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That's my bad! As I said on the move discussion,I've been canvassed before, so I assumed it was okay. Thank you for the advice on future move discussions!
The first edition ofour new monthly contest had perhaps a little less participation than I hoped for, but it still resulted in a huge amount of content work, mainly focussed on de-stubbing articles on little-known species, although we did also see two GAs forHolozoa andHypericum perforatum. Overall, over 60 articles were improved, with most going from stubs or redlinks to fully fleshed out articles. The winner this month wasSimongraham, who improved 21 articles about spiders, mainly to B and C class, and racked up 70 points, over twice the next highest. Hopefully, we'll continue to see such great work next month, with even more participants and even more articles improved. Also anyone who wants to help coordinate the contest can just drop by atthe talk page, I really need help.
September DYKs
Republicopteron douseae fossil
MalePhallichthys fish
Mimodactylus reconstruction
Adult ashy flycatcher
... that with all knownPalaeorehniidae fossils(example pictured) being incomplete, the relationships of the family are uncertain? (September 2)
... that butterfly collectorIan Heslop was once required to supervise an execution? (September 3)
... thatPhallichthys (literally 'penis fish') species are so called because the males(example pictured) have "comparatively huge" sex appendages? (September 8)
... thatmerry widows like soft bottoms? (September 10)
... thatMimodactylus(reconstruction pictured) is the first complete pterosaur from the Afro-Arabian continent? * ... that smallPoecilia gillii males have longersex organs than larger males, to facilitate mating with females that flee from them? (September 12)
Hi dear SchreiberBike. The second paragraph of the lead section of the articleWildlife of Zimbabwe says: "In the 1990s, it became one of the leading countries in Africa in wildlife conservation and management with a reported income generation US$300 million per year from the protected areas of the state, rural community run wildlife management areas and private game ranches and reserves." I think that an "of" is required before "US$300 million" and also a full stop must come before "rural community". As I am not a native speaker of English, I decided not to make any changes to the article, but please do so if what I say is right or explain why what I say is not right. Thanks in advance.Taddah (talk)11:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason this genus is placed in Riodinidae in the (automated?) taxobox. This should be Lycaenidae.Would you be so good as to fix this.Best regardsNotafly (talk)20:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC) PS Polyommatinae is also placed in RiodinidaeIt looks as though the "parents" part of the taxobox is incorrect[reply]
@Notafly andRodrigo Conte: Sorry it's taken so long to get to this. I thinkthis may have fixed it. Take a look and see if it looks right to you. I've not worked with automated taxoboxes much recently so I'm not sure if I did it right. I've pinged Rodrigo Conte who made the change to see if his understanding matches with mine. Take care, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 23:11, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Very many thanks.Everything I checked seems ok.Best regardsNotafly (talk)19:21, 27 October 2023 (UTC) Did you note we have lost Alan Cassidy as an editor.He has made endless contributions and added marvellous photos.A well known expert on Lycaenidae he has been blocked due to (to my mind) his political and social views.Alan was a military officer not a diplomat.I will try and contact him and maybe make amends.[reply]
The second edition ofour monthly contest was even better than the last month, with 80 articles improved spanning the entire tree of life. The winner this month wasQuetzal1964, who contributed to 47 articles, mainly relating tomarine fish, and racked up 81 points in the process. In second place wassimongraham, who got 60 points from 14 articles on various species ofjumping spiders.simongraham is still at the top of our overall standings, with 130 points, andQuetzal1964's close behind on 108. The November edition of the contest is now open: feel free to drop by and participate if you work on any TOL-related articles this month.
October DYKs
Illustration of swordtail mollies
Lycorma meliae
Illustrations of the front foot (A) and hind foot (B) ofDiplobune quercyi
... that theswordtail molly(examples pictured) and thePetén molly have been named and renamed so often, one even ending up with the other's name at one point, that the swordtail molly's currentscientific name means 'confusion'? (October 8)
... that the early big catPachypanthera may have weighed as much as 142 kilograms (313 lb) and had teeth similar to a hyena's? (October 9)
... that ancient Greek philosopherXenophon thought thealopekis was part dog, part fox? (October 11)
... that the wings ofLycorma meliae(example pictured) undergo multiple color changes throughout their lives? (October 16)
... that the three-toed species ofDiplobune(fossils pictured) were mammals of the order of "even-toed ungulates"? (October 17)
... that although fossils of the extinct mammalAsiavorator were first found in 1922, the genus was not named until 73 years later, in 1995? (October 18)
... that in aquariums, thehumpbacked limia is known to cannibalise the young? (October 21)
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The third edition ofour monthly contest sawQuetzal1964 win for the second month in a row, scoring 68 points from 39 articles about a variety of marine fishes. In second place for the month isOlmagon, who scored 45 points from 10 articles on extinct crustaceans and geckoes. In the overall standings,Quetzal1964 leapfrogged oversimongraham into first place, with 176 points from 109 articles;simongraham is now in second place with 136 points from 37 articles. The December edition of the contest is now open: feel free to drop by and participate if you work on any TOL-related articles this month.
