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    Bible code

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    This is about[1] and[2]. Is this allowed?tgeorgescu (talk)07:11, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Also discussed atUser talk:Pineapple Storage#Learning. See alsofr:Sans garantie du gouvernement.tgeorgescu (talk)09:32, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I had a non-OR objection, commented on the talkpage.Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk)12:02, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether something is due inclusion is shown by secondary sources, a patent being issued is not notable unless it's reported on. The embedded link in the second diff should be removed perWP:CS:EMBED, "Embedded links should never be used to place external links in the content of an article". --LCUActivelyDisinterested«@» °∆t°15:03, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Context in articles

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    Is there an essay that talks about what is allowed in a "Context" section (or previous history for the topic) of a wiki-article and what sources are permissible?

    I often seeWP:OR in "Context" sections. It has been my belief that:

    (1) Statements of "context" in that sectionmust be found in reliable sources that discuss the specific subject ("S") of the wiki-article.
    (2) Reliable sources that do not discuss "S" of the wiki-article shouldnot be used.
    (3) Even if one source meets the requirements of (1) in discussing some related subject ("B"), it is still not appropriate to add sources discussing "B", unless those sources also discuss "S".

    I have always wondered about (3).

    So, for example, in theHitler article, editors should not include material about WWI or places he lived as "context" or "history"--unless it is in a source talking about the subject, Hitler. That article does seem to follow the three rules above. This issue doesn't seem to be spelled out atWP:OR.

    Is my understanding correct?

    If this is better atWikipedia talk:No original research, please let me know and I will move it.--David Tornheim (talk)21:41, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    If the article about Hitler used a source discussing his antisemitism to support a particular aspect of his believes, would it then be wrong to use a more generalised source about the history of antisemitism to put that in context? I don't think it would. You example about where he lived would be more an argument about whether the content was due, if works on Hitler rarely mention a place that he lived then the history of that place wouldn't be due for inclusion in the article about Hitler. --LCUActivelyDisinterested«@» °∆t°22:25, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the response. I got a similar responsehere. --David Tornheim (talk)06:38, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Some basic amount of synthesis is necessary for the basic act of writing an article. To pick an arbitrary example, inGeorge A. Mitchell, we say he was born in New York. We do not require a source to specifically say "It is notable that George A. Mitchell was born in New York"; we can infer this by common sense. It would be possible, using an unbelievably strict interpretation ofWP:OR, to say it's original research for us todecide on our own that his birthplace is notable. In practice, however, this is not done.
    In general, I am pretty firmly in favor of "background" sections, so long as they are good. (it is of course possible to write one that's a giant pile of shit, as for anything).
    This may indeed warrant an essay. Many things that seem like common sense end up being challenged on the basis of a fixation on policy (e.g. "there's no policy that says that you're allowed to cite a source saying 'he spoke english and spanish' to say 'he spoke spanish'").jp×g🗯️06:54, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Subcommunity

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    Would asserting that someplural people visualize aheadspace when sources say thatTulpamancy is under plurality as aumbrella term. A final source does not mention plurality in any way but mentions that Tulpamancers visualise a wonderland (synonyms w/ headspace).

    Some of the sources that include Tulpamancy in plurality say "when Tulpamancy is successful, it is seen as a form of plurality."

    Specifically, these sources are:

    • Eve, Zarah (28 May 2024). Exploring emerging multiplicity and psychosocial functioning: a constructivist grounded theory study (doctoral thesis). Manchester Metropolitan University.
    • Christensen, Emily M. (1 June 2022). "The online community: DID and plurality". European Journal of Trauma & Dissociation. 6 (2) 100257. doi:10.1016/j.ejtd.2021.100257. ISSN 2468-7499.
    • Pierre, Joe (13 February 2023). "Enacted Identities: Multiplicity, Plurality, and Tulpamancy". Psychology Today. Retrieved 30 June 2023.
    • Riesman, Abraham (29 March 2019). "The Best Cartoonist You've Never Read Is Eight Different People". Vulture. Retrieved 28 June 2023.
    • Telfer, Tori (11 May 2015). "Are Multiple Personalities Always a Disorder?". Vice. Retrieved 15 June 2020.

