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- The result of the discussion wasRefine toRoberto Aguayo#Personal life(non-admin closure)Ben · Salvidrim! ✉15:20, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
While Ricky Aguayo is mentioned once in the article title "Roberto Aguayo", they arenot the same person; they are brothers who played the same position, kicker, at the same university, Florida State. The fact that Ricky is redirected to Roberto's article is confusing, due to their identical positions and similar names.PCN02WPS20:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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- The result of the discussion wasdelete. --Tavix(talk)03:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No obvious connection to targetPRehse (talk)19:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Meteorological history of Hurricane Harvey
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- The result of the discussion wasdraft moved. AngusWOOF is correct that RFD is the wrong forum. If you ever have issue moving a page due for technical reasons, the correct place to make such a request isWP:RM/TR. Alternatively, one can tag the redirect with{{db-move}}. As this is uncontroversial and does not require discussion, I'm going to go ahead and make that move. --Tavix(talk)23:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Needs to be temporarily deleted to make room to movethis draft into the aforementioned article title.MarioProtIV (talk/contribs)18:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted, seeWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 January 5#Abhilash Pudukad
West Kowloon (KCRC)
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- The result of the discussion wasno consensus. Note thatDeccania has been blocked as a sockpuppet; their opinion has therefore been discounted. There has been some support for a move ofDeccan Peninsula and it's possible that a more focusedWP:RM on the title ofDeccan Peninsula may result in a consensus. --Tavix(talk)02:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A dispute has arisen as to whetherDeccan should continue to redirect toDeccan Plateau, to which it has pointed for about eight years. An editor has sought to retarget the redirect to the disambiguation page,Deccan (disambiguation), which would beWP:MALPLACED, requiring the disambiguation page to be moved to Deccan if the current target is determined not to be the primary target of the term.bd2412T 20:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- I think the underlying issue can best be solved by movingDeccan Plateau toDeccan, as suggested byUtcursch atTalk:Deccan Plateau#Target of the redirect Deccan. –Uanfala20:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I had retargeted the page to the disambiguation in response to another editor tagging it for speedy deletion for the exact reasons described by the nominator. While I did not think ofWP:MALPLACED in doing so, I am also not opposed to moving the disambiguation page to this title as well should consensus result in such.jd22292(Jalen D. Folf) (talk •contribs)20:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Do we have any evidence (pageviews, Google hits, references in books) from which to determine whether there is or is not a primary topic of the term?bd2412T 20:50, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- This I cannot comment on. I will have to askDeccania to back their case, as the user who's insisting on changing the primary topic.jd22292(Jalen D. Folf) (talk •contribs)20:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, evidence is generally required to change a longstandingstatus quo ante.bd2412T 20:56, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- Deccan is a word that is derived from the Sanskrit word Dakshina meaning Southern[1]. People who do not have in-depth knowledge of things will make errors that will end up creating disambiguation and new erroneous synonyms leading to the denigration of a language. In fact, calling our Wiki Disambiguatiom pages as such with so many unrelated words which start or contain the same name is also not something properly done because disambiguation means to remove uncertainty of meaning from a word or sentence, but we (including me) seem to be creating more ambiguity by creating the Wiki Disambiguation pages. These pages are mostly containing wiki article names that contain the title we are searching on, that is all, and not really removing any ambiguity of the word in context otherwise we would not be having this discussion. Deccan must not redirect to Deccan Plateau but redirect to the Disambiguation page as far as I think. What I said also holds true for the usage of the word Deccan and Deccan Plateau as synonyms, somebody made an interpretation mistake and the mistake is being continued. Deccan contains a plateau which is referred to as Deccan plateau. Deccan also contains plains and coasts and mountains and rivers and other geographical entities.Deccania (talk)22:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- In all rightness, Deccan must redirect to a new article called Deccan Peninsula. Deccan Peninsula is the peninsular India located south of the the Satpura and Vindhya Ranges.