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Women's Football / Soccer Update > October 2020

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WP:WOSO News: October 2020


Chelsea striker Bethany England scoring the winning goal in the team's 2-1 win against Arsenal at the 2019–20 FA Women's League Cup, February 29, 2020.
Chelsea strikerBethany England scoring the winning goal in the team's 2-1 win against Arsenal at the2019–20 FA Women's League Cup, February 29, 2020.

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What a year to be alive. As usual (but perhaps even moreso since there have been unexpected quarantines), there has been a lot of activity on player, team, league and tournament-related Wikipedia articles with all of the worldwide coverage of women's football / soccer. Great work!

Fall Focus: FA WSL articles

You may have noticed lots of great things going on for the top English league this year: theFA WSL. More (international!) broadcasts, top international player signings, improved media coverage, and increased viewership. Let's keep the momentum brewing, shall we?

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See alsoWikipedia:WikiProject Football/Women's football task force/Initiatives/FA WSL to collaborate and organize with other editors.

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A heads up I've tagged you in a note atTalk:Dasha Zhukova.

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College soccer seasons

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I rarely see college soccer seasons generally get the level of coverage required by GNG, which outweighs NSEASONS - but, as with all things, there are exceptions.GiantSnowman17:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 SIU Edwardsville Cougars men's soccer team

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I just spent five weeks (yes, 35 days) in the hospital. I was unable to work on2021 SIU Edwardsville Cougars men's soccer team (or anything else) during that time. I went to the page to update and discovered that you had replaced the entire article of nearly 18,700 characters with a redirect , apparently without making any effort to discover why the page was idle.I have been unable to revert your work, so please return the page to its form before you did anything to it.GWFrog (talk)00:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GWFrog:, I'm am saddened to hear of your health issues and I hope you're doing well since then. I'm not sure what you're referring to re: "...without making any effort to discover why the page was idle," as this is an irrelevant point. PerWP:NSEASONS andWP:TOOSOON, I interpret this as unworthy of a stand-alone article at this stage. If you'd like a wider opinion on the matter, I'm more than happy to solicit one so we as a community can come to a consensus.GauchoDude (talk)17:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, but what give you the right to decide that the article is, "unworthy of a stand-alone article at this stage" without any discussion on the issue? Regardless of what your stated references may say, there are established procedures for deleting an article. Please return the article, and, if you believe it should be deleted, follow the procedures by tagging it as proposed for deletion, and let the Wikipedia community decide, rather than acting in an arbitrary, autocratic manner.GWFrog (talk)14:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GWFrog:, you're excused, and the specific guideline isWP:BOLD. As you've now noted an objection, you can find the discussionhere.GauchoDude (talk)20:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ACC MSOC season articles

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Hi GauchoDude, I have reverted your redirects for all the 2021 ACC soccer seasons. The ACC is widely seen as an elite college soccer conference and nearly all the programs, if not all of them are considered the most elite collegiate soccer programs, meeting the following in GNG and NSEASONS:

"For programs considered elite in a sport (for example, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, in men's basketball; Tennessee and UConn in women's basketball; Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, USC in football, etc.) many or all seasons might be notable regardless of the outcome (the amount written by reliable sources on a weekly basis for some of these programs is enough that almost anything or anyone having any relation to them is likely to meet the General Notability Guideline)."

This isespecially true with Clemson, Duke, Louisville, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Virginia, Wake Forest. Beyond that, programs such as Virginia Tech, NC State, Boston College, and Pitt have shown recent success that could manage to pass NSEASONS. Furthermore, these programs have achieved national rankings across all major selectors which would satisfy the elite requirement of NSEASONS.Quidster4040 (talk)

@Quidster4040: While I understand you have quite an interest in collegiate soccer, as do I, I disagree that these articles meetWP:NSEASONS and that we areWP:TOOSOON, hence the redirects. While, in your opinion, the teams listed are "elite in a sport", that is just one bullet point to consider. Prior to sharing those guidelines/examples as you reference above, WP:NSEASONS prefaces with "For college sports teams, weigh both the season itself and the sport..." and while I'm sure both of us would love to see collegiate soccer much more highly regarded, in my opinion it's not there yet – both as it relates to collegiate sports landscape as well as the soccer landscape in totality. How would you like to proceed?GauchoDude (talk)12:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Plante

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Plante himself says in the interview he attended UCSB. Edit to say that there is audio of the entire interview with the text. At around the 2:10 mark, he says he attended UCSB.https://ourtowndc.com/chris-plante-radio-talk-show-host/BillVol (talk)14:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BillVol: Yes, I saw that as the source listed. Upon further exam, I was unable to find any corroborating sources. As such since this is aWP:BLP, I decided to err on the side of caution usingWP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE as guidance. If you'd like to add into his personal article that he claimed he attended UCSB, I feel that's what the source above portrays.GauchoDude (talk)16:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Notables need sources and a connection to a place other than as place of death