    The one that says Tulpamancers visualize is:

    • Hale, Elizabeth (28 May 2024). "The Inner Vehicle: Prayer, Tulpamancy, and the Magic of the Mind". NEXT. 7. (final source)

    -Flower (she/her)24.155.147.109 (talk)15:53, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Here are the relevant quotations from sources I can access (most of those)

    Schechter, Elizabeth (March 2024). "Introducing Plurals" (PDF). Journal of Cognition and Neuroethics. 9 (2): 95–141:

    Some systems are intentionally created through so‐called tulpamancy. Tulpamancy is a practice or set of practices undertaken with the intention of creating an autonomous sentient being “inside” (and of course using) one’s brain

    Nonetheless, when tulpamancy is successful, the tulpamancer experiences their tulpa or tulpas as being autonomous beings, just as occurs in traumagenic systems: so, although the tulpamancer will be aware of their tulpa’s (say) actions, they will feel as though they (the tulpamancer) are not the agent of those actions. Phenomenologically, then, all plu‐rals seem to share something.

    the term “system” is slightly different, referring instead to the collection of headmates all associated with one particular plural.

    Christensen, Emily M. (1 June 2022). "The online community: DID and plurality". European Journal of Trauma & Dissociation. 6 (2) 100257. doi:10.1016/j.ejtd.2021.100257. ISSN 2468-7499:

    This group often has a very elaborately developed inner world with relationships rich in detail where all parts of the system seem to have knowledge and access, as well as awareness to where they do not have access and why

    , there is a higher population with relational trauma due to neglect and some of these children create imaginary inner worlds to deal with the lack of presence of attachment figures (S� andor et al., 2021). In this way, fictives are, in part, at times, substitute introjects, and then the related rich inner worlds are further developed through maladaptive daydreaming (Somer, 2002, 2015, 2016a, 2016b).

    24.155.147.109 (talk)16:10, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Your posts are unclear: what article is this in regards to and what content do you want to add to that article that is supported by those sources? And have you already tried discussing this on the talk page for that article?Schazjmd (talk)16:39, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    yes, it has been talked about, but @ජපස has been a bit inactive. This is aboutPlurality (identity).24.155.147.109 (talk)16:44, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It's only been 2 days since ජපස edited so I suggest waiting until they continue the discussion since they appear to grasp whatever you're trying to do with that article.Schazjmd (talk)16:54, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @24.155.147.109: Please try to maintain patience with article writing and improvement. I have made some stylistic edits along with removing at least one bit of prose that stretches the sources beyond the limit of what I think it appropriate. Please continue discussion there.jps (talk)07:41, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Gantt chart

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    Under the "Criticism" section of thearticle the sentence "The Gantt chart is also poorly aligned with modern user interface (UI) design principles" appears, attributing it to this article:https://www.figma.com/resource-library/ui-design-principles/. This article never mentions Gantt charts by name and so I think its fair to say this is Original Research.

    (apologies if this is not the right place for this notice: I am fairly inexperienced in the ways of Wikipedia)— Precedingunsigned comment added byKTXEDCMRZV (talkcontribs)17:49, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    KTXEDCMRZV (talk)17:54, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    You're correct! I've removed the sentence and citation.Woodroar (talk)19:49, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Amazon Sales Rank and Sourcing for Social Movement Claims

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    The viewpoints of academic circles and social movement groups often diverge. My question concerns the selection of sources when documenting what a social movement is claiming. If the rationale for choosing a specific source is its high Amazon sales rank, would this be considered Original Research? I must emphasize that I am not intending to argue for or against the claims of any particular social movement; my sole objective is to summarize their arguments neutrally.--Otyuso23 (talk)21:02, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    There is nothing in WP:RS that suggests that how often a publication sells is any indicator of reliability whatsoever, and Amazon sales rank would be desperately poor measure of sales for academic publications, which tend largely to be purchased by institutions, likely direct from the publisher. So not only would it be WP:OR, but more or less irrelevant.AndyTheGrump (talk)21:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Academic sources are preferred, sales rank is irrelevant. --LCUActivelyDisinterested«@» °∆t°16:20, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @ActivelyDisinterested @AndyTheGrump Thank you for your reply. I will now change the focus of my question. If that is the case, then conversely, would removing such a statement be considered justified?Otyuso23 (talk)19:37, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Clearly. If anyone disputes this, direct them to this thread.AndyTheGrump (talk)20:57, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    OR on NIAC Page

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    National Iranian American Council has been consistently subject to vandalism, and over the last two years, politically charged/biased editors have sought to maintain the highly biased/not neutral lede intro to "lobbying group widely viewed as the de facto "Iran Lobby" in Washington, D.C. due to its history of lobbying for stances on behalf of, and aligned with, the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    The lede is currently adopting rhetoric of critics and presenting a controversial label as fact. None of the articles cited to source/justify actually make, substantiate or even suggest this claim. The sources cited consist of politically motivated commentary, reports on calls for investigation, or litigation coverage, none establishing that the statement they are trying to assert is fact. They are combining unrelated material to create a new, defamatory conclusion not present in the cited works.

