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	Many thanks for all your hard work over the year. BestDoc James (talk ·contribs ·email)00:16, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back :-)Doc James (talk ·contribs ·email)22:04, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

June

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some wildflowers of thanks and understanding --Gerda Arendt (talk)11:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, forgive me for being a busybody, but a couple of things aboutWP:CBAN. First, the ban is usually recorded atWP:Editing restrictions. Second, although not required, you can place a tag on the editor's userpage. A non-administrator did that, and I reverted because it's your call and because non-admins shouldn't be tagging other editor's userpages anyway.--Bbb23 (talk)21:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I believe that Mzmadmike shouldn't have been placed inEditing Restrictions, because it states that "editors who are subject to site bans are listed at Category:Banned Wikipedia users instead". Feel free to ignore this if I'm incorrect, that's just how I understand it and I wanted to bring it up to you. Best, --Rockstonetalk to me!01:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right, but I was just following the instructions in the above section.Jonathunder (talk)02:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I would undo it, but I really don't feel like drawing any more ire againstBbb23 (They're also wrong about non-administrators not being allowed to place CBAN tags on users, but that's a separate issue). I guess maybe ask another admin? --Rockstonetalk to me!02:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing to undo because Jonathaunder hasn't put the user in editing restrictions. However, you bring up an interesting point because editing restrictions does say what you said, but that conflicts with WP:CBAN. If you want to do something useful, I would go to the talk page of WP:CBAN and point out the discrepancy because it should be resolved. As for the category, when Jonathaunder undid my revert at the user's userpage the ban tag automatically places the user in the category, but it's a hidden category. Hope this helps a bit.--Bbb23 (talk)02:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I'm wrong, Jonathunder edited a section of it, and that doesn't show up in the history of the overall page. I'm not sure what I'd do at this point, but I think I'd undo the editing restriction edit, at least for the moment, but I don't see any of this as urgent, and I'm going off-wiki now.--Bbb23 (talk)02:19, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go make a note on the talk page ofWP:CBAN about it, thank you for the suggestion! I think the reason indefinite bans aren't supposed to be listed inEditing Restrictions is for the same reason we don't have LOBU anymore: basically they just amount to gravedancing. At least, that's how I understand it. --Rockstonetalk to me!02:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quick edit: Ithink the intent is that a community site-ban sanction be logged by adding the banned user template to the user page, which is what I was trying to do when I applied the template to Mzmadmike's userpage (which like you said, causes it to show up in the list of banned users category, which is what we would want). That's at least how I reconciled current practice (posting the CBAN template on a userpage) with what it says. Like I said, I'll make a post about it in the talk page. I almost think I should make a post at the village pump regarding revising the whole way we do community site bans. --Rockstonetalk to me!02:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ottavio Bottecchia has been tagged with needing ref improvement. Can you help remedy that? Otherwise, if I can't fix it myself, I may be forced to replace him. Thanks. --- Coffeeandcrumbs15:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced him withKurmanbek Bakiyev (b. 1949) as this will be his 70th birthday and the article is better referenced. Feel free, of course, to undo that or replace with a third person if you find someone better.Jonathunder (talk)16:41, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there,

I see in the history of the article that you AC-ed it today for a week, but the padlock doesn't seem to have appeared - could you confirm that you added the {{}} bit of it? Or that there isn't another issue at play?

It may need EC-protection if another AC-permissioned editor vandalises it.

Nosebagbear (talk)17:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the note. When I've protected a page in the past, I think a bot or someone who attends to such things has applied the padlock, but to be perfectly honest, I haven't paid attention. Can anyone watching this page do what is needed or tell me what to do?Jonathunder (talk)16:56, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Judging from a previous protection action, it looks like you have to add thePage protection template manually.|Uncle Milty |talk|17:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An automated process has detected that when you recently editedMinnesota State Highway 277, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation pageChippewa County (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver).