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Now, this newsletter is technically not new, but I have only recently become aware of its existence and am only a month late, so it still counts.Wikiproject Fungi'sLichen task force hasa new newsletter that is very nicely formatted and also features much better writing thanthis newsletter. Anyone interested in receiving the newsletter can add their namehere.
... thatlife exists in every part of thebiosphere, from the deepest parts of the ocean(bacterium pictured) to altitudes of up to 64 km (40 miles) in the atmosphere? (November 6)
... thatSivapardus was larger than a leopard, smaller than a lion, and had a face like a cheetah? (November 7)
... that the geckoParoedura maingoka(pictured) imitates venomous scorpions to discourage predators? (November 13)
... that the scenic fields ofnorthern wyethia(pictured) found in the western United States are sometimes a sign that an area has beenovergrazed? (November 15)
... that at a maximumstandard length of roughly 2 cm (0.8 in),dwarf pufferfish are some of the smallest pufferfish in the world? (November 18)
... that the authors ofThe Neanderthals Rediscovered learned that their book proposal had been accepted on the same day they took their twin sons home from hospital? (November 20)
... that hatchlingBalkan terrapins are only 3 to 4 centimetres (1.2 to 1.6 in) in length, while adults(example pictured) can grow as long as 25 cm (9.8 in)? (November 21)
And so ends the fourth edition of themonthly rolling contest, as well as the 2023 Tree of Life Contest as a whole. This month sawsimongraham win with a very impressive 120 points from 27 articles.Quetzal1964 was second with 74 points from 37 articles. The annual contest was a close race between simongraham and Quetzal1964; simongraham won first place with 256 points from 64 articles, and Quetzal1964 was second with 250 points from 146 articles.Snoteleks was third with 79 points from 33 articles. Congratulations to everyone who won this year and my gratitude to everyone else who helped raise the quality of articles in our little corner of Wikipedia this year. Additionally, a very Happy New Year to everyone in the project and here's looking forward to continuing our good work in 2024!
... that the green colour ofbofedales(examples pictured) stands out in the yellow surrounding landscape? (December 6)
... thatDesulfovibrio vulgaris can remove toxic heavy metals from the environment? (December 8)
... thatVarroa destructor(example pictured), the Varroa mite, is an external parasiticmite that attacks and feeds onhoney bees and is one of the most harmful honey-bee pests in the world? (December 11)
... that the Antarctic lichenBuellia frigida has been to outer space? (December 22)
... that the closest modern fern relatives toDennstaedtia christophelii(fossil pictured) of the Pacific Northwest are tropical species from South America? (December 24)
... that in Icelandic folklore, theYule cat eats people who do not receive new clothing for Christmas? (December 25)
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Our first double issue inalmost four years, although we will try to return to a monthly schedule henceforth (incidentally, the last double issue sawMarkham's storm petrel at GAN, and this one sees it finally pass FAC).
TheMarch 2024 GAN Backlog Drive starts today; everyone is welcome to participate and help reduce the backlog of GANs.
The January edition of ourmonthly rolling contest was won byQuetzal1964 with 100 points from 40 articles, mainly related to various species of marine fish.simongraham was second with 80 points from 14 articles on jumping spiders.
The February edition sawQuetzal1964 win for the second time in a row, with 114 points from 43 articles. In second place wasSnoteleks, with 21 points from 7 seven articles on various unicellulareukaryotes, including the GATelonemia.
