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From the recently promoted articleHMSCourageous (50), nominated bySturmvogel 66: the cruiser was photographed here shortly after its completion in 1916.
HMSCourageous (50) was sunk in September 1939 after being torpedoed by the German submarineU-29. A shocking 500 crewmen went down with the ship.


This week's "Featured content" covers Sunday 20 – Saturday 26 November


Featured articles

ASerbian Orthodoxicon of Prince Jovan Vladimir, ruler of medieval Serbia
The 1924 double eagle coin, the image taken by WikimedianWehwalt, by kind permission of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Wehwalt's articleIndian Head gold pieces is the latest in his numismatic series to be featured.
New featured picture by Commons photographerHolger Krisp, from Germany: thestinking earthfan fungus.
Four articles were promoted tofeatured status:

HMS Courageous (50) (nom), the lead ship of a class of cruisers built for the Royal Navy during the First World War. The ship was later converted to an aircraft carrier to avoid its scrapping after theWashington Naval Treaty, and became the first British warship sunk in the Second World War when it was torpedoed by theU-29. (Nominated bySturmvogel 66)

Jovan Vladimir (nom) (c. 990 – 1016), ruler ofDuklja, the most powerful Serbian principality of the time, from around 1000 to 1016. He ruled during a war between theByzantine Empire and theFirst Bulgarian Empire, which culminated withTsarSamuel of Bulgaria's defeat and death. In 1016 Vladimir fell victim to a plot byIvan Vladislav, the last ruler of the First Bulgarian Empire. He was beheaded in front of a church inPrespa, the empire's capital, and was buried there. He was soon recognized as a martyr and saint; his feast day is celebrated on 22 May. (VVVladimir)

Indian Head gold pieces (nom), two identical coins struck by theUnited States Mint: a two-and-a-half dollar piece, orquarter eagle, and a five dollar piece, orhalf eagle. The two pieces remain the only US circulating coins featuring recessed designs. (Wehwalt)

Ruby Laffoon (nom), the 43rd governor of the state of Kentucky, who served from 1931 to 1935. He was known for appointing a record number of Kentucky colonels, includingHarland Sanders, who used the title when he opened theKentucky Fried Chicken chain of restaurants. (Acdixon)


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Six images werepromoted. Please click on "nom" to view medium-sized images:

Stinking earthfan (nom;related article), a species of fungus found in Asia, Europe, North America, and South America. The fruit body is a coral-like tuft, repeatedly branched from a central stalk. The unpleasant smell of the earthfan has led to the accusation that it's "a candidate for stinkiest fungus in the forest". (Created by Commons userHolger Krisp, from Germany.)

Peter Oliver (nom;related article), a self-portrait of the 17th-century miniaturist Peter Oliver. The original painting is only 8.8 centimetres (3.5 in) in height.

The Great Picture (nom;related article), the world's largest print picture, was taken in 2006 as part of theLegacy Project, a photographic compilation and record of the airfield's history before it is transformed into the Orange County Great Park. The project used an abandoned F-18 hangar at the closed Marine Corps Air Station El Toro fighter base in Irvine, California as the world's largest pinhole camera. The aim was to make a black-and-white negative print of the Marine Corps air station with its control tower and runways, with the San Joaquin Hills in the background, marking the end of 165 years of chemistry-based photography and the start of the age of digital photography.

Aldrin saluting American flag (nom;related article), US astronaut Buzz Aldrin on the Moon, during Apollo 11 EVA activity (created by NASA).

2011 flooding in Ayutthaya, Thailand (nom;related article), Satellite photographs showing flooding in Ayutthaya and Pathum Thani Provinces, Thailand, in October 2011 (right), compared to before the flooding in July (left) NASA Earth Observatory image created by Jesse Allen and Robert Simmon, using EO-1 ALI data provided courtesy of the NASA EO-1 team and the United States Geological Survey.).

Cliff House from Ocean Beach (nom;related article), a restaurant perched on the headlands on the cliffs just north of Ocean Beach on the western side of San Francisco, California. It overlooks the site of the former Sutro Baths and a room-sized camera obscura and is now part of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, operated by the National Park Service. (created byMbz1).