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Today I made it to Lakewood Cemetery and came away with a not great but usable image. Maybe you can do better. I wondered if Lakewood accepts money for cleanup of graves. Most of her family is there but it's difficult to see exactly where. I couldn't find her brother Nebraska, the pianist.File:Dorsey_Lakewood_Cemetery_20190928.jpg. -SusanLesch (talk)23:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So good to hear from you again, Susan. Could I ask what time of day the photo was taken? Perhaps an overcast day later this fall will provide more even light and good color. I can try. Do you have the specific location of this marker?Jonathunder (talk)13:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Jonathunder the Kind.Burial Search for "Ida Dorsey" will yield a link to "Print Map" which is a map of Section 11. She's in Lot 506 which can be inferred to be close to "Priene." Priene is a small monument and I never saw "Bulmer" that the map labels. The tree might be the best landmark to help you find the Dorseys. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:39, 1 October 2019 (UTC) P.S. I think I made this one around noon. -SusanLesch (talk)14:51, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey,Jonathunder. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of theWikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!PATHSLOPU11:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Jonathunder,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join theFifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards,Chris Troutman (talk)01:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember to checkSpecial:WhatLinksHere when moving a file without a redirect and update any links pointing to that file. In the case of File:2019-10-07DanFeehan.jpg, a redirect should have been left behind perWP:FILEREDIRECT andWP:PMRC. While you are the uploader and can change the file name to whatever you would like, "Overly long name" would generally fall underWP:FMNN unless the name was seriously approaching the 240 byte limit. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk)11:21, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need for a redirect to the overly long name you came up with, as it will never be used. For one thing, it's not a unique description: the file on Commons is also of Feehan at a campaign announcement. You might have asked me before moving the file.Jonathunder (talk)13:07, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mia Native American Artists Edit-a-Thon

Hello Jonathunder. You are invited to attend aNative American Artists edit-a-thon at the Minneapolis Institute of Art (Mia) on Saturday, November 9, 2019, from 11am to 4pm. In celebration of Native American Heritage Month, join in honoring Native American artists whose work is represented in Mia's collections by creating or enhancing Wikipedia articles. Date: Saturday, November 9, 2019 Location:Minneapolis Institute of Art, 2400 Third Avenue South, Minneapolis Pleaseregister here

Thank you for the invitation, but I will be attending theWikiConference North America 2019.Jonathunder (talk)14:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to continue the discussion on theStatue of Leif Erikson (Boston), but in the meantime, just wanted to thank you for your work expanding the article. Just FYI, if you're interested in public art/sculpture in Boston in general, I am currently using the project pageWikipedia:WikiProject Sculpture/Boston to expandList of public art in Boston and create articles about public artworks in the city. I'll be creating a similar list for Cambridge as well. I doing this work ahead and of the upcoming WikiConference and hope to continue creating many more pages! Thanks again for your help. ---Another Believer_(Talk)16:02, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I plan to go to the same conference; perhaps I'll see you there. I found the monument when compiling a list of sites to visit and try to improve the photos, as I have long been interested in Leif Eriksson and Norse exploration in general, being from Minnesota and claiming descent from Vikings.Jonathunder (talk)16:10, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathunder, I'll be there!, so say hi if you see me around. I hope to visit some of these monuments as a walk around the city outside the conference. Whether or not you tackle any other public artwork articles, happy editing! ---Another Believer_(Talk)16:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

I see you made a change to my edit rights based on The SignPost article. I gave SmallBones the citation to the AN Closure Board of the ANI Review of all of these same allegations, but he did not use it. SoWhy, an uninvolved admin summarizing the admin consensus said Feinberg’s story was written by someone who “has no idea how Wikipedia works” and that I had not violated any Wikipedia policies or Terms of Use.[1]. Swarm, an admin who was involved in the discussion, did his own summary of the ANI review: "Eight admins have replied to the thread. All eight appear to be on the same page that the article is exaggerated sensationalism, and that the editor has not actually has done anything wrong. It has been suggested that the user should probably be more concise, but we haven't seen anything to support the notion that they're relentlessly argumentative or engage in "bludgeoning" behavior."[2] The ANI review included the PayTalk and bludgeoning accusations that Smallbones is bringing up again. Dozens of editors looked at every contribution I ever made and found no violation. My entire consulting practice is based on ethical behavior and strictly following Wikipedia policies.