January DYKs
... thatDacrytherium, literally meaning 'tear beast', was named after its "tear-pit"? (3 January)
... that thewood-pasture hypothesis posits that semi-open wood pastures and not primeval forests are the natural vegetation of temperate Europe? (5 January)
... that until April 2023, when thegenusTriassosculda was discovered, themantis shrimp fossil record contained a gap of more than a hundred million years? (5 January)
... that althoughOlga Hartman believed that herbasic research on marine worms had no practical value, it was applied to experimental studies of oysters? (6 January)
... thatOxford ivy grows towards the light to bloom and then towards the darkness when going to seed? (17 January)
... thatS. F. Light(pictured) disliked using his full name? (20 January)
... that the fossil turtleAcherontemys was named for a "river of the fabled lower world"? (26 January)
... that having lived in Central Park for more than a year after becoming homeless,Flaco(pictured) has been accused of being a peeping tom? (19 February)
@Clarityfiend: No matter. I know some people do not think of people as animals, but I do think most people do think of people as primates. I like clarity too, and it seemed to be a loss of such, but I can let it go. Keep up the good work. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 12:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This redirect appeared on a list I run on the Wikipedia database for redirects that are errors. I'd like you to tag it for CSD G7 speedy deletion because a) no one will know that this discussion is called "MOS:TITLETYPOCON" except for you so it really only serves a purpose for you, not for our editors, even those interested in MOS discussions. Secondly, b) as soon as the talk page gets archived, it will no longer be accurate because the discussion will be placed in the archives, not on the main talk page where this links to. I could tag it for an MFD discussion but I thought I'd first explain why these types of individual redirects are not useful and give you a chance to rethink its creation. Thank you.LizRead!Talk!03:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Liz, My rough model for this shortcut wasWikipedia:BIRDCON which has been in place without objection since 2014. As I explained in the edit summary when I created it, "I will monitor the target page and change the link when that discussion is archived." I had planned to add the{{shortcut}} template to the MoS talk page, but I started with the redirect to be sure it would work. I think this redirect is useful, so I'd like to discuss further. Thank you, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 11:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is appreciated. I'm still not sure about this page. I did realize that a discussion would go to RFD not MFD. Let's see if any other editors have an objection to it.LizRead!Talk!16:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The second round of the WikiCup was very competitive, requiring the highest points total to advance since 2014. Two TOL editors,AryKun andFritzmann2002, advanced to the third round.
The March edition of ourmonthly rolling contest was won bysimongraham, who amassed 118 points from 21 articles on various species of jumping spider; in second place wasQuetzal1964 with 109 points from 53 articles on marine ray-finned fish.
Quetzal1964 and simongraham were also the top two in the April edition, although Quetzal was ahead this time, with 68 points to simongraham's 48. In the annual leaderboard, Quetzal and simongraham are in first and second place respectively, with 291 and 246 points; in third place isSnotoleks, with 76 points.
... that thecherry blossom was used symbolically in Japanese World War IIpropaganda, with falling petals representing "young soldiers' sacrifice for the emperor"? (8 March)
... that theKīlauea lava cricket disappears from a lava field as soon as any plants start to grow there? (13 March)
... thatJulian Assange's lawyer argued that the rules set by theEcuadorian embassy requiring Assange to take care of his pet catMichi were "denigrating"? (13 March)
... that thewhite-tailed jay(example pictured) found in Ecuador and Peru was once thought to have been brought to Mexico bypre-Columbian trade? (5 April)
I realised that on wiki the common names have caps only for titles. I had never come accross since a lot of books or websites don't apply this rule but my bad. I don't really get why it would apply to name in French though. The caps are mandatory in French when you are refering to a specific species. I'm just trying to understand the logic not really force my edit.Arkin40700 (talk)12:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Arkin40700: Thanks for your note. In English, species common names are often capitalized in guide books and lists for emphasis, but not in running text in general publications. I've read books about butterflies where the butterfly common names are capitalized, but the bird names are not, and vise versa. Wikipedia, being an encyclopedia about everything, decided to stick with lower case. That was a difficult decision as the people with interest in birds, especially, were used to their birding guides which consistently capitalized common names.I'm not a French speaker, but my observation of French is that species common names are sometimes capitalized and sometimes not. I just looked at the French Wikipedia articles for the first three birds onList of birds of Metropolitan France:Oie des neiges,Oie cendrée, andOie rieuse and found that the names were capitalized mid-sentence 4 times out of 5, 2 times of 14, and 1 time out of 3 respectively. So, in that small sample it looks like in French Wikipedia they are not mandatory or even the majority. Even if capitalization was French Wikipedia's style, we'd follow English Wikipedia's style. Keep up the good work. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 13:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tried translating it to English on DeepL.com and it seemed accurate.