    Here is some overview of each of the sources cited for this statement and how they are drawing a new, defamatory conclusion from unrelated sources:

    1. Josh Gerstein (13 September 2012). "Iranian-American group, leader lose libel case against writer". Politico. Retrieved 13 September 2012.https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/09/iranian-american-group-leader-lose-libel-case-against-writer-135502 This source is a factual court-reporting piece describing the outcome of NIAC’s defamation lawsuit against critic Hassan Dai who claimed that NIAC was an agent of the Iranian Regime. The article reports that a U.S. court dismissed NIAC’s lawsuit but does not assert or verify that the critic’s claims were true. Defamation suits are often dismissed on procedural or evidentiary grounds, not on factual determination. WP:RS and WP:BLP, court reporting cannot be used as evidence that the allegations are true unless the judgment explicitly states such findings, which this case did not.

    2. Eli Lake (13 November 2009). "Iran advocacy group said to skirt lobby rules". The Washington Times.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/13/exclusive-did-iranian-advocacy-group-violate-laws//print/ This article speculates that NIAC might have engaged in lobbying-like activities without registration but provides no evidence of violations, official findings, or independent verification. This source is from a politically conservative outlet with a known editorial bias. The piece uses conditional language (“said to,” “may have”) and anonymous sourcing. According to WP:RS/NEWSORG, publications that mix opinion and reporting or use unnamed sources require careful attribution. This piece cannot serve as a factual foundation for defining the organization’s purpose or ideology.

    3. Jerusalem Post (15 January 2020). "Senators call to investigate pro-Iran group - report". Retrieved 15 January 2020.https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Senators-call-to-investigate-pro-Iran-group-report-614191 This source is secondary coverage reporting that a small group of senators called for an investigation into NIAC. This article merely documents that a call for an investigation occurred. It provides no evidence, findings, or independent confirmation of the underlying accusations. Under WP:NEWSORG and WP:BLP, reporting that politicians called for an investigation is not equivalent to substantiating wrongdoing. Treating it as such misrepresents the source and constitutes synthesis.

    4. Lake, Eli (13 November 2009). "Exclusive: Iran advocacy group said to skirt lobby rules". The Washington Times. Retrieved 15 November 2024.https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/13/exclusive-did-iranian-advocacy-group-violate-laws/ A republication of the same 2009 article.Duplicate citation of an identical piece creates the false impression of multiple corroborating sources. This practice violates WP:SYN and WP:UNDUE by inflating the appearance of sourcing for a disputed claim.

    5. Johnston, Susannah (24 May 2023). "Did the Voice of America Cave to Iran's 'Lobby'?". Middle East Forum. Retrieved 9 January 2024.https://www.meforum.org/64452/did-the-voice-of-america-cave-to-iran-lobby This source is an opinion essay published by Middle East Forum, an advocacy organization known for ideological commentary. The article is explicitly editorial, contains unverified accusations, and provides no independent corroboration. NIAC is mentioned only tangentially as part of a political argument, not in a factual investigative capacity. Under WP:RS and WP:OPED, advocacy essays are not acceptable as factual sources. Quoting such material as proof of organizational behavior violates neutrality and verifiability.

    6. Dai, Hassan (29 June 2017). "How Trita Parsi and NIAC Used the White House to Advance Iran's Agenda". Tablet.https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/parsi-niac-advance-irans-agenda This source is an opinion essay authored by Hassan Dai, a long-time activist and litigant against NIAC. Tablet itself publishes a mix of essays, interviews, and editorials that often blur lines between reporting and commentary. The author’s involvement as a direct party in NIAC’s defamation case disqualifies him as an independent or neutral source. His claims represent his personal interpretation, not verified evidence. Under WP:RS and WP:BLP, self-interested or partisan material cannot be used to establish facts about living persons or their organizations. Relying on this article as proof of NIAC’s alignment with Iran constitutes a serious neutrality and BLP violation.— Precedingunsigned comment added byShawrami (talkcontribs)03:32, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Just to sayWP:BLP would only normally only apply to very small groups, not large organisations like NIAC. SeeWP:BLPGROUP. --LCUActivelyDisinterested«@» °∆t°16:34, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Neutral point of view (FALSEBALANCE) v No original research

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    Wikipedia prohibits No Original Research (NOR). Separate from that, however, the Neutral Point of View policy—and the issue of FALSEBALANCE must also be upheld. There is a potential conflict between these two guidelines.

