May 7

Obstructor

Reverend Straik

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.Deryck C.22:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Reverend Straik →That Hideous Strength (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Straik →That Hideous Strength (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I am in two minds about this one. The first is it is at the target and should be{{R to section}}} but that secion no longer exists, but itis at the target. This is a neelix redirect that I am coming so learn well thatGeorge Orwell calledC. S. Lewis acatholic apologist and I am not so sure that this is as neutral as it first seems. I am justC of E which means I don't have to believe in anything. See alsoWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 8#Straik i managed to miss by twenty minutes combinging these onto one day's listing but they are essentally the same listing and if another editor wishes to combine I have no problem with that.Si Trew (talk)23:33, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

They have been combined, at your request. --Tavix^(talk)18:19, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. There are many occurences of "straik". Let search do its job.Shhhnotsoloud (talk)07:44, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Meteoros

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.Deryck C.22:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Meteoros →Meteoroid (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. (Neelix redirect)., THis is not at the target. It might have been at one time because I can do a bit of ancient Greek when push comes to shove, but it isn't now so this isWP:RFD#D2 confusing but not confident enough to take it to CSD.Si Trew (talk)23:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete perWP:R#DELETE #8. —Gorthian (talk)17:17, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Stakers

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.Deryck C.22:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Stakers →Staking (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(neelix redirect). I think this is rather ambiguous, the target is a DAB at which people who play poker for money lay a stake, but I amn gambling on this beiingWP:XY and probably delete.Stake is a DAB too at which poker stake is mentioned, but this is a conmmon British term for the money put down for a betSi Trew (talk)23:05, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• delete: if "Staker" was useful as anything other than the surname there'd be a note onStaker to say so.PamD09:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Blockers

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The result of the discussion waswithdrawn by nominator.(non-admin closure) --Tavix^(talk)18:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• BlockersBlockers →Blocker (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(neelix redirect) Not sure on this one. My first thought was forBeta blockers but the target, A DAB, does not mention those. it could beWP:XY I guessSi Trew (talk)22:32, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as{{R from plural}}. Many of the things listed at thedisambiguation page can be plural.@Si Trew: I addedbeta blocker andchannel blocker to the target.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT)01:32, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedily keep/withdrawn by nominator?@Godsy: thanks for adding them. I would have done myself but I don't like to do so when listing something for discussion because I think it makes the discussion confusing, so thanks for doing it as kinda a second set of eyes.Si Trew (talk)06:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: r from plural - no problem.PamD09:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Unprogressiveness

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.JohnCD (talk)11:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Unprogressiveness →Progressive (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not sure about this (neelix redirect). I would suggest if it goes anywhere it goes toconservatism but that may be a bit too political for Wikipedia, not the target but to redirect it thus.Si Trew (talk)22:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: no need for redirect from this non-word.PamD09:31, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Nonsense.CoffeeWithMarkets (talk)07:22, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Responds

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.JohnCD (talk)11:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Responds →Respond (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(neelix redirect) This kinda makes sense because the target is a noun and this would just be the common plural of it. But I am not sure it is what people would expect to find.I know what it is because I know everything, but I am not sure other intelligent but ignorant readers wouldSi Trew (talk)22:25, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete common dictionary word variant, would lead to overlinking.AngusWOOF (bark •sniff)19:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Putney Debate

Phelps and Lester

Mock Orange (tree)

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The result of the discussion wasretarget toMock orange.JohnCD (talk)11:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Mock Orange (tree)Mock Orange (tree) →Bursaria spinosa (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This doesn't seem to be the only tree known as mock orange. I've seenOsage Orange called that as well, and there are probably several others.user:Plantdrew, would a disambiguation page be appropriate? Or maybe redirect to an existing disambiguation page?Oiyarbepsy (talk)20:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It could be retargetted to the disambiguation page atmock orange, which does list several other trees. But I don't see much point in keeping it. Neelix also createdMock Orange (mulberry) (for Osage orange) on the same day, so he really ought to have seen that "(tree)" wasn't enough to fully disambiguate. "Mock Orange (mulberry)" seems utterly useless; it's not amulberry, although it is in themulberry family. But anybody who's aware of that relationship would likely be searching by the scientific name in the first place.Plantdrew (talk)20:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to say calling Plantdrew but my cache must be well out of date.User:Peter coxhead may have something to say too. I will be anintelligent but ignorant reader when I give you my opinion.Si Trew (talk)20:55, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can't we justretarget as{{R from superlfluous diambiguation}} or whatever I forget to the DAB atMock Orange which lists several species/genera? To be honest as an intelligent but ignorant reader I was expecting it to be a paint colour likeMagnolia. Does that make any senseUser:Plantdrew)?Si Trew (talk)21:00, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure.{{R from incomplete disambiguation}} would probably be the most appropriate redirect template.Plantdrew (talk)21:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's the one I meant just in the middle of Neelix redirects one's mind goes a little crazy. Do you wantUser:Plantdrew to withdraw this and I shall do the homework?Si Trew (talk)22:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget toMock orange.Peter coxhead (talk)09:05, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• (edit conflict)Retarget per Peter coxhead toMock Orange as {{tlx|R from unecessary disambiguation]].Si Trew (talk)00:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Palmed

