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Most international readers expect years to meancalendar years. This is especially true when comparing Toyota vehicles between countries. So I've explicitly addedmodel year to the template. This has little detrimental value to N.American readers and helps non N.American readers enormously.Stepho-wrs (talk)23:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are many templates out there which go by model years - look throughCategory:Automotive company - North America timeline templates,Category:General Motors timeline templates (most of them), andCategory:Chrysler LLC timeline templates, for example. For international readers who are unfamiliar with themodel year concept, I'm not quite sure how to introduce it to them, but I don't think putting it on every North American timeline is the best way, especially when it suggests there could be an alternate way of doing the timeline, when really it's the only logical way, since that's always how the cars are marketed. --Vossanova^o<17:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We still have a fundamental problem that international readers are not sure if the template is using calendar years (like most other Toyota templates) or US style model years (like most US templates). Even worse, clued in US readers will not be sure if it is in their native format (model years) or has been internationalised (calendar years). In short, nobody knows which is which. Having the same problme on many other pages does not make it acceptable here. It must be made explicit at least once.Stepho-wrs (talk)22:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt your claim. These templates have been like this for a while, and I have not heard any other complaints. I could just as easily say that all the European templates should say "calendar years" on them because North Americans assume they mean model years by default. If you want, we can take this toWikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles for consensus. --Vossanova^o<14:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, good idea - let's see what the others have to say.Stepho-wrs (talk)22:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Toyota Hilux still is available in North America. Toyota Mexico imported the Hilux from Argentina.Jcmenal (talk)22:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MikeAlex983 and myself have a disagreement. Most Toyota timelines have links to the corresponding generational article/section. This template used to just have links to the summary article (to the top of the complete article). About a month ago the model codes were added to both the links and the visual rendering. Mike doesn't seem to like them and removed them all.

I believe that the links are extremely useful. If somebody is interested in the 2001 Highlander, then which is the better link:Toyota Highlander (which takes you to the top of the entire Highlander article and leaves you to navigate the rest by yourself) orToyota Highlander#XU20 (which takes you to the exact section that you are interested in)?

I also believe that the model codes are useful. The general American population seems to use model years and nothing else to identify a vehicle. However, enthusiasts often think in terms of the model codes because buying parts and doing upgrades tends to work easier when you can group the related model years together. It's also quite common in many other parts of the world to think in terms of model codes rather than model years or calendar years. Which is why most of the other Toyota timeline templates both link and show model codes. Stepho  talk 08:22, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From Mike:Hi, I am Mike, and I have decided to revert everything back to normal and end the edit war, because I felt generations was needed because it helps you know what car you are looking for and I felt that is wrong to fight with other editors because you can get blocked. I will not revert it anymore.

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