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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 17, 2015.

Terr

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect'stalk page or in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion wasdabify. --BDD (talk)23:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect's current target is a disambiguation page without any subjects that match the name of the redirect listed. If this is an initialism for the word "territory", then, in my opinion, it would only make sense to have this redirect target there if the articleTerritory was either a list article or a broad-concept article describing the primary use of the term (which it is not in the current situation.)Steel1943 (talk)22:12, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Bumsla

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Relisted, seeWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 24#Bumsla

Battling Boy (film)

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The result of the discussion wasdelete. --BDD (talk)23:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Film not mentioned at the target's article. --Tavix(talk)18:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have no idea why but it sounds like aventriloquist trying to say "Gatling Gun". However I would have a great deal of trouble sourcing that; could have been the great ventTommy Roy, which we have not got.Si Trew (talk)08:09, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The Operators (film)

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The result of the discussion wasretarget toDavid Michôd#The Operators.(non-admin closure)Ivanvector 🍁 (talk)20:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Film not mentioned at the target's article. --Tavix(talk)18:03, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Pilka nożna

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The result of the discussion wasdelete all.Just Chilling (talk)00:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete perWP:RFD#D8 andWP:RFOREIGN. However, I would like to see a discussion on whether these might be worth retargeting toPoland national football team. On one hand, thePolish language is relatively confined toPoland, the country, and there is a pretty strong connection between the two. On the other hand, it is a minority language in much of Europe (including as an official language of the EU), and doesn't refer to the team, but the sport in general. --Tavix(talk)17:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I would take an easier tack, although agreeing withWP:RFD#D8 andWP:RFOREIGN. These are very unlikely to be able to be typed by anEnglish language audience. (Okay, there is a case against that forPilka nozna as an{{R from title without diacritics}}, but is not marked as such.) I can type the Ł (and the Đ) on my Hungarian keyboard without trouble, even though it is not an Hungarian letter (and, to be clear, Hungarian is not aSlavic language), but I doubt someone with a UK or US or Australian or NZ or Canadian English keyboard could, without hunting with difficulty, so I reinforce theWP:RFD#D8 unlikely search term.Si Trew (talk)07:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included inWikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk)03:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Untitled Indian film projects (I-P)

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The result of the discussion wasdelete all.Just Chilling (talk)00:30, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

These are all outdated redirects. The projects that these redirects refer to all have titles. They should be deleted as confusing because it might lead people to think they are referring to a separate, future untitled project. --Tavix(talk)17:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The Joy Luck Club (novel)

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The result of the discussion wasdelete. --BDD (talk)23:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect containswiki markup, which should not be present in titles since if it is linked on a page it can break page text formatting. Also, seeWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 4#Some redirects containing wiki markup andWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 20#Several redirects that have wiki markup in their titles for similar consensus.Steel1943 (talk)16:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong delete "''The Joy Luck Club'' (novel)" is highly inappropriate --67.70.32.190 (talk)04:28, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • DAB it better I think the DAB is a bit of a waste of space since it is essentially aWP:TWODABS. The third title is red but passes One Blue Link for DABs but only redirects back to the article that is mentioned at the first, in a redlink at the section tabulating publications. That is just sending people (including me) around the houses,WP:HATNOTE would be better. ActuallyThe Jockey Club came to my mind first, and I think at least should be at the DAB.Si Trew (talk)08:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@SimonTrew: Did you put this comment in the wrong thread? It's been happening to me a lot lately. Just asking because there's no dab here.Ivanvector 🍁 (talk)15:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly, I check that, in the mean time I strike mine.Si Trew (talk)17:06, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, I was actuallycompos mentis at the time, but I double-checked cos I just doubted myself.The Joy Luck Clubis a DAB listing this book, the film, and a nonexistent play, so I probably went round the houses a bit. (I really don't like red links at DABs, what is the point, it helps nobody, it just says "The Joy Luck Club (play), one of productions [sic] produced byTheatreWorks in Silicon Valley, California", and as you see the latter is red, because it is piped toList of TheatreWorks (Silicon Valley) productions, whenvefrom its link is piped back to the DAB.) This is all ratherWP:CRYSTAL, then and theWP:DABPIPE doesn't help. Now I have a feeling I amshadow boxing, and losing :)
Notwithstanding all that, I must agree with Ivan and Jack below.Si Trew (talk)17:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh I see. Partly off-topic: the play seems notable enough for a few unflattering reviews ([1],[2],[3]) andmentions in a book about the author. But we don't have an article about the play, and it's not exclusively a TheatreWorks production - other companies have put it on over the years, as early as '93 according to one of these articles. Probably the redlink should be removed from the dab, which is then a TWODABS but I'm not sure if the novel or the film is the primary topic: hits last month are 6300 novel, 5900 film. I would lean novel as primary topic because it came first.Ivanvector 🍁 (talk)17:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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B's