[2]Deccania (talk)04:48, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you draft such an article?bd2412T 05:18, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- From my British perspective, Deccan (or, rather,the Deccan) is the historical geopolitical region. Its human history (currently section 8 in Deccan Plateau) is the most important topic, and should be much nearer the top of the article. I find the title "Deccan Plateau" confusing; it misleads the reader into thinking that this is an article primarily about geography or geology.Supportutcursch's proposal on theTalk Page, i.e. move Deccan Plateau to Deccan and keep Deccan Plateau as a redirect to it.Narky Blert (talk)11:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with what you said, that is Deccan is the historical geopolitical region and about the title Deccan Plateau being confusing. If there is an article on Deccan, geographically and politically and historically it must include all about Deccan Peninsula in entirety and it should not be redirected to Deccan Plateau. Yes you are also right from my opinion that the current article on Deccan Plateau has to be moved to Deccan because the contents of it are that of the whole of Deccan Peninsula. Finally, Deccan Plateau and Deccan Peninsula must be articles only about the geography. Deccan must be an article about the geographical (briefly), political and historical aspects of Deccan Peninsula. At that point there will be no need for redirection at all.Deccania (talk)15:51, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that is an excellent solution -moveDeccan Plateau toDeccan andexpand its contents to be about the entire peninsula.bd2412T 18:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. I agree with everything inDeccania's reply to my post, and noteBD2412's concurrence. I failed to say in my earlier post a thing I had in mind: as Deccania has pointed out, utcursch's solution would free up Deccan Plateau for possible expansion into a standalone article.Narky Blert (talk)21:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. See alsoTalk:Deccan Plateau#Target of the redirect Deccan for an alternative proposal about the topic structure. –Uanfala (talk)01:01, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep as it always has been (probably) There seems to be some wierd POV effort to redefine "Deccan" to cover the WHOLE of southern India, ieSouth India. The disam page has been changed to begin "Deccan means Southern part in ancient India, south of the Satpura and Vindhya ranges. Deccan includes the east and west coasts and plains, the plateau and mountain ranges of the ancient Southern India." - a hugely contentious definition, and not very relevant to what most readers are looking for. A look ata google search shows that "Deccan Peninsula" may be defined this way, but is a term very largely restricted to geology and eco/biological sciences, and needs to be fully specified (ie "Deccan Peninsula" not just "Deccan"). Even in these uses, the definition seems to vary a lot, as to whetherTamil Nadu andKerala are included. It is certainly not what people mean when talking about "the Deccan", even when dealing with ancient Indian history. CurrentlyDeccan Peninsula redirects to the plateau, but there is a 3-line draft of an article (taking the same sort of definition quoted above). A section inDeccan Plateau, or a shortish article explaining the "Deccan Peninsula" concept would be useful. I don't at all mind moving "Deccan Plateau" to "Deccan" per se - there is probably a better case for moving toThe Deccan - but not if that leavesUser:Deccania to do a POV fork ofSouth India atDeccan. People may find it instructive to look athis edit history - there isn't much of it, beginning on 1st December with arguing about redirects etc on this topic.Johnbod (talk)04:28, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- hmmm, thank you for bringing a good point about South India. If you look into history, Dakshinapatha was the oldest term used in Indian literature and the term meant beyond Vindhya etc mountains. Then after hundreds of years, we see the term Deccan used by the Muslims rulers which also meant the same as Dakshinapatha. However, the use of the term "South India (literally may mean Dakshinapatha)" by the British and most people from then has been limited to the linguistic family, differentiating Dravidian people from the Indo-Aryan Northern and Central Indian linguistic people. So presently or from the time of British, Deccan was never used interchangeably with South India because deccan always included both Dravidian and Indo-Aryan linguistic regions. I therefore think Deccan (Deccan Peninsula) has to be a separate article from Deccan Plateau and South India.Deccania (talk)09:11, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- What it might have meant in north Indian languages over 1,000 years ago is beside the point. The definitions you have added atDeccan (disambiguation) and the peninsula draft include Tamil Nadu and Kerala, which may indeed be part of the "Deccan Peninsula" in certain scientific usages, but not part of "the Deccan" in normal use in English.Johnbod (talk)13:41, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is the usage per some dictionaries, leaving aside oldest or true or sensible (seems like some dictionaries are using the sensible meaning) meaning of Deccan being South and so the entire peninsular India. In addition, I have already mentioned about the difference between a plateau and a peninsula. Geographically Deccan consists of Deccan Traps, Deccan Plateau, Deccan Peninsula, Eastern Ghats, Western Ghats, and the Coastal Plains, etc.
