The House of Lords… Tim Lambert wrote a short text discussing purely the form, not the content, of some exchanges of Lord Monckton with the deputies
3.What fresh torment can we perpetrate on young girls?… P.Z. Myers discusses breast ironing in Cameroon and argues it occurs because the inhabitants are Catholics
4.Boyd Haley finally does the right thing, but is it for the wrong reasons?… Orac celebrates that the ScienceBlogs surrendered to the commies like him in PepsiGate; it’s discussed that evil companies are adding drugs to food
5.GOP Talking Points Even GOP Doesn’t Believe… Ed Brayton about Bush tax cuts. Doesn’t even pretend to be science
As you can see, science is virtually non-existent over there and everything is biased left-wing politics. But they still have the breathtaking arrogance to attack PepsiCo’s scientific blog on nutrition as insufficiently scientific for them.
Compare the above postings to theFood Frontiers blog now at PepsiCo’s website.
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UPDATE2: Predictably, the always angry PZ Myers goes zerkers over this post. He thinks I don’t understand the issue of “ethics of keeping advertising separate from content”. Um Newsflash there PZ. I spent 25 years in a TV and radio newsrooms, don’t lecture me about keeping infomercials off the news. I’ve fought that battle. But as I pointed out and PZ missed, if people don’t like infomericals, they can turn off the TV or switch the channel. The organized rant that forced SEED to remove the PepsiCo Food Frontiers blog denies readers their right to choose. That’s so uncool but typical for people like PZ that think people shouldn’t be allowed to choose for themselves. Just look at his religious hatreds he posts regularly. No science there, just hate.
Also, without citing a single sentence he claims I have particular take, that the reason for the exodus is that people don’t like PepsiCo products. Well noooooo, if you’d read it rather than engage your typical hateful knee jerk keyboard pounding reaction, you see it was a question.
I wonder though, how many of those indignant bloggers that couldn’t handle a PepsiCo sponsored nutrition blog actually consume many of PepsiCo’s brands and don’t know it?
It seems he’s ended his “strike” (he’s been posting the last couple of days), now he’s busyspiting me for noticing him at all. Next time I’ll just ignore him.
Some class act that PZ. He is the face of Sb today, so sad that science is co-marketed with anger and hate there.
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UPDATE3: see my detailed comment below
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Oh my God!
I’ve been eating Doritos, will I go to hell for that?
I had a beer with them, instead of a Pepsi, will that buy me some discount time in the Fire?
I ate some…Farted…we’re all gonna die!!!!!
mmmmmmmmmm Mug Rootbeer. I had no idea that Pepsi was owner of Dole Juices, nor do I really care beyond knowing that fact.
Who peed in their Wheeties…wait is that a Pepsi product too?
I’ve got nothing against junk-food (having consumed so much in my life), so long as it doesn’t try and pass itself off as something else. In my opinion the pepsico nutrition blog is at root a bit dishonest in its aims. If SEED is a business, they need to think a bit more clearly about who their customers are if they want to survive to next year, rather than on ill-advised short-term profit maximization. Businesses don’t deserve profit, they have to earn it. If they make too many mistakes they die. It’s called a free market.
Pepsi running a science blog, hilarious,..”everyone knows Pepsi is what makes plants grow…it’s got electrolytes”
“Scientists spit dummy out of pram and suck mountain dew instead”
“Scientists without borders discover the domino effect”
I also think that this is a tempest in a pop can. However I don’t understand some of the reasonings presented here. I also drink coke and pepsi and eat many not-very-healthy things, and it doesn’t mean that I think that they are healthy. It only means that their unhealthiness is not an important issue for me at the time I eat them. However, I will feel totally outraged if these companies “pretend” that they care about the health of their customers. No, they don’t. If they say that they do, they’re lying. And I may not care that they play somewhat with my health, but I won’t tolerate that they also lie in their customers’ faces. Because I may not care, but maybe others do.
