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Hello JohnChrysostom. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion ofVampire Kisses (series), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern:does not qualify under A7. Thank you.Nikkimaria (talk)16:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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AuthorityTam

User:AuthorityTam has resumed editing today and has immediately made a misleading claim about me. I have therefore re-opened the previous unresolved ANI where various proposals were suggested. I am advising you because you were substantially involved in the previous discussion. Please seeWikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Resuming_AuthorityTam_ANI.--Jeffro77 (talk) 6:30 pm, Today (UTC+10)

I've gone ahead and re-proposed everything that I did last time, as this is getting ridiculous. There's an article on here aboutWP:Civil POV pushing somewhere, and it seems that AuthorityTam, in his interactions with you and BlackCab and especially on JW-related articles, straddles the line between it andWP:UNCIVIL altogether; as I pointed out, each edit alone is unworthy of a ban, but taken together, they establish a pattern of behavior. Mark my words, this AN/I will do nothing, the involved parties will cool down for a week or so, and it will be back at AN/I by the middle of next month.St John Chrysostom Δόξατω Θεώ10:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
The criteria for AuthorityTam's expressions of contempt of other editors is based on editors he imagines to be former JWs, which only make up a very small number of editors. Because of that, he seems to imagine that his behaviour is somehow acceptable. (Although I've explicitly told him years ago I never formally identified as a JW, he continues to claim otherwise, most recently at the last ANI). Because there are therefore inherently limited complainants, admins at ANI dismiss the issue.
What other action would you suggest?--Jeffro77 (talk)08:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, I didn't see your message - I've not been much on Wiki recently. I'd propose following John Carter's suggestion, as I believe AN/I will never turn out results in this case as long as current behaviour continues, and seek a hearing at the ArbCom the next time someone would take this to AN/I, but not before then.St John Chrysostom Δόξατω Θεώ07:17, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hello,

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Sincerely,

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Barnstar

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Dear JohnChrysostom, thank you for your kind comments about me recently. I appreciate your efforts in demonstrating to the community the positive things that I've added to Wikipedia and my intention to make this encyclopedia a better place. It means more to me than words can describe. Your friend,AnupamTalk17:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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You feedback would be of value

Hi John!I know you from the RfC/Muhammad Image.Recently I saw you in the WP:Islam members area. Would you like to take a look atTalk:Islam and domestic violence (edit |subject |history |links |watch |logs) page and help improve the corresponding article, I'm having a hard time differentiating between reliable and unreliable source. Brendon ishere13:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

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Extremely Misleading Edit

Not only did youinsert blatantly false information here about something which you referred to as a hoax, but you placed it in between the previous sentence and its source, implying that the sentence was sourced to the citation that followed your insertion. Your false information stayed in the article for more than 10 months until another userdeleted it That was very poor form on your part.24.217.97.248 (talk)02:37, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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Zahiri article

Hey, I noticed your cleanup of the Zahiris article. There is one thing I did revert - the definition ofIjma. While the Shafi'is and Hanbalis view "ijma" as binding consensus of theUlema, Zahiris do not - while both have their view, I think it is more appropriate to include the definition of "ijma" according to the Zahiris on the Zahiri article, while the specific difference in opinions can be discussed on the proper page.MezzoMezzo (talk)11:07, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

No problem - as I was a Shafi'i, I had no idea that 'ijma was ever viewed as non-binding or alterable consensus of ulema.St John Chrysostom Δόξατω Θεώ16:47, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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Request for help

Hi there! I saw your name at the "Available translators" list, and I'd like to ask you whether you could translate the quotation which appears in the "Political views" section of the article calledFelipe Camiroaga. It's in Spanish, and even though I think I could re-translate it, I'd rather leave it to someone with a better command of the languages. Thanks in advance!Diego Grez (talk)00:19, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

