The definition of the third sense sounds weird and judgemental. We should reword it but I think it rather belongs intoeinen abseilen anyway because it's idiomatic and the standalone verb without the article doesn't have that meaning.Fytcha (talk)11:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Fytcha: But then, we should also mention itsactual origin, as ugly as it is. –Austronesier (talk)13:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Austronesier: I wasn't aware. Yes, we should.Fytcha (talk)13:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply