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Please do not add this category to members ofProboscidea outside of Elephantidae, such asmastodons. Non elephantid proboscideans are not elephants.Hemiauchenia (talk)22:49, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry @Hemiauchenia, I thought they counted since they clearly look like elephants and belong to a family whose name is Greek for mammoth.

If you can direct me to which proboscideans are appropriate for the category, that would be helpful.Giorgio Bicchiere (talk)22:52, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Any genus and species ofElephantidae (which lists all the relevant genera) is appropriate, but no other articles are appropriate.Hemiauchenia (talk)22:56, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for letting me know.

I also thought mastadons counted, since Deinotheriums are inCategory:Prehistoric elephants.Giorgio Bicchiere (talk)22:57, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Deinotherium definitely doesn't belong there, I've removed it.Hemiauchenia (talk)23:00, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks!

Just so you know I am not trying to purposefully vandalize the category, I putProdeinotherium andChilgatherium because Deinotherium was in there (before you removed it) and I putEurybelodon in there becauseArchaeobelodon was in there (before you removed it).

Apologies for causing any trouble.Giorgio Bicchiere (talk)23:16, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I saw that you added this article in the "see also" section, can I ask how it related? I tried skimming the article but I didn't come across anything which seemed to indicate that rape by proxy was relevant to this (very horrible) case. I am probably missing something.★Trekker (talk)09:08, 9 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The four men that raped and killed both Channon and Christopher were hired to do so by a woman named Vanessa Lynn Coleman, making Vanessa arapist by proxy. Hope that clears things up.Giorgio Bicchiere (talk)10:17, 9 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see, I did not gather that from the article. Maybe I missed it.★Trekker (talk)23:28, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps, it says in the second paragraph at the top part "Vanessa Coleman was convicted of facilitating the crimes and sentenced to 53 years."Giorgio Bicchiere (talk)00:44, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see. To me that seems like it could simply imply that she helped them and her help allowed them to be able to pull of their cime, not that she was the one that hired them to do it.★Trekker (talk)16:39, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if that's the case, feel free to undo my edit @StarTrekker...Giorgio Bicchiere (talk)22:12, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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