{{Tanakh OT}}

Hello! Last time I expanded{{Tanakh OT}} based on{{Books of the Bible}}, I have some issues with your corrections. The term "Deuterocanon" may be specific to the Roman Catholic church, as is "Tanakh" to Judaism. "Apocrypha" (or "Apocrypha/Deuterocanon") and "Hebrew Bible" may be better terms. You listed 2 Esdras as an appendix to Deuterocanon, (presumably referring to the Vulgata), then why not 1 Esdras? I would suggest simply moving both to the Anagignoskomena where both are accepted as canonical. I would also suggest if we separate the Greek and Slavonic Orthodox Anagignoskomena from the Catholic Deuterocanon, we should also include canonical books of the Syriac and Ethiopic Orthodox churches. Syriac Baruch, Ethiopic Baruch, Enoch, Jubilees, Ethiopic Maccabees, since these books are canonical in those Orthodox churches. Labeling them as pseudepigrapha may seem biased. Lastly, referring to the "Anagignoskomena", we should remove the Septuagint reference, because the Anagignoskomena is an addition to the contents of the Deuterocanon, and includes the books of the Deuterocanon, the two are not mutually exclusive. Personally I would just revert to the term "Apocrypha" or perhaps "Apocrypha/deuterocanon/anagignoskomena", which is a more inclusive term. This category should include all contents that are not protocanon, but are canonical in at least one major Christian church. There really isn't that many:Books of the Bible#Intertestamental Books. No need to include pseudepigrapha or antilegomena. Cheers!--Shibo77 (talk)17:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I intended to nest the list in such a way that each additional section was an expansion on the ones above it - not exclusive of it. Maybe this should be made more clear somewhere, that what comes after is inclusive of what comes before; i.e. deuterocanon is inclusive of Old Testament, anagignoskomena is inclusive of deuterocanon and Old Testament. The first part of the template already lists "Tanakh", and I believe this is proper, as, even containing the same books, they are divided differently, and translated differently (i.e. Jews solely from the Hebrew; Christians often with influence from other ancient versions), and the Christian OT always is attached to an NT, whereas the Jewish Tanakh never is: we should not make it redundant with "Books of the Bible" (there was a TfD on this a few months ago, and that's when the Christian OT and Jewish Tanakh got folded in to one template). I'm trying to eliminate cruft/reduce cruft/redundancy and streamline the template by listing only those books considered canonical by a "major tradition" - this is somewhat subjective, but I believe the fourfold division of Judaism (Samaritans and Karaites are virtually non-existent today), Eastern Orthodoxy (i.e. Seven Councils Orthodoxy, that's why Psalms 152-155 aren't there), Catholicism, and Protestantism is appropriate, or, more accurately, the three-fold division of "Hebrew (Tanakh, Protestant OT), Greek additions (anagignoskomena), Latin additions (not really canonical, but it's where the deuterocanon comes from in the Latin Church, through the Greek, as the full Greek LXX was not retained as canonical)".
For those "minor traditions", I believe another template is called for (or a massive rewrite of the current one, with additional nesting for "other/minor Christian traditions", as the Prophets are doubly nested), just to make the current template possible to navigate (i.e. with Syriac and especially the Broad Ethiopic Canon, all lumped in under "apocrypha", one could not tell what traditions used which books, nor could one even begin to navigate the template unless one already knew - templates should be a guide to those who don't know, not a cheat sheet for those who do). In addition, labelling those books used as canonical by the Greek and Latin Churches as "apocrypha/something else" demonstrates a bias, as surely as naming those other traditions as pseudepigraphal (although in my experience, the Syriac Church uses a 66-book Bible today, as does the Coptic Church: I have never been to an Ethiopic Church, but, from what I understand, the Ethiopic Canonis exclusive of a good number of the books in the LXX and Vulgate canons: e.g. 1-3 Meqabyan are used, but the Maccabees are not canonical, which requires a break in the flow of the template and much additional information to be provided at best; one has to stop eventually, or the template will be eventually a Table of Contents to theNew Jerome Commentary orHermeneia); I do not intend to make a statement on canonicity in their own traditions by removing them, but just to make the list more usable, and to not lend undue weight to traditions that are, today, very minor.St John Chrysostom Δόξατω Θεώ01:01, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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The background for this request can be readhere. I am preparing for a future discussion about this information at atWP:RSN, and from past experience with foreign-language sources I know that a qualified translation, not merely a machine Google translation, will be requested by the regular reviewers at that noticeboard.