According to www.collinsdictionary.com: Deccan in British, noun, the Deccan (two meanings)1. a plateau in S India, between the Eastern Ghats, the Western Ghats, and the Narmada River2. the whole Indian peninsula south of the Narmada RiverAccording to www.ahdictionary.com (two meanings)A plateau of south-central India between the Eastern Ghats and the Western Ghats. The name is also used for the entire Indian peninsula south of the Narmada River.According to en.oxforddictionaries.com (only one meaning)A triangular plateau in southern India, bounded by the Malabar Coast in the west, the Coromandel Coast in the east, and the Vindhaya mountains in the north.According to www.merriam-webster.com (only one meaning)plateau region of south central India lying between the Eastern Ghats and the Western Ghats
Note, Deccan is used differently by different people, it may mean so many things for Historian, another thing for a Geographer, another thing for a Politician, another thing for a Teacher, another thing for a Poet, another thing for a truth-seeker, another thing for a Linguist, another thing for a debater.
Some maps:https://dome.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.3/20028/109528_cp.jpghttp://www.deccanplateau.net/images/Deccan%20Plateau%20map1.jpghttps://www.mapsofindia.com/history/deccan-sultanates-map.jpgDeccania (talk)00:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Exactly - the first 2 (I can't access the third) show the Deccan Plateau area.Johnbod (talk)03:45, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep as it has been since 13 April 2006, whenChezhiyan moved pageDeccan toDeccan Plateau over redirect (This page is moved for clarification. "Deccan" means "Deccan Plateau".)
- The idea that we might disambiguate this is a nonstarter, as there is no credible alternative primary topic for this. The lengthyDeccan (disambiguation) is filled with partial title matches, but no exact matches other than the former name of an airline whose name is surely derived from the plateau or region. As for the possibility ofDeccan Peninsula, we have nothing more than an attempt by the now-blocked sock puppetDeccania to define yet another geographical subset of the Indian subcontinent. The distinction between "Deccan Peninsula" andIndian Peninsula, better known as theIndian subcontinent, escapes me. I suppose there might be some arbitrary judgement about where to place the northern border of this peninsula. As to whether it's simply called "Deccan" or "the Deccan", that strikes me as a British/European thing, like "the Thames", but that's actually atRiver Thames.Plateau Deccan?Hindi,kannada,tamil andtelugu all have titles that Google translates to "Deccan Plateau". Most of the plateaus inTemplate:Plateaus of India have "Plateau" in their title. Now the German wiki actually has it at simplyDekkan, with a more specific article atDekkan-Plateau, but the length of the latter suggests it could simply be merged into the former. –wbm1058 (talk)21:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Greg Harvey (born 1954)
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- The result of the discussion wasdelete.Killiondude (talk)06:03, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Implausible redirect. Greg Harvey is Larry Duplechan's partner/husband, but he has no notability claim in his own right to support his own standalone article -- and no reason why anybody would ever actually search for him as an independent topic. Apart from a recursive linkin Duplechan's article (which is entirely pointless, since anybody who clicked on it would just get sent right back to the same article they'd tried to click from), the only other link was from a dab page, and even there he was just listed as "Larry Duplechan's partner" rather than any descriptor that suggests an independent notability claim or a reason why anybody would be looking for him here. This is simply unnecessary: we're an encyclopedia ofnotable people, not just a directory of everybody who exists, so we donot routinely create redirects from the names of notable people's non-notable relatives as a matter of course.Bearcat (talk)06:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Spelljammer crystal spheres
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- The result of the discussion wasdelete.Killiondude (talk)06:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, there is no such list in the article, nor should there be one perWP:FANCRUFT.LaundryPizza03 (talk)04:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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1868–69 College of New Jersey Tigers men's soccer team
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- The result of the discussion wasdelete.Killiondude (talk)06:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Confusing redirect. The current target article is about American (Gridiron) football, not association football.Sro23 (talk)02:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sorry, I took the easy way out and blanked it. I didn't know there was a special AfD for redirects. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk02:47, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - The article was originally a redirect to the football team's article, because they shared early records, and it seemed redundant to have separate articles.Quidster4040 (talk)04:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- There aren't two teams that shared records, there is only one team, and for mainly historical reasons, it is classified as American football, not soccer. So any wikilink to the soccer name article from soccer pages would redirect to the American football team, which is confusing. So the article should be deleted, not redirected. As I mentioned elsewhere, the listing of Princeton's American football teams on the soccer college championships navbox is the source of the problem. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk18:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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