Farrow says in the end notes to his book that the accusations against me are taken from the Huffington Post story. I don't see why changing my status is justified just because the press repeats the same accusations and finds Wikipedia's COI policies objectionable (that there is a sanctioned process for paid conflicted editors to propose changes and have them reviewed by independent Wikipedia editors).

Cheers, EdBC1278 (talk)19:02, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I simply don't see the need for the extended edit right on an account which is only used for paid advocacy.Jonathunder (talk)19:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If it's something you want to propose to your fellow admins for all self-declared paid editors, then that's understandable. To be frank, I don't understand the full implications of what you've done yet. Maybe it makes sense. My point is that more than any other paid editor in recent years, my work has already been poured over. So why treat me differently than other paid editors?BC1278 (talk)01:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And I certainly don't engage inWP: Advocacy. Much of my work consists of suggesting to other editors that they correct biased and inaccurate language and POV being flung at the subjects of articles. I often use the official channel just to ask for corrections. Some of the admins who actually looked at the accusations closely at ANI, like Swarm, said my work made Wikipedia more accurate. You're taking this action based on a newsletter column that's based on press accounts written by people who have no experience on Wikipedia. The columnist on Wired takes the position that anyone getting paid is engaging in "paid advocacy." He thinks he's making up a new term -- he doesn't know Wikipedia has its own policy with the same name.BC1278 (talk)02:04, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia actuallydoes not have a policy with that name. And you are certainly engaging in paid advocacy on behalf of your clients as e.g.defined by Jimmy Wales. I think Jonathunder made the right decision here. Regards,HaeB (talk)03:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adding my +1 as an admin in support of removing the extended rights too. Personally, I'm fine with uncontroversial paid editing (rather, proposed edits on the talk page as you do), the controversial editing and back-and-forth about proposed edits is much more problematic.tedder (talk)03:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to weigh in here to note thatBC1278 (talk) has repeatedly mischaracterized the discussions that took place around the propriety of his editing behavior (and he steadfastly refuses to link to the full discussion for that very reason). The consensus seems to be that he's either completely unethical but manages to violate the spirit of Wikipedia guidelines without violating their letter, or that he's blatantly breaking the rules. He has a history of scrubbing his talk page, but has been repeatedly admonished by other editors for his aggressive advocacy in the past.DaRonPayne (talk)02:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the advice from other admins. I have not examined BC1278's history in detail, much less taken a position on any disputes, so I think I remain uninvolved. I simply don't think an account for paid editing, which is mostly confined to talk pages, needs the extended edit right. I don't think what I did should really make much difference.Jonathunder (talk)04:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Jonathunder,

I wanted to let you know that I just taggedCalvin Brown for deletion, because it seems to bepromotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you cancontest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note onmy talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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Kingsif (talk)15:19, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, figured I'd follow up here since I'm going off-topic.

Did you wind up doing the whole Freedom Trail? I took a lot of pics at the Granary Burying Ground, Bunker Hill Monument, and the Skinny House, but just a few elsewhere. I feel like there are a lot of opportunities at Faneuil Hall, etc. if only I had a better lens with me or the light were more cooperative. :) I lived in Boston for a while, but never actually got around to most of the touristy stuff, so it was nice to come back (frigid though it was).

Also just curious if there's a story behind your choice of license? I'm not used to seeing that on new files, so just curious (I'm not someone who's particularly passionate about choice of license FWIW). —Rhododendrites^talk \\17:28, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I walked only part of the trail, as there was so much to see and photograph. I want to visit Boston again and get more. As for why I choose the GFDL, it's because I've found in practice Creative Commons gets treated as Public Domain and with it work all too often gets reused elsewhere without attribution.Jonathunder (talk)22:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After Copp's Hill it's just the USS Constitution and Bunker Hill Monument. Much longer walks to those than the others, so a sensible cut-off point.