New featured picture: A pair of satellite images showing portions of Thailand's Ayutthaya and Pathum Thani Provinces before (left), and after (right), a flood.


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Six great featured pictures. I told you it was still going strong!J Milburn (talk)18:59, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. I found a few of them underwhelming. I have a suggestion that somehow there be two categories for featured pics: one for those originally created by Wikimedians, and one for nominations sourced outside the project. They mean different things to me. Featured articles and lists areall created by Wikimedians.Tony(talk)13:34, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's an incredibly self-referential differentiation- I don't really see how navel-gazing is really going to help the project. There are no featured articles/lists from other sources because, firstly, Wikipedia isvery particular about what constitutes a good article or list (while the understanding of a "informative and technically adept picture" ismore universal, though not entirely so) and, secondly, because we don't really have as much by way of free text sources to plunder. Take a public domain ornithology guidebook; there won't be much by way of text to copy there (the scholarship will probably be out of date, the detail will not be as deep as we like our articles to be, it will be formatted in the manner of a guidebook), but there may well be much by way of images. That said, there are some lists which may as well be taken from elsewhere- practically all the info comes from one source, and it's just the Wikipedian's job to organise and format it. In any case, I really can't see any possible benefit in splitting FPC, and, further, the two categories are not at all neat; it would create something of a false dichotomy.J Milburn (talk)14:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

J Milburn, I understand what you're saying and I'd already thought through these issues, although you've expressed them in a different way. A featured article or listalways requires significant creation by WP editors, who must:

  • steer a careful pathway in the linguistic text between the no-nos of OR and close paraphrasing;
  • deploy research skills in locating, processing, and referencing sourced information;
  • (usually) locate appropriate images, position and size them in the text, ensuring the copyright is OK;
  • apply the style guidelines and the policies.

Far be it for me to decry the work of FP nominators in locating and nominating other people's images; but it seems to be of a different order to the nomination of Wikipedians'original creations (and in images we have a quite different regime concerning OR, interestingly). The grey area is where nominators or reviewers undertake restorations of externally sourced images—these are sometimes significant achievementsper se. But a NASA pic of the international space station, for example, unchanged and put up as a featured pic nom—this is more like an award by WP to someone who may not even know their work has been thus acknowledged. Are these just fodder for the main page? If so, don't we have a waiting list of some 2000 images for main-page exposure? In the queueing I'd sooner target from this huge body of images those shot or significantly enhanced by Wikimedians themselves. As a repository of free cultural content, Commons has better grounds in its featured pic process (and its POTY awards) to be wider in scope, including original creations by anyone, not just members of the Wikimedia community. But en.WP is not an image repository: it's an encyclopedia that must be written by a community that embraces multiple talents. Featured articles and lists acknowledge those talents and the associated hard work, but featured pics seems to range through a spectrum from two extremes: (i) identify external pic, check copyright, shove into the nom page; through (ii) restore or tweak externally sourced nom; to (iii) create an original creation, nommed oneself or by another WPian.Tony(talk)11:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and there are also other, less obvious grey areas. The pictures I display on my userpage are featured images which are only freely licensed through my efforts. I didn't just follow the "find, upload, nom" cycle, I went through the negotiation process so that I could upload images previously unfree. Another interesting thought is the work ofShroomydan (talk ·contribs); an excellent mushroom photographer who only created an account after his work here was recognised. Quite where he fits onto your spectrum is not clear. I'm also not convinced about your mention of "an award by WP to someone who may not even know their work has been thus acknowledged". If we were giving these photographers barnstars, then yes, that would be the case; but we're not. If this was all about telling the artists what good work they've done, I don't think historical media would be worth nominating at all. Instead, we're recognising thepicture, not the creator. I think this hits the crux of the disagreement- you seem to be envisioning a FP process which is there to offer Wikipedian photographers a pat on the back, rather than something (as I imagine the process) that is there to recognise integral images aiding our encyclopedia in some great way. In defence of my view: If we're genuinely trying to be neutral here, why should we be shouting about a photo a Wikipedian took of a building in their home town, but ignoring works of fine art and iconic photography?J Milburn (talk)12:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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