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The result of the discussion wassoft delete (no quorum + Neelix injunction) --Deryck C.08:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Palmed →Palming (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm well aware what palming is as I do it a lot myself as a joke (I am quite good at it) but I wondered whether this is really a good place to put palmed or whether this isWP:XY. There are lots of other things that can be palmed,palms for example. I am probably wrong on this but I am not confident to take it straight to CSDWP:G6 neelix concession, if in doubt give RfD a shoutSi Trew (talk)19:55, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Crossdresses

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The result of the discussion waskeep. The discussion below seems to have shown that "crossdress[es

• CrossdressesCrossdresses →Cross-dressing (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(neelix redirect) There are lots of these. I boldly labelled some as{{R from verb}} etc but can we have itwithout the hyphen is that legit? There isCrossdressed and so on. No problem withcross-dressed (another Neelix) I will mark that as R from verb but I am just wondering if it is validwithout the hyphen consindering that the target always uses the hyphen.Si Trew (talk)19:51, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Leaving out the hyphen or replacing it with a space has shown up on multiple news articles and books.AngusWOOF (bark •sniff)01:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - There doesn't seem to be any strict rules as to which to prefer. "Xcross-dresses every Tuesday", "Xcrossdresses every Tuesday", and "Xcross dresses every Tuesday" are all valid wordings. Even if there were general guidelines as such, they'd still be helpful redirects anyways.CoffeeWithMarkets (talk)08:29, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Wealthier

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.JohnCD (talk)11:20, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Wealthier →Wealth (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(neelix redirect) while patently a valid word I am not sure that this is really a kinda well it can be{{R from adjective}} but dunno. We all know what it means but does it make any sense to redirect it simply to wealth? I dunnoSi Trew (talk)19:46, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - this seems pointless.LadyofShalott20:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Unless there's a corporation named Wealthier, this isn't a likely search term, and would result in an overlink to a common dictionary word "wealth".AngusWOOF (bark •sniff)19:09, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Affluences

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The result of the discussion wasspeedily deleted byUser:Anthony Bradbury(non-admin closure) bySi Trew (talk)23:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC). As a closing note I did notask for CSD on this one[reply]

• Affluences →Wealth (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(Neelix redirect) We haveAffluence I think so I am not sure on this one. Affluences would not really be a word I think, You can't say I affluence, he affluences, and surely affluence is aconcept noun that you can't pluralize like that. But not 100% sure, I imagine that in some paper people wrote of James Goldsmith and Warren Buffet "their individual affluences amounted to..." or some such. Is it a word?Si Trew (talk)19:41, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Orsino (play)

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The result of the discussion waswithdrawn. --BDD (talk)13:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Orsino (play)Orsino (play) →Romain Rolland (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Declined at CSD byUser:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz with the explanation "another content issue dressed up as a speedy nom". I must admit I don't understand the explanation of that decline because it is nothing to do with a content issue but aWP:G6 neelix concession redirect underWP:G6 neelix concession as any admin at CSD knows full well. No problem with the content, it is theredirect there is a problem with, so I don't see where content comes into it. I imagine the adminUser:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz will be happy to explain at RfD why it is a content issue.Si Trew (talk)19:27, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This is an appropriate redirect as Orsino (play) is a work of Romain Rolland and this redirect points to a Bibliography on his article. You know, not every redirect created by Neelix is inaccurate, some are valid and appropriate.Liz^Read!Talk!18:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – Seems like an appropriate redirect, perLiz. –nyuszika7h (talk)18:50, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I don't care who created it; it's a valid search term and points to the right page.LadyofShalott20:38, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedily keep as withdrawn by nominator. I list at RfD if I am not sure and@LadyOfShalott: has hit the nail on the thumb with this one. Patently the consensus is to keep so I withdraw my um wossname.Tennyson wasn't it, the Lady of Shallott? Although I preferBetjeman The heart ofThomas Hardy died away in the night, as frost will blacken aDahlia.Si Trew (talk)07:48, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Frances Alan

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The result of the discussion waswithdrawn by nominator.(non-admin closure) --Tavix^(talk)20:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Frances AlanFrances Alan →Frances Allen (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(Neelix redirect) Not sure about this one. There are lots of others to Francis Allen and Frances Allen and so on that neelix made, some of which I have taken to CSD and others of which I have taken as{{R from misspelling}}. (Note we have I think articles forFrancis Alan andFrances Alan or something, so these are already going to be a bit confusing, I am taking the line of reasoning thus, that Frances is a woman and Francis is a bloke, and I don't mind a misspelling but since this is kinda two mispellings in one should probably go. Target is a DAB.)Si Trew (talk)06:49, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