What about being GFDL leads people to either not use or actually provide attribution? Or is it by virtue of not being on Commons? I do see all manner of attribution (or non attribution) to my photos. Sometimes if I see that one's being used frequently I'll reverse image search it and find a bunch of low rent blogs, etc. using it without attribution (or e.g. "via Wikipedia"). Meh. It's annoying but I complain only when it's flagrant or a particularly high-profile publication (Huffington Post, etc. should know better). In a couple cases, nontrivial publications have even slapped their own name on it (!). Thankfully they're usually willing to fix their mistakes... —Rhododendrites^talk \\23:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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...and initially bet on snake eyes with Eve, sending his son down to Earth to play rock paper scissors with its primates for awhile was one of his better ideas. Happiest of Christmas and New Year's to you and yours, and a blessed 2020 to follow!Randy Kryn (talk)13:33, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Would it be better for me to back the deletion nomination (which is seemingly lacking) of the current file in question and re-upload it with a free license to remediate the "fair use" issue causing the other user to disruptively edit the article? It is a far higher quality image and without anyone else in frame, far more fitting for the article, in my opinion.☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)08:31, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you get File:Lexi Kaufman Wikipedia.jpg? When you uploaded it, you wrote "This picture was taken at a public event" but you did not saywho took the picture. That's important. Did you get it off the Internet?Jonathunder (talk)11:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No no, it's not off the Internet, the photo itself is mine. However, I am not in it and I felt it would be a better fit than the previous one which has others in the shot, appears grainy, etc☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)23:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you took it yourself with your camera, please say that inthe deletion discussion. It may help to say what kind of camera you used and other circumstances you are willing to share. If you are indeed the photographer, the photo should not be deleted and you deserve thanks for uploading it.Jonathunder (talk)01:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your input. If and when can the picture be restored to the article? Should I refrain from doing so until the deletion request is denied?☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)02:47, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: I re-uploaded the file with a free use license along with more information and restored it to use in the article. I removed my prior comments in the deletion discussion fighting the nomination and stated it now meets the "redundant file" criterion for speedy deletion. If the user who took issue with the fair use license removes it again, I will report them for disruptive editing. Thank you for your earlier assistance!☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)06:09, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your photo. It's better for the article than what was there before and I'm glad what I wrote was helpful.Jonathunder (talk)15:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem and thanks again! :)☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)19:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathunder: Just when I thought it was over...Etacarinaee is again replacing my image with the grainy one, now claiming that my photo is inferior because it's a few months older. I'm concerned that they won't stop because they remove any warnings I put on their talk page. They also added unreferenced controversial biographical info to the article and it appears disruptive editing behavior extends back to at least October. Perhaps they've already been sufficiently warned to be blocked?☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)17:38, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seems silly to revert to an inferior image, but if it happens again, don't edit war yourself; let me know or post on the article talk page.Jonathunder (talk)02:50, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathunder: Will do :)☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)03:08, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathunder: Etacarinaee reverted to that inferior image again. My image has since been moved from the infobox to a lower section after a newer quality image was uploaded, but I thought you should still know the problematic behavior is continuing.[3]☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)00:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since I agree your photo is better for the infobox I put it back there, but please don't leave the other editor messages implying they will be blocked. Instead, if reverted, please discuss on the article's talk page.Jonathunder (talk)15:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathunder: Acknowledged :)☧Catholic Laitinen ☧ (talk)22:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Have a veryhappy adminship anniversary on your special day!