So perhaps these people are overreacting, but they do have a point.
This is kind of a silly post, and perhaps it’s meant as such. I read (or used to read) a couple of Sb blogs, and I think it’s pretty clear that the bloggers weren’t objecting to the mere existence of Pepsico, they were objecting to SEED allowing Pepsico to use an Sb blog as an infomercial space. It doesn’t follow that any such blogger is a hypocrite if they drink Pepsi.
To use your TV analogy, the bloggers are just saying “we don’t like your content and if it persists, we’re going to change channels”. SEED managment can either take note of that or not – all fair and above board.
Was this the excuse the SB bloggers were waiting for to abondon the sinking AGW ship?
Every company (and NGO for that matter) that has jumped on the greeny beeny CO² wagon has done it for money. That includes Soros, greenpeas, friends of the earth, etc. It’s all for money, guys. Wake up and smell the roses.
You dumbos who run around protesting for these people need to get a life and get educated in life.
You have to love a narrow minded over-reaction based on your own assumptions, at no point does pepsico say they are going to tell pepsi is good for you. They do say;
The focus will be on innovations in science, nutrition and health policy.
Which doesn’t seem unreasonable for a large company with a huge portfolio in today’s world
oops – didn’t get the italics right
The CO2 is the least of the worries on soda. Do not even get me started on Aspartame I could rant all week!!!
I’m with a couple of the commenters above. I don’t mind PepsiCo. I generally don’t buy their stuff, but I have no moral objection to doing so.
I’ve followed the resignations, and I can see why it might push someone over the edge (I suspect most of the defections were not caused by this alone BTW) if scientific neutrality is a big thing for them.
For many of the bloggers on Sb the fact that they are accused of being “Big Pharma” shills is a real issue. Of course they are not – no more than Anthony is a shill for “Big Oil”. But if Sb is going to contain “blogs” thatare shills for industry, then the mud is going to be a whole lot clingier.
There’s no way Anthony could afford to have WUWT be sponsored by Shell or Exxon. Even if they let him total editorial control it would look too suspicious. I wouldn’t buy it. In the same way the science bloggers need to be totally above suspicion as being bought by industrial concerns. It looks like a little matter, until you investigate what is actually behind the concerns.
This is different to sponsorship. I have no issue with “industry” as such. If they sponsor the NZ Provincial Rugby Championships it will endear me to them, and Imight buy more of their junk. But the sponsorship better have no ring of influence.
MMmmm all this CO 2 molecules running in our brains after having a Pepsi…
They should be blacklisted too….
[sarcasm off]
Pepsi? I hit the TAB button.. now where is it?? Oh wait.. no time for that.. the computer’s starting!
Some people have to gripe about everything.
Sure some corporations have done terrible things in the past, and time to time still do some bad things. But on the whole, they are very responsible and have made our lives immensely better.
Take a look at the list of products. I see many there that I enjoy on a daily basis. Let the people decide for themselves if they want or don’t want to buy.
The eco-zealots are so out to lunch (and often with Pepsi products).
What interests me is that many of the blogs on ScienceBlogs are not about science. Pharyngula is not about evolutionary biology (because PZ writes about that on “The Panda’s Thumb”), its about PZ being as offensive as possible to religious believers of various sorts (and I’m not religious, just to let people know).
PZ Meyers at least writes well, even if most of the time he writes too angry. Its a wonder he doesn’t develop stomach ulcers or boils to the skin. He even encourages angry discourse on the blog – but maybe he has an enlarged spleen or something because I can’t manage it for that length of time without nausea.
Tim Lambert’s blog isn’t about science – its about the character assassination of people that Tim disagrees with, mixed with a good helping of historical revisionism and really bad scientific comprehension (and cheered on by people even more clueless than Tim). Its densely argued nonsense that one could spend a good lifetime trying to catalogue all of the mistakes – only to get blocked by Timmy for annoying him.
