Questions about BISHOP Nukiges
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| #1 byInWaitForHimeko 2022-07-21 at 22:42 | <report >Was thinking to give a BISHOP nukige a try. But i got some questions: Are the games from BISHOP mostly focused to rape the girls, make them your sex slaves and nothing else? Not even a tiny bit of romance? Are the MCs just "villains" or do they have a reasons why they do it? Mostly curious whats the appeal about BISHOP games besides the good Art. Because of the plot? Also are all their games like this? Basically just choose the one where u like the character design the most?Last modified on 2022-07-30 at 13:49 |
| #2 byweter 2022-07-22 at 00:47 | <report >I've only read theseSansha Mendan ~Rensa Suru Chijoku Choukyou no Gakuen~,Kazoku ~Haha to Shimai no Kyousei~. It seems there are some vns without or almost without rape. Although in general the whole point of each title is that protagonist gets into an environment of beautiful chicks and just wants to fuck them all and make them his sluts. I personally see some romance in general, but it's more after he makes girls his whores because even though the MC does whatever he wants with the chicks. But after he makes them his own they don't turn straight into livestock, but quite remain themselves just give all of themselves with joy to the MC. And the MC does not directly treat them as trash but rather as servants, quite caring about them (in the endings at least). Also in some VNs there are already heroines who have known the MC for a long time love MC and know what he is like and help MC in his rape plans. Although always the MC turns girls into his whores with the help of rape and blackmail which may not be super nice because literally all first rapes go through pain and tears instead of pleasure. Although all plots are similar in motivation and objectives, it still depends on the writers how interesting the plot will be, I will say that I liked the plot in Sansha Mendan much more because it protagonist makes plans to get to know girls and makes preparations for rape where they go, what they like, their weaknesses etc., also, girls don't just sit back but try to get revenge (if you don't watch out, you'll end up with a bad bad ending), and in Kazoku protagonist just goes raping says not to resist or else he rapes her sister/daughter, nothing interesting. |
| #3 bymolester 2022-07-22 at 01:00 | <report >^This. Bishop games should be described as "wholesome rapeges". It involves corruption of heroines, but in a healthy way every red blooded male would do. |
| #4 bykratoscar2008 2022-07-22 at 03:53 | <report >Well to me the appeal is the art and that eventually the girls enjoy it. I really dont fap much to the rape scenes but when they already fall. I think its important to note that there is a divide in the games which can be divided into pre and post Mesu Kyoushi 3. In pre MK3 BISHOP games they are a little more mean. Like in pre MK3 you are likely to find at least ONE girl who MC lets other dudes or animals fuck the girls (Particularly if they were blonde heroines) and they are either career rapists or just do it for the sake of corruption. Mesu Kyoushi 3 was their first rape themed game they made where 2 things happen: all the girls fuck no one but MC and the heroines and protagonist show hints of love. Like only one heroine calls him Master which kind of downplays the usual Master/Slave dynamic. In the ending there is a sweet moment where the heroine show they love the MC and the tsundere MC also does but doesnt admit (It even has a sweet music when this happens). Another change is that usually the MC now tends to start and end their rape spree in the same game. As I said, before the MC usually has a past of rape and discarding slaves which makes them more despicable and in turn makes the games more mean themed. So now protags usually have a reason why they start doing the rape and usually have more redeemable characters. Like in Shihai no Kyoudan 1 where MC is an orphan, so that plays into the pregnancy confessions where all the heroines basically tell MC they will raise the baby themselves but MC's pride and because of him being an orphan, they take responsibility and try to improve as a person in order to take care of the girls and the baby. Pre MK3 games have MC's take responsibility but its usually because of a Master code they have rather than the heroines/babies themselves. Anyways If you want to get into BISHOP I recommend trying MK3 and 4, Shihai no Kyoudan 1, Houkago 3, Kazoku Haha and Chijoku no Seifuku 1. I think these are the best as the MCs tend to be nicer in general, at least towards the end. The only game you should avoid is Ura Kyoushi and Mesu Kyoushi 2. Those MCs are truly despicable and they have no qualms letting other dudes fuck their girls. |