Do note also that I have made this request with four other Arabic-to-English translators besides yourself as past experience is that most will not respond to this request, at least not in a timely fashion. Therefore, should you wish to offer yourself to this task, you should inform the other four so that they will know to disregard the request on their talk pages. You could also simply inform me that you will do the job and I can do the notifying. In any case, here are links to the four other requests:

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Dear John, I have finished the translation.
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Philip of Castile (archbishop)

Hello. I was onWikipedia:Translators available and notice that you were on the list for Spanish to English translators and wondered if you could be interested in translatinges:Felipe de Castilla toPhilip of Castile (archbishop)? There is a lot of interesting information still left untranslated. Thanks.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk)21:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I've not been on Wikipedia much lately, and pretty much doing no content work at all. I will get on translating this when I have a moment, the next time I'm on Wikipedia. I believe you asked me to translate several articles on kings and assorted other royalty as well - if you could re-post them here, so I can have the list in one location, I'd appreciate it.St John Chrysostom Δόξατω Θεώ22:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia has a long history of collaborating with educational institutions. The Schools and universities program — international and in many languages, but dominated by US institutions — started in 2003 and evolved case by case with little system. However, that changed in 2009 as Wikimedia embarked on its formal strategic process, and outreach in higher education came to be seen in terms of achieving explicit goals — especially that of increasing editor participation.
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The Signpost: 23 July 2012

Does Wikipedia pay? is an ongoing Signpost series seeking to illuminate paid editing, paid advocacy, for-profit Wikipedia consultants, editing public relations professionals, conflict of interest guidelines in practice, and the Wikipedians who work on these issues... by speaking openly with the people involved.
TheSignpost's goal is to provide readers with essential information about the Wikimedia movement and the English Wikipedia – both of which have become large and extremely complex institutions that require timely, balanced and in-depth coverage.
Two weeks ago the Signpost reported that the Russian Wikipedia had just begun a 24-hour blackout in protest at a bill that was before the Russian parliament that proposed mechanisms to block IP addresses and DNS records. The protest, implemented after on-wiki consensus was reached during the preceding days, concerned the potential of the amendment to the information law to allow extra-judicial censorship of the internet in Russia, including the closure of access to the Russian Wikipedia. Among the questions now are how effective the blackout was and where we go from here in terms of internet freedom in one of the world's biggest and most influential countries.
With the 2012 Summer Olympic Games beginning this weekend in London, we decided to catch up with the chaps at WikiProject Olympics. The last time we interviewed WikiProject Olympics was in February 2010 when the project was gearing up for the Winter Olympics in Vancouver. We wanted to know how the project has grown since then and whether preparing for a Summer Olympics was more grueling.
For the second time this year (and the third in the history of the committee), there are no open cases, as all three active cases were closed last week.
There has never been a better time to improve the behavior of marketing professionals on Wikipedia. For the first time we're seeing self-imposed statements of ethics. Professional PR bodies around the globe have supported the Chartered Institute of Public Relations (CIPR) guidance for ethical Wikipedia engagement. Although their tone is different, CREWE and the PRSA have brought more attention to the issues. Awareness among PR professionals is rising. So are the number of paid editing operations sprouting up and the opportunity for dialogue.
One featured article was promoted this week, Melville Island. A small peninsula in the Canadian province of Nova Scotia, it was discovered by Europeans in the 1600s and initially used for storehouses. The land was purchased by the British and used to hold prisoners of war, then to receive escaped slaves from the United States. After being used as a place of quarantine and later a recruitment centre, the land was granted to Canada in 1907 and used to house prisoners of war. It is now home to the clubhouse and marina of the Armdale Yacht Club.
In the first of a series looking at this year's eight ongoing Google Summer of Code projects, theSignpost caught up with developer Harry Burt.

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