RFD discussion: December 2015–February 2016

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Rfd-redundant: “(reflexive) to commit suicide”

Not a distinct sense, just the primary sense (“to kill”) used with a reflexive pronoun (“oneself”). —Ungoliant^(falai)18:16, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Personally, I think it might be appropriate as a subsense. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds}18:32, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

From what I understand, I would delete it as redundant to 'to kill' with specific pronoun 'se'.Renard Migrant (talk)20:34, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Delete, not a separate sense, maybe add as one of the examples of sense #1.Siuenti (talk)20:58, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

It's one of those if you just removed it unilaterally I don't think anyone wouldbat an eyelid.Renard Migrant (talk)11:03, 14 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

You’re right. Too late now. —Ungoliant^(falai)12:10, 14 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Absolutelykeep. I don't understand the reasoning. You can say the say of almost all reflexive verbs; it's normal in translating dictionaries to translate the reflexive sense separately, especially when, as here, there is a different common translation.Ƿidsiþ12:56, 19 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

That’s not true at all. If that were true, every Portuguese-English dictionary would suddenly have twice as many senses for transitive verbs. —Ungoliant^(falai)16:03, 19 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Not so really; dictionaries won't list Frenchse tuer separately totuer because the translation is the same ("to kill") just the direct object isse. Not lexically any different totuer un homme(“to kill a man”) which simply has a different direct object.Renard Migrant (talk)17:33, 19 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Delete Otherwise, why don't we have a reflexive sense atkill? In this caseoneself is pretty much analogous tose. See alsoTalk:kill oneself.Chuck Entz (talk)18:23, 19 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Delete --Daniel Carrero (talk)17:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Delete per nom.- -sche(discuss)22:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

• RFD failed. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds}08:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)Reply