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The result of the discussion wasretarget toB (disambiguation). There's essentially no consensus here, but no one wanted to this to remain as is, so I'm choosing the alternative to deletion. --BDD (talk)23:18, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I recently createdBoston B's as a companion redirect to this one, but it was speedy deleted as implausible. If "Boston B's" is implausible, than I would imagine this one to be as well. --Tavix(talk)14:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For me it goes toX S, which itself is a redirect toXS. Strange.Ivanvector 🍁 (talk)14:53, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are correct. --Tavix(talk)14:58, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I'd say that it "B's" doesn't mean anything in particular, so we should delete it.Compassionate727 (talk)17:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But (as the old jazz single goes) every kinda B'z just whispersLouise.Si Trew (talk)08:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The ones that make sense are US sporting teams.Si Trew (talk)07:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Off topic for this discussion, but I'd expectK's to be a redirect tokilometre as that unit is frequently abbreviated to "k" in speech, e.g. a10K run.Thryduulf (talk)09:22, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I'd agree with that. I don't think weshould have all these, but if we had them anywhere, that was better than mine. Perhaps justkilo (a DAB) orkilo- would be better still. It's also used to mean a thousand pounds sterling (I just won ten K's, the new job offers 70 K's) but usually that would be said "grand" andWP:NOTDIC.Si Trew (talk)07:22, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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African

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The result of the discussion wasdabify andno consensus, respectively. This is Steel1943's recommendation, though I wouldn't call this a trainwreck—it's been far too slow. As a result,African (disambiguation) will move overAfrican. No prejudice against a new nomination forAfrican people, which will continue to point to the same place for now. --BDD (talk)19:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There has been a slow edit war over whether these should remain redirects or be made into disambiguation pages, but no actual discussion of the topic. Since a disambiguation page already exists atAfrican (disambiguation), creating a second page would constitute a duplicate page, so the real question is whether to maintain the existing redirect or move the disambiguation page. I therefore request a determination of community consensus as to whether the status quo should be changed.bd2412T 02:08, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Comment There's really no need to keepAfrican (disambiguation) whenAfrican isn't even an article but a redirect and alot of topics are related to African on the English wikipedia. So I moved most entries on African (disambiguation) to African where it fits in properly with some description, you (bd2412) undid that edit. Also see (European andAsian). There are many other pages that are related to African people, apart fromNative ethnic groups of Africa that is why I created the African people Dab which you have undone to a redirect (see also (European people). Please keep the Dab pages to display other African-related pages on this wiki as ethnic topics are not the only african topics here. Thanks.Stanleytux (talk)02:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Whether this is the case or not is a matter for the community to determine by consensus. Your set of edits was effectively a cut-and-paste move of the existing disambiguation page, which is not permitted. The appropriate course of action at the outset would have been to file a move request atWikipedia:Requested moves, which expressly requires such a process in any circumstance where the potential move is likely to be controversial.bd2412T 02:38, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Comment The existing redirect seems problematic to me; there are a lot of things that are "African" that are not within the scope of that article. So I'd support amove request for the disambiguation page, provided thatWP:FIXDABLINKS is observed. --R'n'B (call me Russ)10:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, or disambiguate atAfrican as a second choice. I've just come from updating census data atNova Scotia which lists ethnic origins responses in the dataset, and being a government survey, uses vague response options like "African origins", but nothing more specific except for some European countries. I wikilinked that toAfrican people thinking there would be either an article or a list at the target. It falls underWP:RFD#KEEP #5 (someone finds it useful) but disambiguation is not a bad second option. I also wikilinkedScandinavian for one of the response options and that is already a dab page.Ivanvector 🍁 (talk)14:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I was going to state that it seems to me that "African" should redirect toAfrica, and that the African (disambiguation) page should remain. But if you look at similar examples, such asMexican andChinese, they are disambiguation pages instead of redirecting to Mexico and China respectively.Flyer22 (talk)02:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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I'll second that. --Tavix(talk)00:33, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Tewksbury ma

