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Afghanistan War (2001-)

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The result of the discussion waskeep.(non-admin closure)RandomCanadian (talk /contribs)00:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Afghanistan War (2001-)Afghanistan War (2001-) →War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) (talk ·links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The war is no longer current, so this redirect is no longer accurate.Aasim (talk)23:19, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep for now because of the still high number of pageviews it's getting (possibly from old and/or external links). It may not be accurate, but deleting this could inconvenience A LOT of readers (for example,last year's statistics represent about 21 people every two days), and we'll have to wait for 2022 (possibly beyond) and see if the pageviews are going down by then. Regards,SONIC⁶⁷⁸01:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep because the target is the Afghanistan War that began in 2001. --Tavix^(talk)16:50, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - clearly this is the desired article for anyone searching this. It is too early to delete this.A7V2 (talk)09:01, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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List of countries by past and future population density)

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.✗plicit01:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• List of countries by past and future population density) →Past and future population density by country (talk ·links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search term due to extra close paren at end. This has been around for a month and a half, which might be too old for R3, so listing here.* Pppery *_{it has begun...}22:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The redirect without the extra close paren already exists too.Winston (talk)23:39, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete) per nom). There's also not much history to preserve, that's already at the target), it's better just to do without this thing). Regards,SONIC⁶⁷⁸⁾00:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Very unlikely search term compared toList of countries by past and future population density with no parenthesis at the end.Evil Sith Lord (talk)02:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete perWP:R#DELETE, it simply does not make sense. A random closing paren?PlanetsForLife23:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete See nothing here that would require preserving.Azuredivay (talk)08:21, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Femur Breaker

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.✗plicit01:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Femur Breaker →SCP – Containment Breach (talk ·links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided._signed,Rosguill^talk22:02, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete it's a torture device associated with SCP-106, one of the antagonists of the game. It's a minor plot point that is isn't even covered by the target article. --Lenticel^(talk)00:54, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. It's not even specifically associated with Containment Breach itself, as it's in the originalSCP Foundation entry forSCP-106 (and 106 isn't mentioned on the SCP Foundation article either).DudeTheNinja (speak to me |spy on me )19:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Futha Mucka

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.✗plicit01:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Futha Mucka →Samuel L. Jackson (talk ·links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Granted I haven't seen every Samuel L. Jackson movie and I do know he swears many of them, this doesn't seem like a plausible search term if someone comes to Wikipedia, looking for the Samuel L. Jackson article.Liz^Read!Talk!21:53, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Apparently it was a planned animated series forQuibi, seehere. Don't think it would be a valid redirect anyways.Winston (talk)23:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Palm leaves

