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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 22, 2023.

Pandas

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The result of the discussion waskeep. Clear consensus to keep.(non-admin closure)Estar8806 (talk)22:59, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest retarget either toPANDAS orPanda (disambiguation), as{{R from alternative capitalization}}. Leaning towards the latter as 'Pandas' has a number of alternative terms that refer to something other thanGiant panda andPANDAS such asPandora Digital Archiving System,pandas (software), orPan-Andromeda Archaeological Survey.Bonoahx (talk)22:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Shulman

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Relisted, seeWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 30#Daniel Shulman

Matroyshka

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The result of the discussion wasretarget toMatryoshka doll.--Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe)05:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given the target ofMatryoshka, I don't see why this needs to redirect to the disambiguation page.1234qwer1234qwer411:55, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Zambian Space Programme

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The result of the discussion waskeep. Jay 💬09:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does not appear that this was a government-endorsed programme, as the name implies (quite the opposite, in fact). There doesn't seem to be a suitable retarget available, from what I can see.Tollens (talk)09:24, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete misleading and unlikely search termDronebogus (talk)21:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Changing !vote toKeep per the sources Pharos cited.InterstellarGamer12321 (talk |contribs)06:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Epistolae Pavli Lingva Hvngarica Donatae

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The result of the discussion waskeep. Jay 💬07:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is this redirect supposed to exist consideringLetters of St. Paul in Hungarian is a redlink at the target?1234qwer1234qwer418:54, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my mind, the question is, does it help the reader get to an appropriate article that gives information about what the reader was searching for? This Latin title is the name of the book that the reader is likely to see, or they may copy it off the image of the book cover, and it does bring them to an article where it is relevant. Had theysearched on Commons, they would have ended up with an image of the book cover, and a dead end, but it's much more likely they'll search at Wikipedia. Although there is not yet much about the book there, it is mentioned (in red-linked English and Hungarian) and is the logical place to send readers, for now, until that red link gets expanded and someone writes the article.
Depending how determined they are as a searcher, if they want more info about the book, the interlanguage link provides a link to the Hungarian article about the book. Given that the redirect is the en-wiki reader's best path to getting the information they want, it seems like an appropriate use of the feature to me. The fact that the English part of the{{interlanguage link}} is still red because we don't have the article (yet) but hu-wiki does, is only incidental to that, and does not stand in the way of getting the reader to the best content for their search.Mathglot (talk)19:27, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
P.S., I've added another redirect—this oneEpistolae Pauli Lingua Hungarica Donatae—with the 'V's switched to 'U's, as the reader might type it that way if they're familiar withlater developments in the Latin alphabet. This is tacked on to the header at the top, and should also be deleted if the original redirect results in "delete".Mathglot (talk)21:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Siwierski

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.plicit23:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target.1234qwer1234qwer418:50, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Deutschgesprachen

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.plicit23:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not a word. Utterly implausible, 10 results on Google (partly related to this redirect).1234qwer1234qwer418:41, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Wie gehts

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The result of the discussion wassoft delete. Based onminimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expiredPROD (a.k.a."soft deletion"). Editors canrequest the article's undeletion.plicit23:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Phrase not mentioned at target.1234qwer1234qwer418:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Air Battles: Sky Defender

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The result of the discussion wasWithdrawn. Withdrawn by nominator.(non-admin closure)ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ()16:36, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Redirect is a game that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the game it redirects to. "Air Battles: Sky Defender" is a game by Pilot Entertainment and Wild Hare Entertainment according toGameSpot andGameSpy. Battle of Britain II: Wings of Victory is a game by A2A Simulations, Tri Synergy, and GMX Media. Only similarity seems to be the fact that they are flight simulations games from the mid-2000s.Mika1h (talk)16:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I changed my mind, I found a PC Gamer review where it states that the game is "a stripped-down, newbie-friendly version of Shockwave's high-flying Battle of Britain II." --Mika1h (talk)16:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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DeFacto

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The result of the discussion wasspeedy keep. For help with creating a new article, seeHelp:Your first article (and also the notability guidelines for brands atWP:NCORP).(non-admin closure)Uanfala (talk)13:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have multiple options to convert into an article:

1. There is a brand named DeFacto
2. Please create the draft page
3. Find all reliable sources
176.88.85.88 (talk)14:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No reason why this shouldn't keep redirecting to the disambiguation page since said articles do not exist.TheManInTheBlackHat(Talk)00:40, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Disney Junior Dance Party!