    An issue arises when a 'specific source' either aligns with or contradicts the mainstream view, but there is no explicitly stated material confirming whether that 'specific source' is mainstream or not. In such a situation, can one violate NOR in order to uphold NPOV?--Otyuso23 (talk)19:48, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:NOR applies to article content only. Original research - i.e. figuring out for ourselves if a particular Wikipedia policy applies or not - is anecessary part of the article talk page editorial process. You aren't going to find sources outside Wikipedia discussing such arcane matters. We have to look at the sources available, and decide for ourselves where 'balance' lies. This, as a matter of routine, requires deciding, collectively, but for ourselves, whether a source is 'reliable' for something or not, whether it is mainstream or fringe, and much else besides. If there were rules for everything, and such editorial judgement wasn't needed, we could program the rules into a bot, leave it to write articles itself, and spend our newly-freed-up time watching YouTube videos of cats, or posing memes about graphic cards melting on Reddit.AndyTheGrump (talk)

    Does this material mean that neurodiversity organizations oppose disability-selective abortion?

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    Talk:Neurodiversity

    While researching neurodiversity organizations, I came across some information. These articles, by any measure, seem to indicate that neurodiversity groups oppose disability-selective abortion.

    Neurodiversity organizations acknowledge that abortion is a pregnant person's right. However, they argue that unlike non-selective abortion, disability-selective abortion constitutes discrimination. I included this point in an Article, but it was deleted by another user who cited 'original research' as the reason. Yet, the material below, in my opinion, clearly shows opposition to disability-selective abortion from any perspective. and the organizations themselves seem to have made their position known without concealing it.

    Evans, M. (2020). The Autistic Genocide Clock. In: Kapp, S. (eds) Autistic Community and the Neurodiversity Movement. Palgrave Macmillan, Singapore.

    The Autistic Genocide Clock was created by Autistic activist Meg Evans in 2005. The Clock was a ten-year countdown in the image of a clock in response to researcher Dr. Joseph Buxbaum’s public pronouncement that genetic research on autism could lead to a prenatal genetic test within 10 years. Evans’ point was that a prenatal genetic test for autism could lead to abortions of fetuses that test positive for autism: a form of genocide in her view. The Autistic Genocide Clock warned about the risk of genocide to the autistic population that drew parallels to historic attempts to eliminate minority groups. Evans took the clock down in 2011 after the prenatal test seemed unlikely and the culture had moved much further towards acceptance.

    John Pring on 4th November 2021, Autistic campaigners’ anger over Spectrum 10K protest lock-out and ‘scare tactics’, disabilitynewsservice.

    Nicky Vere-Compton warned that the research could eventually be used to encourage parents to abort unborn babies that had a genetic link to autism.

    She said: “We have already seen what happened when they found a DNA link for Down’s.

    “They used that as an opportunity to have conversations with the parents of unborn Down’s babies, saying, ‘Would you like to abort your child?’

    “And as a consequence, less Down’s babies are being born now.

    “If they find the DNA link for autism, which they won’t, because I don’t believe it exists, but if I’m wrong and they do, what will happen is that every doctor will be speaking to the parent of an unborn autistic and saying, ‘Would you like to abort your baby?’

    “The level of ignorance about the autistic neurotype means that more parents than not will say, ‘Oh no, I don’t want an autistic child’ and there will be less of us being born.

    David Gray-Hammond, who read out the statement, added: “On a personal note, I think most of us were lost for words when we saw this research come out… it’s yet another attack on the autistic community.

    “Yet again, people are trying to find out what causes autism, rather than actually support the ones that are already here.

    “Because we are here, we are human beings, we exist and we deserve support, and instead £3 million is being poured into research which could potentially be used to eradicate us.

    “We have a right to exist.”