Best wishes,CAPTAIN RAJU^(T)00:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Jonathunder! If you recall, several months ago you offered feedback to my requested updates toHistory at Mayo Clinic. Based on your thoughts and those of another editor, I updated my request. However, no one has yet had a chance to review the proposed improvements. If you are still interested in editing articles about Mayo Clinic, I would really appreciate your feedback. Thanks!Audrey at Mayo Clinic (talk)04:06, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jonathunder, yesterday while you were makingthis photo I was right around the corner at HiFi records to seeSteve McClellan. I remember walking by that building and seeing a wedding party gathered inside about 3pm. They were gone when I came back through a half hour later. Are you taking photos as a member of a WikiProject? -SusanLesch (talk)13:00, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I was snooping around trying to close the Minneapolis RfCs. One down two to go. -SusanLesch (talk)14:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jonathunder. I respectfully disagree with your restoring "mental retardation". Yes, articles are written for nonspecialists, but that doesn't mean excessive weight needs to be placed on outdated terminology. Seeeuphemism treadmill.Mental retardation redirects to the article, and the terminology is explained in much detail in the article. Since this is a medical article, and withWP:BRD in mind, I ask that you revert your edit and discuss on talk page where medical editors can discuss. Thanks.Sundayclose (talk)17:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alternatively, the term could be placed in parentheses: "Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability (and sometimes the outdated term "mental retardation) ..." That would at least let the reader know immediately that the term is rarely used by professionals. But I much prefer that it be removed completely, or at least discussed.Sundayclose (talk)17:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As the article discusses the term in detail, it should be mentioned in the lede and the brief mention there is not undue weight. But by all means go ahead and discuss further on the article talk page.Jonathunder (talk)22:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. Actually, considering that ICD-11 (which does not use the term) won't be released until 2022 I think I'll wait for its release to revisit the issue.Sundayclose (talk)01:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Jonathunder. Your help would help atTalk:Minneapolis#RFC_on_city_history. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk)15:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear User:Jonathunder, I hope this message finds you doing well. I note that you have uploaded many wonderful photographs related to WikiProject Christianity and was wondering if you know of any suitable images of traditional churches during the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. It would be nice to have one or two of them for theImpact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on religion article. I hope this helps and look forward to hearing from you. With regards,Anupam^Talk20:04, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for noticing my photographs and for the barnstar. Here is a photo I took this Sunday morning of a sign on the red door of an Episcopal Church announcing it is temporarily closed due to COVID-19. Perhaps it will be of use.Jonathunder (talk)22:38, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jonathunder, thank you for taking this photograph. I really appreciate it and have added it to the article. Kind regards,Anupam^Talk23:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

		The Christianity Barnstar
		Dear Jonathunder, I award youThe Christianity Barnstar for all your hard work inWikiProject Christianity-related articles, especially the high-quality photographs you have added to various articles such aschalking the door. Keep up the good work! Your efforts are making a difference here! With regards,AnupamTalk20:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC))[reply]

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Jonathunder - thank you for your message and guidance regarding my edits to Louis DeJoy. I am an independant logistics consultant that follows logistics organizations extensively; an industry he was in for many years. That is how I know of Mr. DeJoy. Over the past few days, my Louis DeJoy google alert has exploded my inbox, which is how I learned of Mr. DeJoy's appointment for Postmaster General. When I found his Wikipedia page, I was disappointed that the content appeared to be mostly negative leaning which prompted me to provide edits.

Since the first paragraph only spoke to Mr. DeJoy's major donations to the President and to the Republican Party, which some readers may view as negative, I felt it important to also highlight his philanthropic endevours through his family foundation which I would think is also relevant. Additionally, since there was no photo of Mr. DeJoy, I contacted his office to get the photo which I uploaded. That is the same photo they provided for the Business Journal article you reference and is owned by Mr. DeJoy, not the business journal. They advised me that the same photo was recently provided to the postal service for their use. I can provide a contact in Mr. DeJoy's office if needed to validate.

I am not familiar with the process for requesting that my edits be approved, and would appreciate your guidance or acceptance based on the above.

Thank you,--SMLwriter (talk)02:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi to Jonathunder andVoidxor. I should have left the chat open to come back to Jonathunder after dinner but hey. Let me know if you wanna visit again. I see you've done Minnesota meetups and I've been to Rochester. :) —Smuckola(talk)22:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've been travelling recently, but now that I'm back, I'd be happy to talk further. Please feel free to ask me for help in any way I can. Cheers.Jonathunder (talk)16:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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From theBirthday Committee,CAPTAIN RAJU^(T)06:21, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey,Jonathunder. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of theWikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!Megan☺️Talk to the monster07:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another editor has nominatedMinnesota for afeatured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meetsfeatured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process arehere.SandyGeorgia (Talk)21:43, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! I recently made an edit in the articleLeif Erikson Day, mentioning a reference to the holiday made onSpongeBob SquarePants. You reverted this edit citingWP:POPCULTURE which, on a first thought, made sense to me as well. However, despite its status as a holiday for quite some time, you have to admit thatLeif Erikson Day is virtually unknown to non-Nordic Americans, and completely unknown to non-Americans. This is why I think that the reference made on SpongeBob (which has been on air for two decades and has a gigantic national and international audience), having been mentioned on several media outlets (National Geographic,The Philadelphia Inquirer andAM New York Retro), merits some sort of acknowledgement in this article. Otherwise, what stops us from, say, labeling the section aboutGroundhog Day (film) in the articleGroundhog Day as "silly Hollywood cruft" and removing it? I believe this would near excessive deletionism. Therefore, I invite you to reconsider your opinion. Happy editing.