I've updated those articles in French. I try to focus more taxonomy and scientific but when I come accross those kind of small mistakes I correct them.Arkin40700 (talk)13:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've never looked atConventions typographiques, but I figured there was something like that. Clearly the rules are different on French and English Wikipedia. I've no formal training in French but I know plenty of words and I've spent some wonderful time in Provence, so I feel like I can figure out a lot (and sometimes I can see where translations lead astray). My best to you. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 16:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have made a page for a Swiss sculptor (from the same region as me), Marc Raymond, on the French Wikipedia. I was wondering how to do an English translation of this page. I have tried to translate but it is only for experience editors from the English Wikipedia.
@Adamdoter: Thanks for your note. I'm in a busy period just now and haven't had much time for Wikipedia. I will be away from my computer completely for the next four days. I took a quick look atUser:Adamdoter/Marc Raymond and it looks reasonable, but needs some work. Since you asked, I'd be happy to work on it with you next week, but if someone else can work on it sooner, they should feel free. There's all kinds of helpful information atWikipedia:Translation andHelp:Translation that I've not read, but I'll bet, like most of Wikipedia's rules, it is somewhat overwhelming. My French is not nearly good enough to translate, but I'd be happy to edit the English version. Thank you, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 12:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,
Thank you very much, I feel relieved really, because I am a bit lost with all Wikipedia rules and my English isn't the best.
Please take your time, no hurry, and if you can help me out with this traduction I will really appreciate !
Hi SchreiberBike - the pic I swapped out onTalk:List of birds of Yuma County, Arizona is very low quality; I was orphaning it with a view to nominating it for deletion at Commons. Does that affect your decision? Usually, a pic in use won't get deleted, though I see that several other images on that talk page are dead links, so maybe use on talk pages doesn't preclude deletion? Thanks! -MPF (talk)22:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPF: I don't know anything about deletion at Commons. I wouldn't think that an image used only on a talk page would have much value, but I'm sure there's a history of precedents about such things. When I reverted your change, I was thinking of how I'd feel if someone modified a message I'd sent, even if it had been posted long ago. I think the best thing is that the image is deleted and the image turns into red text with the file name. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 02:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you tell if the edits being made by 102.19.xxx on that article are at all legitimate? None are sourced, and they don't engage at any of their talk page(s). I don't know enough to tell if they're making stuff up, or if it's factual information.Joyous!Noise!00:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joyous!: I wonder too. I sure would prefer to have a reference for each fact, but when I look at their pattern of edits they don't seem like a vandal. I've checked a few of the additions and they look reasonable, but I've not checked everything or checked thoroughly. In cases like this I assume good faith and hope I'm right. If you've got any further insight, please share. Thanks and keep up the good work. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 02:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Greatstrongholder: I made the change at Vulva, but not at Ear. Ear is marked as a good article, which means there has been some review and what is there has some validity. I think your note atTalk:Ear asking for the same change will probably get a response from someone with more expertise and experience with the article than I. Thank you, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 01:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted edits on List of birds of Papua New Guinea
I removed the Dusky Megapode because it is simply not in Papua New Guinea. I removed and added a few more birds, since it seems like someone assumed that the article was for list of birds of new guinea as a whole, which it is not.Qwexcxewq (talk)23:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Qwexcxewq: That makes perfect sense. A note in the edit summary tells other editors why an edit is made. Without that note it's hard to tell what is an edit made for good reasons and what is random vandalism. Thanks for your note above and keep up the good work. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 00:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't understand why you insist that this species lives in Mongolia. If you have evidence, we can discuss this topic. Meaning the Gobi pit viperErdenetushig (talk)08:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Erdenetushig: It looks like you are writing aboutList of reptiles of Mongolia where you have removed "* Gobi pit viper ( ''[[Gloydius stejnegeri]]'')" three times without explanation.Edit summaries are one of the simplest ways the editors of Wikipedia communicate. The two times I have reverted your unexplained change I have used the edit summary "Undo unexplained edit". That's the edit summary I usually use if someone removes content which looks reasonable and doesn't explain why. I also did a quick web search and found that some sources, including Wikipedia, reportGloydius stejnegeri in Mongolia. If you make a change to a page, please explain to other editors why you are making the change.Why do you thinkGloydius stejnegeri should be removed from List of reptiles of Mongolia? I've done further research this morning, and it looks like there is not general agreement on taxonomy, with some treating it as a species and others treating it as a subspecies ofGloydius halys orGloydius intermedius. I have no specialist knowledge about snakes, but that's what I found. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Erdenetushig: The source you linked above says "Distribution China, SE Mongolia". I read that as China and south-east Mongolia. That's different from Inner Mongolia. That source says the species is found in Mongolia.I know little about reptiles or Mongolia, and I suspect you have much more knowledge about both. I respect that, but Wikipedia has to report whatreliable sources say. Do you have other better sources that meet Wikipedia's standards for reliability? SchreiberBike | ⌨ 15:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Erdenetushig: You know what? I found that the species was added by@Comores 123 without an explanation, just like you tried to remove it without an explanation. I didn't revert it at the time because it was confirmed byGloydius stejnegeri, but Wikipedia is not a reliable source either. Unless Comores 123 makes a counter argument (I've pinged them above), let's leave it out. Thanks, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 00:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not create publications, herpetology is just my job. And I try to correct mistakes that are made due to ignorance of the Mongolian herpetofauna.Erdenetushig (talk)02:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings. I thank you for catching the spelling error and the copy editing on the page of Judge Eugene R. Sullivan. I noted that you said "more work needed" and I'm wondering if you mean the page needs another review or whether you had more edits yourself and did not have the time. I would be happy to do the "more work needed" if you can point me in the right direction.