KeepSimonTrew, your nomination is partially misleading, you have linked to articles you 'think' we have forFrancis Alan andFrances Alan, but a quick click shows the first is a redirect toFrancis Allen dab and the second is actually the title you're nominating. You might want to strike that part of your nomination.Boleyn (talk)08:35, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think you also need to strike out your last sentence about it being 'kinda two misspellings', it is one. This is a redirect fromFrances Alan toFrances Allen, the first names are exactly the same, both the female version, and the surname is a slightly different spelling but exact same pronunciation. The dab also gives a link to the male version of the name, which would help readers. I'm not seeing any problem here that deletion could solve.Boleyn (talk)08:50, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedily keep withdrawn by nominator. If there is any doubt we keep it. I list stacks of "Neelix redirects" at CSD and it is only if in doubt that I bring them here. Thanks and apologies toUser:Boleyn who I rather spoiled the user page earlier cos my keyboard broke and I wanted to quickly reply to agree with Boleyn, rather than it looking like ignorance or nonchalance or malice, now I have a new keyboard so I am sorry for rather bodging what I said on that user's page (not their talk page) but I was really struggling to sayanything (internet also dropped about five times as I was trying to compose it from a tablet thingy.)Si Trew (talk)19:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all,SimonTrew, thanks for your hard work.Boleyn (talk)19:39, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Rain cake

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The result of the discussion waswithdrawn by nominator.(non-admin closure) --Tavix^(talk)20:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Rain cakeRain cake →Bolinho de chuva (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a neelix creation. While in the lede as a translation although not marked as such, it doesn't really say much to an English speaking audience I think. THere is alsoRain cakes which if I forget to combine is by same reason. I think this is nonsense in English.Si Trew (talk)05:04, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Searching "rain cakes" brought up three sources attesting to rain cakes as the English version of the name. I've added the sources (article was totally unsourced) and expanded the article. Search also brought up a completely different japanese dish calledraindrop cakes and a commercially availablepurple rain cake but I think these are different enough names a DAB is not required.Legacypac (talk)06:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Righty ho speedily keep per LegacypacWithdrawn by nominator. The closing admin should probably put on{{R from original language|pt}}. Please don't forgetRain cakes which is the same reason.Si Trew (talk)06:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rain cakes was deleted byUser:Anthony Bradbury who was probably as bored as I was going through the Anomie list, and I thank him for his hard work and patience deleting a lot (not this one though) that I listed over at CSD.Si Trew (talk)06:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the creator of all these redirects felt it reasonable to create them in both singular and plural forms; and in the case of verbs in a variety of tenses. Hence I retained "rain cake" while deleting "rain cakes".--Anthony Bradbury^"talk"09:45, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Trichuris campanula

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.JohnCD (talk)11:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Trichuris campanula →Trichuris (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Recommend red link to encourage an article.Oiyarbepsy (talk)03:23, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete; better to have a red link to encourage article creation.Plantdrew (talk)21:41, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nomCoffeeWithMarkets (talk)05:08, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete if Plantdrew says so it must be true because that user knows his or her taxonomy better than I do or almost anyone else here at RfD, pingingUser:Peter coxhead for a final check. Nothing to do withcampanula as the nice flowers/plants in the garden. I think this can beWP:SNOW.Si Trew (talk)23:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Almeron

Elizabeth Hastings (benefactress)

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.JohnCD (talk)11:18, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Elizabeth Hastings (benefactress) →Lady Betty (links ·history ·stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(neelix redirect) THis is a bit weird. I have no idea why Neelix created it but a womanbenefactor who gives some money to something is abenefatrice orbenefatrix depending on whether it comes straight from Latin of via Frenchas any fule kno. Listing here because it seems nonsense to me but there might be a reason for it. Have done about fifty on the Neelix list tonightSi Trew (talk)00:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete her actual name, disambigated with a fake word, makes a lousy redirect.Legacypac (talk)00:48, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will bet you why. Because in the articleFrançoise-Louise de Warens it says she is a benefactress, and I bet it goes through rather ashort-circuit that Neelix then created loads more benefactresses. I get there because there are loads of nonsense Neelix redirects such asFrançoise-Louise which would be a bit like having a redirect from Simon to I dunnoSimon Parker orSimon Templar. Have can will worms.Si Trew (talk)06:54, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ANd to nobody's surpriseFrançoise-Louise has been speedily deleted,mirabile dictu ahemVirgilwonderful to tell, byUser:Peridon. Il faut marcher, Napoleon said, minden nap sorrymaygar aussi jour il faut marcher step by step day by day we march (I don't think walk would be a good translation there). And how many languages can I pack into one sentence, I have the talent of putting the maximum number of words into the minimum amount of thought.Si Trew (talk)22:42, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete We already haveElizabeth Hastings (philanthropist) which doesn't suffer from the gender-based disambiguation. If someone's going to disambiguate they will likely enter that or Lady Betty already.AngusWOOF (bark •sniff)23:34, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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