--Demoxica (talk)16:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I first learned about classical music fromBugs Bunny and his friends, but if I went and added those uses of music in the articles on composers, I'm sure I would be reverted. Yes, I'm sure some children first heard about holidays in cartoons, but do you find mention passing references in a TV show in the articles on any other holidays?

Also, to have a mention in one episode as the only pop culture reference isundue weight.Jonathunder (talk)17:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Precious

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Best wishes,CAPTAIN RAJU^(T)00:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Jonathunder. School started this morning for me. If you can contribute anything atTalk:Minneapolis#Continuing please do. Talk with you later. -SusanLesch (talk)17:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Jonathunder, Is there a chance I can get your assistance in review and ultimately getting an article out of Draft?Workers building the Minnesota State Capitol was flagged and deleted for copyright violations. However, the copy in question came from an articles inMNOpedia and obtained under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license. However, the exact same content (word for word) was also published inMinnPost by the same author Randy Croce. The MNOpedia article was published on June 19, 2019. The MinnPost article was published on June 24, 2019, five days later. However, I could not convince the either the person who flagged it for deletion due to copyright violation nor the person who deleted it a few days later and locked me out of the content.There were some other copyright issues but relatively minor and I have corrected them. I have also added addition content and sources (also obtained under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license in MNOpedia).I need help from someone that will actually do due diligence and look into the issues rather than just hit the delete button because Earwig Copyvio Detector bot returns a high copyright violation rating. If you feel there are issues, I will cheerly correct/work on them.Myotus (talk)23:19, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uffda. Don't use the DRAFT space. Just don't. I'd recommend starting over in a sandbox and then when ready move right into article space. Don't start a draft unless you really enjoy being subjected to silliness.Jonathunder (talk)21:52, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For being the photographer's photographer on Wikipedia, and being the guy who makes the encyclopedia a good place to see the Sun (down a long hallway).Randy Kryn (talk)21:49, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Quill