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The result of the discussion wasretarget toDisney Junior – Live on Stage!. Jay 💬13:58, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target.QuicoleJR (talk)01:35, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete wikipedia is not an exhaustive directory of random informationDronebogus (talk)23:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Lowercase sigmabot III/config

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Relisted, seeWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 29#User:Lowercase sigmabot III/config

List of J1 League football transfers 2023

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The result of the discussion wasno consensus. Come back soon.(non-admin closure)J947edits00:54, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clear error. Will be wrong after "summer 2023" and "winter 2023-24" transfer pages will be created.Pelmeen10 (talk)18:14, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: This was redirected only a week back. How about wait until the summer page is created? Jay 💬09:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think it will be created, though. I created these year's winter transfers articles on Japan, but have no intent of creating another four for summer transfers. ~~SoftReverie (talk)18:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pelmeen10, this redirect is effectively an{{R from move}}, as it appears to have been the title of the target article between November last year and the day before you started this discussion. I don't think it's likely there would be consensus for deletion now, but that would be much easier to achieve once the other list article is created and the redirectbecomes ambiguous. Would you like to withdraw this nomination now and then start a new one once the situation changes? –Uanfala (talk)13:08, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    No. Why wait for something inevitable? These three[1][2][3] were already speedy deleted for the same reason. This is the last one standing.Pelmeen10 (talk)13:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep until ambiguous. [2] and [3] were incorrect speedy deletions as CSD:R3 does not apply to redirects created as a result of a page move. [1] is a more complex case (J1 vs J2) and involving a histmerge of the target, it was not deleted for the same rason. Jay 💬13:30, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as it can be misleading. Whoever types "List of J1 League football transfers 2023" is currently being redirected to the winter transfer article. But, the former content of the list was supposed to cover the whole year. Personally, i don't think anyone would actually purposely type "List of J1 League football transfers 2023" at all. Previous seasons always utilized the winter and summer as separate articles, so i believe this redirect is of little to no use or importance. ~~SoftReverie (talk)18:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Early 2023 execution of a Ukrainian prisoner of war

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Relisted, seeWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 4#Early 2023 execution of a Ukrainian prisoner of war

Summer 2022 beheading of a Ukrainian prisoner of war

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.plicit11:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In 11 April 2023, a video showing the beheading of a living Ukrainian soldier was released in pro-Russian media. His identity was unknown (and I chose this title for the article believing it would stay that way) and the date of his murder was too, but it was assumed to be the summer of last year. Turns out however that yesterday it was revealed that the soldier was Szerhij Pataki and that he was murdered actually in March 2023. So, this title is now inaccurate.SuperΨDro07:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Pine Bowl (Stadium)

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The result of the discussion waskeep.--Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe)05:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nominating to delete. There is alreadyPine Bowl (stadium)Pine Bowl (stadium), the down case version with more substantial page history, which is sufficient as a navigation/search aid.– robertsky (talk)07:38, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete PerWP:RDAB.ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ()16:41, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep perK4{{R from move}}s should not be deleted without good reason: it's redirect policy. In this case, the redirect looks to have indeed accumulated views stemming from old sites linking to this old title. In fact, this redirecthas received thrice as many pageviews as it's current target. Deletion would evidently be harmful.J947edits02:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    1. The uppercase redirect was initially pointed atPine Bowl (stadium)Pine Bowl (stadium) before the article was merged toDeGol Field. After the merge yesterday, it is currently being pointed toPine Bowl. Therefore it is not appropriate to compare the pageviews to the current target.
    2. The uppercase version was linked 18 other articles on wiki before I have done the clean up (see my user contributions (API output)). Though the traffic is similarly low on these 18 pages, there will always be people clicking through these 18 pages. If the pageviews of the redirect is significantly higher, I might buy the argument that there are external/old sites linking this redirect directly.
    – robertsky (talk)05:49, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    1. If the redirect had pointed toPine Bowl the whole time, the 3–to–1 split for be extremely unlikely as a view on the redirect effectively results in a view on the dab page. The point was not that, but that this redirect is actually a more useful navigational aid thanPine Bowl
    2. While internal links do account for some, probably most, of the views, perthis backlink checker there are 29 external links pointing to this redirect. I suggest, per policy, that it's a safer decision to keep this redirect than to run the risk of breaking links.
    J947edits04:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I'm all for getting rid of redirects for non-standard forms in the disambiguator, but not when there are any reasons to keep. Having been the title of an article (in this case, between 2015 and 2020) is one of the strongest reasons to keep a redirect and usually outweighs much worse problems with the redirect than odd capitalisation. Fixing the incoming wikilinks was great, regardless of what happens to this redirect, but the external links we have not control over. –Uanfala (talk)22:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for now per J947. The handler of thefallingrain website may be asked to change it toDeGol Field. Jay 💬07:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Rules of the Senate