William Connelley’s blog is about science with rigid blinkers on. No variation of view from what WMC believes is allowed. He thinks Wikipedia is too conservative now that they’ve rumbled him.
The Denialism blog takes that whole idea one stage further to accusing anyone who disagrees with the author’s political views on science policy as morally depraved – a religious concept if ever there was one.
What Scienceblogs does demonstrate is that most academics don’t automatically make very good writers (or even thinkers). But they do have monster egos. And they do bitterly resent outsiders standing on their educational lawns.
Scienceblogs is also solidly politically far left-of-centre. No variation at all. (Note: not liberal). The commentary is mostly classical late 19th Century Marxist and politically correct to the n-th degree. Its gets very boring after a while.
I like reading a range of viewpoints (which is why I like WUWT, because I can mock quite a few of them safely), so scienceblogs is like an occasional dip in the swimming pool with the enormous wave machine on – fun, but tiring and after a while you just want a quiet swim.
This is too funny – except it suggests the way they want their world to be. Would they have been up in arms if Ben and Jerry’s or Stonyfield Farm (NE Organic Yogurt)had sponsored the nutrition site? Hold on, didn’t Ben and Jerry sell out to Unilever? The money grubbers did. We can’t have those Capitalist swines at Unilever sullying the science, even if they are Europeans.
Ken Hall says:
July 23, 2010 at 3:28 am
How about corn syrup sugar?
I like the ads put on by the corn syrup sugar industry demonstrating ‘moderate’ consumption of corn syrup sugar is fine.
I agree, moderate consumption of anything is fine. Only problem is defining moderate.
I’ve decided, on a strictly personal basis, a 16 ounce serving of Pepsi per week is ‘moderate’. No consumption of processed foods in the house is ‘moderate’. Well, except for those stray bags of pretzels or potato chips. I try to eat at places where the food is obviously fresh, but there are times the occasional fast food meal, sans the soft drink is ok. Bread has gone down in my diet. My favorite food too. Too many carbs.
By the way, whatever happened to people deciding for themselves what they will eat or drink? If the stuff is bad for them, so what?
Nylo: July 23, 2010 at 2:54 am
However, I will feel totally outraged if these companies “pretend” that they care about the health of their customers. No, they don’t. If they say that they do, they’re lying. And I may not care that they play somewhat with my health, but I won’t tolerate that they also lie in their customers’ faces. Because I may not care, but maybe others do.
So perhaps these people are overreacting, but they do have a point.
It’s more a reaction to having a representative of the vile,bourgeois, manufacturosyndicalist cabal intrude into the *purity* of their site — it forced them to face the Inconvenient Truth that somebody has to pay the rent.
Which is why I get a chuckle when I see outraged commenters demanding that Anthony change WUWT to conform with *their* points of view…
“Some bloggers went ballistic, perceiving that SEED caved to the almighty dollar and let some evil corporation into the sacred science temple“…
Ahhh, the cluelessness of leftists is manifest yet again…
So what if SEED was taking money from Pepsi?
Its not like bandwidth (plus assorted hardware & software) were free…
Hey, Pepsigeddon has been no easy thing:
http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/2010/07/tempests_teacups_and_the_futur.php
You might remember Joe D’Aleo who recently posted here why he couldn’t move ICECAP to a more friendly platform which would allow commenting. I think he said he has thousands of articles which would have to move somehow without being lost.
My local banks are still using 1980’s software because of the nightmare that transferring to new software would represent. Fossilised blogs are just a new Y2K-like result of this rising tyranny of the electron!
Amen to John A. So much on there has so little to do with science anyway . . .
Kind of comical to see the hysteria induced.
This has nothing to do with outrage over health concerns just as the science of global warming has nothing to do with concerns about the planet. The truth is, wherever Coke and Pepsi are ascendent, western culture is as well. So perhaps this is really an argument pitting Aristotle against Marx.
I drink Coke and Pepsi, and lead an active and healthy lifestyle in a vibrant community that embraces the western tradition.