| #5 byppp 2022-07-22 at 03:56 | <report >I've always had the same question I guess, never really been into "rapege's" so I've never really given BISHOP a chance. That being said, I have always wondered if there were any modern BISHOP games that weren't "forceful" or kept it at a minimal (relatively). Point me in their direction, thank you! |
| #6 bykratoscar2008 2022-07-22 at 04:01 | <report >I mean they have some vanilla games. You can play those. The only game that is not heavily rape themed is probably the latest Chikan (Train molestation) game where MC rather than raping, he can mind read and find out what sexual actions gets the heroines horny so they cant resist MC's teasing which leads to sex. |
| #7 byppp 2022-07-22 at 04:27 | <report >#6 oh wow i didnt realize that some of their older stuff was vanilla, thanks! |
| #8 byInWaitForHimeko 2022-07-22 at 08:03 | <report >#2 #4 Thank you very much for the detailed information! So basically its not just a rape game to make the girls as your slaves and then treat them as trash but it gets rather "wholesome" when they fall. Well, I wasnt planning to read anything of pre MK3 BISHOP because of the whole animal and other dudes fucking them... I will give it a try. Got 2 more questions: How is the MC in Shihai no Kyoudan 2? Overall the girls design look the best to me. And the MCs in the Kutsujoku series? Since there are no reviews, can mostly ask it here :/ |
| #9 bysd1 2022-07-22 at 08:52 | <report >Snk2 is pretty similar to SNK1. So similar beats The KTJK Mc on the other hand, especially the first, is the absolute worst. The latter two ones are better, so avoid the first at all cost |
| #10 byInWaitForHimeko 2022-07-22 at 09:01 | <report >#9 Thank you very much. Glad to hear that Snk2 MC is similar to Snk1. Out of curiosity could you tell why i should avoid KTJK? I dont mind if you spoiler me :) |
| #11 byflvbycjctnheheh 2022-07-22 at 09:27 | <report > Are the MCs just "villains" or do they have a reasons why they do it? It seems no one answered this question. I didn't play all of their games, but those that I did complete had some heroines that were total bitches to the MC. From what I've noticed, most of their games have 1-2 of those. And I personally liked their routes/stories the most. The appeal was about defeating arrogant and/or evil women by giving them uncontrollable pleasure. I felt sorry for some of the girls (the nice ones), but in the end they were happy to be with the protagonist and serve him (so he did a good deed by evil means, lol), their interactions post-corruption were rather cute.Last modified on 2022-07-22 at 09:28 |
| #12 bykratoscar2008 2022-07-22 at 14:43 | <report >#10 Basically he uses his power for revenge. Its also one of the few games where the heroine never enjoys the sex until the last scene for a few girls and harem end Its the opposite of your average BISHOP, in fact the pregnancy confessions are the girls finding out they are pregnant AND BEING SAD OR DOWNRIGHT MISERABLE for it. I specially hated how the blue hair girl was treated as her theme is sadism but without the heroine having masochistic tendencies and in the end it shows she is constantly in fear of the next sex/torture session. So MC is more pathetic than the usual BISHOP MC but also he is unable to corrupt the girls. #11 Well in pre MK3 is usually "I am a career rapist and now these are my next targets" or at least similar. The later games are a little different like one who is going to be fired so he decides to fuck the schoolgirls he has lusted for, because of a supressed feeling of seeing his step family as women which he acts on when he finds out his father is cheating on his step mom or MC enacting revenge on his uncle for treating his nephew as a tool, etc. You cant just say they are nice because they rape but at least they look out for their women. Like in the aforementioned SnK1 and in CnS where MC cucks a guy and he keeps the cuck's children instead of discarding them. Just an anecdote my favorite route in any BISHOP game is in CnS in Hina's route. Mainly because of Hina's attitude makes it easier to handle her rape if you are a newbie and when she is corrupted she retains most of her personality and it has funny moments like she not respecting him as Master at all or when MC gets scammed she thinks he is an idiot but plays along for sex. |