Back in 2010, you contributed a gorgeous image 3quills.jpg to Wikipedia page "Quill". I'm writing a book ("Hidden in Plain Sight", MIT Press) where I would like to use that image (with your permission) as an example of early capillary fluidic system. May I have your permission to re-print? If I do, I can include a credit line such as "Image courtesy of Wikipedia User Jonathanunder", or whatever suits you. Thanks! Albert Folch, (wikipedia user Albertff), Professor of Bioengineering, University of Washington, Seattle.Albertff (talk)04:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for asking. Sending an an email.Jonathunder (talk)15:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FROM ALBERT again: Did you send the email already? (I have not received anything at albertfolch@gmail.com) Thanks again!Albertff (talk)18:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Jonathunder,I changed the name back from "Olmsted County History Center" to "History Center of Olmsted County" on theList of museums in Minnesota page. The organization goes by "History Center of Olmsted County" and they just did a new logo with it! Is there reason for the other name?Myotus (talk)01:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When I wrote them a check not long ago I was told to make it out to "Olmsted County History Center" but it does appear you are correct. Thanks for the note.Jonathunder (talk)17:00, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you justwant a free license that isn't Creative Commons, why not use theFree Art License ({{FAL}})? GFDL justscares off reusers who actually care about license compliance. —Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me)04:39, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I use the GFDL because I have frequently seen images I uploaded under Creative Commons used outside Wikipedia without attribution because it is widely assumed to be equivalent to public domain. (The essay you linked on some random blog is hardly what I would consider a reliable source to the contrary.) The license you suggest, if anything, appears worse in that I don't see anything about attribution. I'm dismayed to see you pushing for the same policy that caused me to no longer upload to Commons. If you get it adopted here, which I really hope doesn't happen, I won't be sharing new photos on Wikipedia.Jonathunder (talk)16:47, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Notafish: Jonathunder called your blog "some random blog". The blog isn't supposed to disprove that anyone treats Creative Commons as public domain, it is supposed to prove that GFDL scares off reusers who actually want to comply with license terms. On Commons there'sc:Template:Not public domain. The text on{{FAL}} seems short indeed, but that could be changed. As another alternative there's{{Attribution}}. —Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me)17:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, thanks@Alexis Jazz: for the ping. My blog is indeed somewhat of a random blog, but 16 years later, the rationale I had then still holds and was one of the reasons why Wikipedia changed its default license from GFDL to CC-BY-SA en masse. There are aotherwritingson the subject that might be slightly less "random". I do not believe that using the GFDL actually solves your (legitimate) problem of people using content without attribution. If anything, either people won't use your content at all, or when you tell them they "forgot" attribution, they'll opt out and use content that has less constraining requirements. Adding attribution is easy, adding a multi page text isn't. In the end, it's everyone's choice. I choose to license my contributions with a license that both requires recognition (attribution) but also enforces free knowledge (share-alike), CC-BY-SA is easy to use and explain, and does the trick. Your mileage may vary. Best,notafish (talk)19:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just adoptedc:Template:Not public domain for Wikipedia:{{Not public domain}}. I even added support for FAL. I don't want to chase you or your contributions away and I understand your frustration with reusers who don't care about attribution, but there has to be another way than GFDL. —Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me)20:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And err, a bit silly I only just realized this, but you said that FALappears worse in that I don't see anything about attribution. I don't see anything about attribution on{{GFDL}} either? Only the Creative Commons templates include four bullet points, and only on Wikimedia Commons. —Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me)20:57, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was really hoping there would be some room for conversation. I looked at your contributions to make sure you weren't on vacation or having a wikibreak or something, which is not an unusual reason for a delayed response. Couldn't help but notice that a few days ago you uploaded some more GFDL-only licensed photos. You don't want Creative Commons because of the reputation it has, I suggested FAL. You countered that{{FAL}} appeared worse because you didn't "see anything about attribution" despite{{GFDL}} not containing anything about attribution either. I offered{{Not public domain}} and added support for FAL to that because of your concerns about the reputation of Creative Commons.{{Not public domain}} results in a big extensive notice about license compliance, I'd have thought that was exactly what you were looking for. If you're not looking for a warning for re-users (which GFDL doesn't give you either), if you're not looking for a free license without the reputation Creative Commons has, what really is it that you're looking for? —Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me)01:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have been travelling for business reasons and have not had time for Wikipedia conversations, though I did make a few uploads, as you saw. In driving across several states, I have photographed as many historic places as I can, which is a hobby I've long enjoyed. Honestly, though, I don't know if I will keep uploading them here. I've had many of my photos used elsewhere without attribution (though not nearly as much under the GFDL as under CC) and credit for my work is important to me. I do thank you for the template you linked and I may use some version of that.Jonathunder (talk)20:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I hope you will. Unfortunately it is true that if you publish a work at all, regardless of the license and even without a license, it will get used without attribution. Some Dutch TV shows sometimes credit images and video to "Google images" or "YouTube", regardless of license and whether it's free or not. That's national television! It makes me cringe every time. Maybe a small half-transparent watermark in a corner would help? —Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me)20:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1 July has passed and the proposal, waiting for an uninvolved closure, seems like it has passed. It's not clear yet if the cutoff date will be changed due to closure taking so long, but it's probably wise to stop uploading (or switch to another license) until that becomes clear. —Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me)10:52, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was just asked about existing GFDL files and noticed you've uploaded some on August 1. Perhaps you forgot or you assumed a different timezone, but I think you'll have to relicense your most recent uploads. There has to be an acceptable license that isn't GFDL. If you don't like FAL, you could theoretically fork CC BY-SA with a new name. (not something I'd generally recommend, but in theory it's an option) —Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me)20:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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It's not how long you've been editing, it's how long you're willing to live your life under a microscope. So far, so food. Thanks again for supporting my candidacy. If I can be helpful please call on me, especially if you find I've made a mistake.BusterD (talk)04:51, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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