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Relisted, seeWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 14#Rules of the Senate

Cheery Littlebottom

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The result of the discussion wasretarget toAnkh-Morpork City Watch#Sergeant Cheery Littlebottom.(non-admin closure)J947edits01:09, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

there is nothing inDiscworld_(world) about Cheery Littlebottom.Marcocapelle (talk)11:54, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just started updatingDiscworld (world) and was trying to reference and link to Cheery Littlebottom assuming she'd also have an entry inAnkh-Morpork City Watch after I saw the one on Captain Carrot. I was annoyed to learn it was empty and just redirected back there via see also. When I checked to see if she had a standalone article I saw the redirect and discussion here. I think the redirect should be pointed toAnkh-Morpork City Watch#Sergeant Cheery Littlebottom and, since it's currently empty, that subsection be significantly expanded so it doesn't just two step redirect you toDiscworld (world). I added an expansion needed notice about that problem (and similar ones with other characters).TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk)05:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: BundledSergeant Cheery Littlebottom with this.
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Genital sex

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The result of the discussion wasdisambiguate. Rough consensus that this term should be disambiguated. Support for either keep or a retarget was limited to one editor apiece following the drafting of a dab.signed,Rosguilltalk00:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Target term not mentioned in the article; the title could refer to any of various sex acts that involve genitals. Aprevious RfD for the redirect suggested targeting to the current target, but seeing that the target is not mentioned... I suggest either disambiguating or deleting.Colgatepony234 (talk)00:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: One last try
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  • Retarget toSexual intercourse, largely per User:Jay. Came into this assuming I'd vote for some kind of disambig because it can refer to more than one thing, but if you trust major search engines to do their job properly, the overwhelming tendency is to bring up articles related to sexual activity, rather than different types of sex characteristic determiners; I was surprised how lopsided it was. In Google web search, it wasn't until result #11 that I found anything that wasn't related to sexual activity, whether intercourse or other types.Mathglot (talk)05:11, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem with basic search engine results is that they return both reliableand unreliable sources, whereas Wikipedia should reflect usage by just the most reliable ones. Partial title matches like"oral–genital sex" can bias the search results as well. —Sangdeboeuf (talk)08:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate (drafted). Two-item DABs aren't ideal, and two-item DABs where the term isn't explicitly used at either target are even less ideal, but I think that would be the least worst option here, better than an{{r without mention}} that would necessitate a hatnote for an unlikely search term.--Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe)05:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'dsupport this option compared to a redirect toSexual intercourse. Ifthere is sufficient mention of "genital" at both targets then why pick one? —Sangdeboeuf (talk)08:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC)edited 03:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I did not justify it, but I went forSexual intercourse as the primary. Jay 💬18:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I went forSexual characteristics as the primary, anddid justify itusing reasons based in policy, sources, and common sense as perWP:CONSENSUS. So in the absence of a counter-argument in favor ofSexual intercourse as the target, the term should not redirect there. —Sangdeboeuf (talk)02:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I went by Mathglot's argument and thought it was good as the justification. But, now I see why different people may think their choice is the primary. I have changed my vote. Jay 💬15:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Kang Zhan

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The result of the discussion waskeep. Jay 💬05:54, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target article's subject unclear.Steel1943 (talk)23:51, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Southern District of New York

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The result of the discussion wasretarget toSDNY.(non-admin closure)CycloneYoristalk!00:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest retargeting toSDNY perthis recent RfD.Presidentmantalk ·contribs (Talkback)00:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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