    Autistic Self Advocacy Network, Letter to ACLU on Wrongful Birth and Life Statements, May 25, 2012

    We are writing as members of the disability community to express disappointment with your action alert this past March defending wrongful birth and wrongful life lawsuits. As civil rights advocates, we are grateful for the ACLU’s tireless work. However, we strongly feel that your defense of these suits fails to address issues that reach beyond reproductive choice and that profoundly affect people with disabilities. We would like to schedule a meeting with you to begin a dialogue between our organizations. People with disabilities see these lawsuits as involving distinct issues unrelated to abortion, namely the harm to society when courts make decisions about the value of the lives of individuals with disabilities who have already been born. We are disappointed that an organization committed to and with a long history of protecting civil liberties and human rights, particularly the rights of traditionally marginalized or underrepresented communities, would support a policy that dehumanizes people with disabilities and devalues their lives.Wrongful birth and wrongful life lawsuits have as their basis the assumption that life with a disability is not worth living, which goes against the principles of the disability rights movement and the Americans with Disabilities Act. These actions require parents to publicly reject their child because of a disability. Only parents who convince the court that their child should never have been born are eligible to win a wrongful birth or wrongful life lawsuit. Similarly, because not every disability will be considered significant enough to win a wrongful birth or life lawsuit, courts are required to make decisions about which types of disabilities are “so bad” that parents should be compensated for having the child.

    Autistic Self Advocacy Network of Australia and New Zealand, "History of Autistic Advocacy: How we got here"

    Meanwhile, Meg Evans’ Genocide Clock warns of the dangers of prenatal autism screening, raising concerns about the erasure of autistic lives.

    — Precedingunsigned comment added byOtyuso23 (talkcontribs)22:54, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I think there's a biggerWP:DUE concern than OR, but I'd agree withthe revert of the addition on the basis that it seems unwarranted to add an entire level-two section on autism advocacy groups' views on selective abortion to an article whose topic isNeurodiversity. There's also a bit of OR to take statements that are largely (although not exclusively)WP:PRIMARY statements by autism advocacy groups and then assert in wikivoice thatneurodiversity groups acknowledge that abortion is a pregnant person's right. However, they argue that disability-selective abortion, as opposed to non-selective abortion, constitutes discrimination. To make such a sweeping statement in wikivoice, you should be relying on coverage of neurodiversity advocacy groups in non-advocacy publications (e.g. peer-reviewed literature, mainstream news press) that frame their perspectives in such terms. Generalizing primary statements to make wikivoice claims about a broad category of groups purported to be similar to those making the statements is OR.signed,Rosguilltalk16:10, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    May I interpret this text as specifically stating that 'neurodiversity' opposes 'selective abortion'?
    Steve Silberman,NeuroTribes: The Legacy of Autism and the Future of Neurodiversity, Avery Publishing, ISBN 978-1-58333-467-6, pp.470.

    “Neurodiversity advocates propose that instead of viewing this gift as an error of nature—a puzzle to be solved and eliminated with techniques like prenatal testing and selective abortion—society should regard it as a valuable part of humanity’s genetic legacy while ameliorating aspects of autism that can be profoundly disabling without adequate forms of support.”

    Otyuso23 (talk)01:44, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @RosguillOtyuso23 (talk)02:27, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The independent sources would probably justify a sentence or two in the section about neurodiversity in the disability rights movement.signed,Rosguilltalk05:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The original dispute appears to have been putting a short section on disability selective abortion intoNeurodiversity. It was reverted asWP:OR which seems a bit of a stretch unless there's a bunch of sources disputing the claim. It's a tiny bitWP:SYNTH but certainly not the worst I've ever seen from someone trying to make a summary of a view that seems widely held. I am a bit on the fence about whether the material isWP:DUE.Simonm223 (talk)12:07, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Is this sentence synthesis?

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    NZDF response: With its narrow focus on harm reduction, the NZDF has been unable to exert any influence over what has been described as "a serious and rapidly escalating public health crisis." Executive Director of the Foundation, Sarah Helm, suggests "a much larger investment in addiction treatment" is needed and "an extension of Te Ara Oranga", the methamphetamine harm reduction initiative that was trialled in Northland.[1] However, in December 2024, Northland had the highest consumption of methamphetamine in the entire country.[2]

    References

    Note the second reference does not mention the programme nor does it ascribe any fault towards the NZDF for this increase. The article in quesiton isNew Zealand Drug FoundationTraumnovelle (talk)18:52, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I appreciate that you are trying to give a neutral notice, but making sense of the issue or the rambling discussion atTalk:New Zealand Drug Foundation is difficult. Is there a diff that sums up the claimed problem? That is, exactly what text do some editors want to add and which others want to remove and/or change? You can comment at article talk with a link to here.Johnuniq (talk)03:26, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The specific issue is this diff[3]Traumnovelle (talk)04:29, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    Fermat's factorization method

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    I added a way to find the optimal a_max, I just want to say is that original research?— Precedingunsigned comment added byLtypestar2 (talkcontribs)04:47, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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