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You addedFrank Safandahere as a notable for the article forNutley, New Jersey andRoy E. Moorehere as a notable inRahway, New Jersey. Both were added without sources and both appear to have no connection to the places other than dying in these places, so they have been removed from these articles. Is there any basis for adding them to such articles?Alansohn (talk)15:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You did this again withHarold Newhart andOxford, Ohio. These entries must have sources establishing a connection.Alansohn (talk)00:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I contest the removal of my edits to the Steve Barr (educator) page on the grounds that Steve Barr himself requested said edits.204.69.190.254 (talk)20:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@204.69.190.254: I'm not sure how serious you're being, so I will address in good faith. PerWP:BLPSOURCE, you are lacking a source for your information. As such, it is not fit for inclusion. "When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources."GauchoDude (talk)20:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I noticed you reverted my edit on Santa Teresa High School, and I wanted to clarify something. When I say that "Nowhere is it mentioned that ST is a rival with Leland," I was referencing modern day, as the article is from 2008, at least 15 years old. As a current student at Santa Teresa, there is no mention of Leland being rivals anymore, whether it be in sports games or somewhere else.SassafrassAlabass (talk)02:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing I'd like to mention, on the Leland HS wiki page, ST is not listed as a rival, only Pioneer.SassafrassAlabass (talk)02:30, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,SassafrassAlabass! Thanks for the note. Appreciate your opinion on whether the rivalry is current or not, however perWP:V the information is correct and accurate. Whether that's actually true or not, I have no idea. If you can provide aWP:SOURCE to say something to your belief of "this is a historical rivalry and no longer active", feel free to add that in to the article. Additionally, you can take the source and add the rivalry to the Leland page should you wish.GauchoDude (talk)12:32, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent VA votes

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I got to be frank, your recent votes against removing any sports figures being nominated is extremely GeogSage-coded. Weird thing to say admittedly considering that guy's hate-boner for anything related to sports, but I think it's apt since it's clearly based on your proposal to remove the Scrabble guy being a tie right now. It'll be one thing if voted against a couple of removal proposals, but you voted against all of them, including figures who objectively less vital than him.Bluevestman (talk)20:15, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bluevestman, thanks for your concern. As previously shared, my votes are they way that they are because it means I've not calibrated what this project believes is vital correctly for myself. As such, I must readjust what I believe meets that criteria. This isn't a "hey, we kept a 17th century general and now we're figuring out if this modern, abstract art concept is vital", this is as apples to apples as you can get within Level 5 sport-specific biographies.
As it currently stands, Richards has been deemed vital by the project/community. If Richards is removed at some point, I'll need to course correct again. In my opinion, he's the worst, most non-vital member of the sports biographies vital articles so naturally he's the measuring stick as to whether someone is "vital" or not for that specific niche of the project.GauchoDude (talk)20:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As someone who voted for Richards removal, no he is not the least vital person on the list. We got sportspeople with zero interwikis.Bluevestman (talk)23:04, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now that Richards has enough votes to be removed, are you going to change your votes?Bluevestman (talk)19:01, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

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Hi, if you're wondering why I added those categories to the Morgan J. Freeman and John Pavlovitz articles, it's because they have sources that attribute them to the BlueAnon conspiracy theory movement. Freeman is listed prominently in the BlueAnon article as tweeting an election denial conspiracy theory and Pavlovitz is stated as doing so in this article:https://www.wired.com/story/election-denial-conspiracy-theories-x-left-blueanon/

Thanks for your time in this matter.2604:2D80:D105:A900:504D:331C:D855:8453 (talk)00:53, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2604:2D80:D105:A900:504D:331C:D855:8453: I reverted theMorgan J. Freeman one. PerWP:BLPSOURCE, information added must be supported by an inline citation from a reputable source. Since your edits were just the addition of two categories with no supporting citations, I removed them. If you would like to re-add them, aWP:SOURCE is required.GauchoDude (talk)11:30, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sportspeople votes

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Nigel Richards (Scrabble player) has been removed from the list. With this in mind, could you please change all of your votes that were based on the non-removal of Richards? Thanks,QuicoleJR (talk)14:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Please note, this has been granted as a 6-month trial. See notes atSpecial:PermaLink/1301953187#User:GauchoDude. —xaosfluxTalk15:38, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. And at the conclusion of the window, by which criteria, metrics, or otherwise will the review be based upon?GauchoDude (talk)15:55, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Understood, thanks.GauchoDude (talk)15:06, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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