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The result of the move request was:moved.DrKiernan (talk)14:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Georgia →Template:Georgia (U.S. state)
• Template:Symbols of Georgia →Template:Symbols of Georgia (country)
• Template:History of Georgia →Template:History of Georgia (country)
• Template:Administrative divisions of Georgia →Template:Administrative divisions of Georgia (country)
• Template:User WP Georgia →Template:User WP Georgia (country)
• Template:User citizen Georgia →Template:User citizen Georgia (country)
• Template:User from Georgia →Template:User from Georgia (country)
• Template:User in Georgia →Template:User in Georgia (country)
• Template:User interest Georgia →Template:User interest Georgia (country)
• Template:Music venues of Georgia →Template:Music venues of Georgia (U.S. state)
• Template:Georgia Sports →Template:Sports in Georgia (U.S. state)
• Template:Lighthouses of Georgia →Template:Lighthouses in Georgia (U.S. state)

– After scouringCategory:Georgia (country) templates andCategory:Georgia (U.S. state) templates, I've listed every Georgia template with a potentially ambiguous name, and I invite you to add more if you see any others with potential for confusion. Having these template names matchingGeorgia (country) andGeorgia (U.S. state) will reduce confusion. We may also want to explore the possibility of making the unqualified names dab pages (cf.WP:REDLINK), although this will require cleanup with existing templates. --BDD (talk)17:51, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Support movingTemplate:Georgia →Template:Georgia (U.S. state),Oppose all of the to country. In general the country gets precedence over the U.S. State, and both of them do not need to have a qualifier. The last three can be moved to U.S. state. In the case of lighthouses, Georgia is on the Black Sea, but does it actually have any lighthouses?Apteva (talk)03:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, when you say the country gets precedence over the state, you mean in your opinion, correct? I think it's pretty clear from their article titles that the topics are given equal precedence editorially. --BDD (talk)04:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It was my impression that if there were two articles, for say music, the in the country one would be at Music in Georgia, the other would be Music in Georgia (U.S. State) instead of having an unnecessary dis page to choose between them. If there was a Lighthouses in Georgia article and no lighthouses in the country Georgia, I would expect it to unambiguously refer to the state, and that could be somehow transparently indicated in the article. For example, the list of article begins "This is a list of all lighthouses in the U.S. state of Georgia". That is as clear as it needs to be. It does not need U.S. in the title, unless there is also a list of lighthouses article for the country Georgia, and if and when that article is created, I would expect it to be at List of lighthouses of Georgia, and the U.S. one to add U.S. state. So it was my impression that this was the general method used - if there is no conflict, just use Georgia, and in the article specify whether it is a country or a U.S. state or a person's name. When someone tries to create an article about the country and there is a conflicting one already about the state, move the state to add (U.S. state). I can see thatGeorgia has been moving around between the country and a dis page. Right now the state has 508 page ratings but the country has 737. The state article has been viewed 488,445 times in the last 90 days, the country 633,855 times, and the dis page Georgia has been viewed 86,889 times. I have no problem withGeorgia either being for the country and a dis page, but do we really need a dis page for all of the subtopics as well? I would rather just give the country the title where there is a conflict. So that is both my opinion, and my impression of what we had been doing.Apteva (talk)16:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Support all clearly too ambiguous, and per precedent on separating the country and US state. --65.92.181.190 (talk)04:37, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Support all. The templates should be more clear and consistent with the prior(no) consensus of the previous, numerous, heavily heated requested move discussions regarding theGeorgia,Georgia (country) andGeorgia (U.S. state) pages.Zzyzx11 (talk)05:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Support all. I'm sympathetic to the suggestion that the country should take "precedence", but the names of these templates don't have to reflect that - changing the names to remove any ambiguity for future editors can only be a good thing.bobrayner (talk)10:54, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Support all. The numerousGeorgia discussions have established there is noWP:PRIMARYTOPIC so disambiguate all.Zarcadia (talk)12:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of arequested move.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in amove review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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