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The result of the discussion wasRevert/Keep target asArecaceae.Thryduulf (talk)13:21, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Palm leavesPalm leaves →Palm-leaf manuscript (talk ·links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Palm leafPalm leaf →Arecaceae (talk ·links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target had beenPalm tree for about 10 years, where this usage isn't even mentioned in the hatnote there. Palm trees have palm leaves, "leaves" is used throughout the article.MB18:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Revert target toArecaceae (Latin for trees of thePalm family and the article to which thePalm tree redirect is targeted). There are lots of references to "Palm leaves" (seeSearch/"Palm leaves), most of which refer to the leaves of Palm trees in a general sense as opposed to their use in manuscripts. For most readers, especially if these article mentions were linked, redirecting toPalm-leaf manuscript would besurprising.Coastside (talk)19:17, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget toArecaceae consistent withPalm tree, and add to the hatnote.Shhhnotsoloud (talk)19:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget toArecaceae per above. Perhaps even to the Morphology section?Winston (talk)23:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose revert. This old target doesn't make sense to me. We don't have, say, "apple leaves" retargeting toApple, or "pine leaves" redirecting toPine. What is it about palm that you need a special entry as "palm leaves"? Perhaps palm leaves are used for many different purposes. If so, a dedicated article on that would be quite appropriate, likebanana leaves. If not,palm-leaf manuscripts would be the right target. Palm leaves were a major piece of writing technology, the Asian equivalent ofpapyrus, and thousands of books have been inscribed on them for over two millennia. --Kautilya3 (talk)00:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I initially had this reaction too, but since the target does discuss leaves a little, and since the redirect has existed for a decade, I felt we might as well keep it. As the lead section ofPalm tree indicates, they are indeed distinguished by their unique leaves. I believe most people would associate palm leaves more closely with palm trees than with palm-leaf manuscripts, if they even knew of the latter's existence. Otherwise, I would disambiguate or add a hatnote. I definitely would not redirect to palm-leaf manuscripts.Winston (talk)02:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Emblem of the African Union links to Palm leaves as decoration as doesRoman triumphal honours (although it does via a hyphenated "Palm-leaves" redirect which is actually incorrect).Palmier refers to "palm leaves" for their distinctive shape. If the link is deleted or redirected, editors referring to leaves of Palm trees would have to link instead to[[Palm tree|Palm leaves]] or more likely they would link to[[Palm|Palm leaves]] which would inadvertently link to a disambiguation page, as would[[Palm]] leaves, so reverting[[Palm leaves]]to link to the tree makes it easier to write articles that refer to palm leaves specifically for their decorative aspect or for any other reason. It's ironic that the article onPalm-leaf manuscripts refers to "palm leaves" 10 times without ever linking the term. It would make sense to link the first reference of "Palm leaves" toArecaceae since both Palmyra palms and talipot palms are of this family.Coastside (talk)13:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment AddingPalm leaf, which still goes toArecaceae.MB00:59, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrew Istler

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.Thryduulf (talk)13:25, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Andrew Istler →Washington Nationals minor league players (talk ·links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Player has not been with the Nationals since 2019 and is not playing anywhere. redirect should be deletedSpanneraol (talk)17:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. -Kudzu1 (talk)17:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to2018 Washington Nationals season with{{R from person}}. There are seven relevant mentions to Andrews Istler in Wikipedia (see search/Andrew Istler). PerWP:RFD#DELETE there is no valid justification for deleting. And perWP:RFD#KEEP, there are good reasons to keep. Retargeting is appropriate since the new target mentions him.Coastside (talk)18:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The several mentions of him are in different articles, and a redirect to one of them obscures other results. Deletion is consistent with what we generally do for actors without articles who have been in more than one (or perhaps just one) film.Shhhnotsoloud (talk)19:23, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  What reason atWP:RFD#DELETE justifies doing this?Coastside (talk)19:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete perWP:RFD#D1, the redirect makes itharderunreasonably difficult to find similar articles via the search engine. Istler's career far exceeds the 2018 Nationals season, so redirecting there is way too narrow. Search results paint a broader and more accurate picture of what one can find on Istler, eg: that he was on the2015 Duke Blue Devils baseball team, he participated in the2014 Atlantic Coast Conference Baseball Tournament, etc. The results also prominently includeRyan Madson, the player he was traded for (and the only blurb of note on him from that sprawling season article). --Tavix^(talk)16:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Just to be technical,WP:RFD#D1 doesn't say the redirect makes it "harder" to find similar articles, it says it makes it "unreasonablyunreasonably [emphasis in original] difficult". Still, since it's relatively easy to find the articles with a simple search in this case, I'm not going to fight hard to defend this particular redirect.Coastside (talk)18:37, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Fair enough, I've updated my rationale. --Tavix^(talk) 18:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC) [Revised]Coastside (talk)19:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Ok, I updated mine, too. ;)Coastside (talk)19:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Red, White and Cruee

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.✗plicit05:04, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Red, White and Cruee →Red, White & Crüe (talk ·links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Another Eubot heavy metal umlaut redirect, which doesn't seem to be used much nowadays (it's only gotten31 pageviews since July 2015). As per the precedent with its "Cruee" bandmates, it also needs to get taken off stage. Regards,SONIC⁶⁷⁸04:14, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom.AngusW🐶🐶F (bark •sniff)15:48, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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