@Absent.Editor: Thanks for the note. I'm in a busy period, but I'll take another look at it in a couple of days, probably Friday. More work is needed; mostly I remember over-capitalization of job titles, some things I'd convert to lists rather than individual paragraphs, and the article is probably more positive -hagiographic - than is appropriate for an encyclopedia. Take a look atour manual of style, but we've got so many rules and you don't need to absorb them all before doing any more editing. Mostly just do good writing and as you hang around here, you'll pick up the local particularities. Welcome and enjoy collaborating with us all. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 20:50, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've undone your edits. Some are worthwhile, but most aren't, and attempting to fix 'typos' as you understand themin quotes constitutes nothing more than vandalism. Nb. 'University' refers to the University of Edinburgh, a 'Royal Warrant' requires a capital R, 'Professor' refers to the Professor of Greek/Humanity/Classics (e.g., also your corrections for 'Humanity' to 'humanity', as if the latter was the same!) . Much could do with changing and improving, I'm sure, but please only do this if you are going to do it well/know what you're doing!Psychopompologist (talk)17:00, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi@Psychopompologist: RegardingProfessor of Classics (Edinburgh), I encourage you to check outWikipedia's Manual of Style. Wikipedia, like other publications, has its own style. As an encyclopedia of nearly everything, it does not follow a specific university's style or the style in which universities tend to write about themselves. Wikipedia style as expressed atWikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters starts with"Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. In English, capitalization is primarily needed for proper names, acronyms, and for the first letter of a sentence." I'll leave it to you to follow it so your work fits in with other articles on Wikipedia. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 17:27, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
Thanks for this. I only wish to note that University [of Edinburgh], Professor (the Chair, not the academic rank), and, for example, Humanity are all proper nouns and thus require a capital. This has nothing to do with the University of Edinburgh's own style guide, but rather with the principles of English grammar.
Unsurprising, where prime minister refers to the position (prime minister) and not the office holder, e.g., Prime Minister Lloyd George. Cf. professor and Professor [of Greek], whereby the latter refers (as the style guide notes of Minister of Foreign Affairs) to the office.
E.g.,
The professor, who was the Professor of Humanity at the University of Edinburgh, worked at a university.
Hi SchreiberBike - "Adding back the commas. To use the common name and the scientific name with no punctuation would be unusual and unclear" – actually, the exact opposite is true. If you look in scientific literature, the norm isnot to have any punctuation between vernacular and scientific names; to include commas implies they are separate different items in a list, which they aren't. See e.g.here (scroll down to species list from p. 600). Hope you won't mind if I remove them again! -MPF (talk)13:45, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@MPF: I checked your talk page and now I remember talking with you before about this. I don't like arguing and usually I just go with the flow, but I honestly and respectfully think you are wrong, at least for what works best on Wikipedia. Go ahead and revert me if you want, but if I get the time and the gumption, I'll widen the discussion and try to reach a consensus among those who work with such lists. I think your preference for using two different kinds of name in a row with no punctuation is confusing and different from what is common on Wikipedia and that we should clarify what our practice should be. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 14:03, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Aye, might be one to widen among other folk here, I'll get round to opening a discussion on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds page some time (not sure when, a bit busy at the moment!). I'll leave them in for now, until any outcome -MPF (talk)14:32, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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