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The result of the discussion waskeep.(non-admin closure) --Tavix(talk)03:24, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Adding "ma" onto the end doesn't seem like an abbreviation of Maine when not capitalized and following a comma. Seems to cause unnecessary confusion.Compassionate727 (talk)17:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: "ma" in this case is the uncapitalized version of "MA", which is the abbreviation of Massachusetts, not Maine. It is widely known that the abbreviation of Maine is "ME". Both are commonly used without a comma. In addition, there is no such place as "Tewksbury, Maine". I find no confusion here whatsoever. The redirect is useful for those who forget to add a comma or to capitalize the abbreviation. SStephens13 (talk •contribs)18:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, that is what I mean. I was thinking about that because of a similar redirect I had gone over before that involved Maine. That was my fault.Compassionate727 (talk)18:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per SStephens13 and Ivanvector.Thryduulf (talk)13:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as all above. Many New England names derive from English names, and this is a weird one in British English spelling to start with, but I don't imagine anyone typing this is looking for anything other than the place in Massachusettes: they are not looking for a mother inTewksbury, Gloucestershire. If there is a confusion between Maine and Massachusettes we do need to DAB that somehow, butTewksbury, ME is red (as are capitalisation variants). We do haveTewksbury Township, New Jersey but that would be a stretch, I think, to DAB that way: AnywayTewksbury (disambiguation) serves the turn.
  • Comment I note we do not haveTewksbury, Gloucestershire in the UK as a redirect. We should probably do so to create that (and to then change the link at the DAB). But that is just gnoming and not very relevant to this decision except something to do maybe when closing: I shouldn't like to do it until we have consensus.Si Trew (talk)07:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I should say it was a stretch. (My middle name is Mark, by the way, but nobody has ever called me Ma. Wasn't "and never called me mother" one of those kinda standardmusic-hall/vaudevillestraplines? Anyway I am drifting again.) I can see,Tewkesbury, MA being reasonable, less soTewksbury, ma (Unless we start putting allZIP codes in all four variants of the possible capitalization).Mark Twain, as far as I can remember, was never calledMa Twain. Perhaps Mark Tewksbury is called that, but I don't know: in any case he is Canadian and nothing to do with Massachusettes. Does that muddy the waters sufficiently?Si Trew (talk)17:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Cultivate

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The result of the discussion wasretarget tocultivation(non-admin closure).Ivanvector 🍁 (talk)20:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

deletion. Inappropriate. Cultivate has many meanings other than in raising crops. Also redirects should not be a general verb relating to a broad subjectMistakefinder (talk)11:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I don't mind that, mine was just a weak alternative. To be honest there seems considerable overlap between the two (for fairly obvious reasons).Si Trew (talk)07:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Stage Races

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Relisted, seeWikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 26#Stage Races

Hypogram

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The result of the discussion wasdelete. --BDD (talk)23:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hypogram is not a term invented by Riffaterre, it deserves an own article (for example the term has been used in a different, but related way byFerdinand de Saussure in his anagram studies. Furthermore the target article does not even explain the term. Please delete the redirect such that we have decent red links. --Chricho ∀ (talk)07:35, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Shoo-gah-zee

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The result of the discussion wasdelete.Just Chilling (talk)01:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

deletion in accordance withWP:R#DELETE number 8: obscure or possibly foreign language synonym never discussed in target article.KDS4444Talk03:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete other than this redirect, I'm seeing exactly 2 other uses, both on mu4chan.com, one from ~February and one from March. The first is a pronunciation respelling for how it is not pronounced (and pronunciation respellings are rarely good redirects even when correct), the second seems to be using it as a deliberate error.Thryduulf (talk)12:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete with Thry.WP:NOTDIC and all that. I actually came to a completely different meaning for this, but that is remnants of my learning Japanese, which I have mostly forgotten.Si Trew (talk)06:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment.Window shopping would be the nearer for the Japanese translation, I think, but that is taking it all as aback translation. I am pretty sure this was originally Japanese and has been corrupted along the way to here. Shoegazing makes no sense. Tsu ga tsi would make some sense. Not much but a bit. Would mean contemplation, reflection, something like that, or if written differently, I love you, which perhaps would make more sense. But because it has gone through three languages, hard for me to make it out the original.Si Trew (talk)21:08, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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