| #13 bysd1 2022-07-22 at 17:05 | <report >Honestly, I'll even defend the ones pre MK3, since most of the gangbang are at most with one scene (MK2 is the exception, and even then the harem scene is sex with protag only). At the very least, the MC takes care of the girl after they're pregnant and develops a genuine fondness for his slaves. I'd still reccomand them, just skip the gangbang. |
| #14 byInWaitForHimeko 2022-07-22 at 17:30 | <report >#12 Thank you very much! I will avoid Kutsujoku 1. That sounds just horrible. How much better are the MCs in 2 & 3 though? Honestly, I wish there was some kind of information beforehand about the Protagonist. Especially since most of their games are rated really high. Well, I added those in my List: MK 3 & 4 (Mesu Kyoushi) SnK 1 & 2 (Shihai no Kyoudan) Kazoku ~Haha to Shimai no Kyousei~ CnS (Chijoku no Seifuku) Any other noteable ones w/o a shit/ass MC like in KTJK 1?Last modified on 2022-07-22 at 17:44 |
| #15 bysd1 2022-07-22 at 18:24 | <report >Most of the MC are fine. The reason people hate the KTJK1 MC is due to the fact that girls don't get broken, which makes him look bad. I'd also reccomand Reijou Kanritou/Kyoiku Shidou/Sansha Mendan Especially Sandha Mendan since it the only one with an english translation |
| #16 byInWaitForHimeko 2022-07-22 at 18:46 | <report >#15 with most of the MC? do you mean KTJK 2 and 3 or in general? Kyoiku Shidou is a no because animal sex even if its avoidable, i just dislike the idea.Last modified on 2022-07-22 at 19:14 |
| #17 bysd1 2022-07-22 at 19:15 | <report >Just in general. Really the Animal scene is just one scene is Kyoiku Shidou. Yeah it's gross, but its completely avoidable |
| #18 bykratoscar2008 2022-07-22 at 19:48 | <report >Well in Kyouku Shidou the blonde gets all the sharing and animal fucking (MC does use animals on other girls but they arent fucking, like say uses some octopi to suck a girl's nipples). Seems like there was a cuck writer who would always been given on girl to satisfy the cuck fetish. Luckily they were kicked out but sadly we lost Kagami around that time too). I understand not playing it because of that though. I ignored Ura Kyoushi completely because the best girl, the teacher, was given gangbang scenes as part of her story so I call the game Ura Cuckyoushi. |
| #19 bysd1 2022-07-22 at 20:06 | <report >Dude to this day i think people are overblowing that scene in Ura Kyoushi. I find it so god damn dumb. |
| #20 bykratoscar2008 2022-07-22 at 20:18 | <report >How is it dumb not wanting the MC to be a cuck or the girls to getting fucked by other dudes. |
| #21 bysd1 2022-07-22 at 20:29 | <report >The dumbness is that it literally only happened to one heroine, and act like this happened to every girl. And more for insisting on it. |
| #22 bykratoscar2008 2022-07-22 at 23:53 | <report >Well I was only interested in her and not Asagi. So when she was the one gangbanged the game became irrelevant to me. In the other games at least I cared about 70% of the cast but Ura Cuckyoushi's blue, orange and blonde did nothing for me. So yeah only 1 heroine was good for me once we got teacher out of the way. Anyways I am sure that OP wont care to play it as the MC is the most dislikeable of the protags.Last modified on 2022-07-23 at 00:01 |
| #23 bysd1 2022-07-23 at 03:15 | <report >eh the most dislikeable will always be KTJK. Even those who allow the gangbang, at least the girl is broken, the KTJK1 can't even do that |
| #24 byInWaitForHimeko 2022-07-23 at 12:13 | <report >One more question how long are usually there games to finish? Are they rather short or long? 10h? 20h? |
| #25 byflvbycjctnheheh 2022-07-24 at 05:12 | <report >@20 Lol, dude. To be cucked you first need to have romantic feelings towards someone. If you develop romantic feelings towards girls in a rape-focused nukige, then there's something wrong with you. When you treat a girl just like a toy to satisfy your lust, you don't really care about her fucking other dudes. Guess what, in many netori games, when you fuck someone's wife, she's also having sex with her husband. The same goes for netorare games. The difference between the cuck and the guy who cucks him is purely in the mind. In reality they both fuck the same woman. If you identify yourself as a man who fucks, not a man who dates, then you honestly don't care if a girl has other dudes. Because you know that she belongs to you anyway. Making your girl fuck other dudes, in this case, is just a power move. It's actually someone that people practice IRL as a part of their BDSM play, when dominant shares his submissive to humiliate her.Last modified on 2022-07-24 at 05:12 |