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ALT4: ... that theRepublican makeup look is believed to result from applyingfoundation too dark for the wearer's skin tone and then blending it with the fingers rather than a brush?Source: All the others.
@Launchballer:Well, since theysaid they "don't have time or energy to fix everything" after removing 6-7K or so, it doesn't look like they have any interest in coming back. and, really, what's the point of going to that length to fix a problem and onlyafterwards leaving a tag describing the problem? I sure wouldn't do that sort of thing ... it's like adding a whole bunch of sources to an article largely lacking in them, and onlythen putting{{refimprove}} on the article or section. At the very least leave something on the talk page about some further changes that might be made on the talk page. As it is it's verydrive-by ... why identify a problem if you're not willing to fix it or even say how?
Given my experience reviewing ANEW reports, I am averse to removing such tags when I am the one who did the most work on the article, but here I am hard put to see any other alternative.
@Bremps: I've thought about that ... but I don't think a merged article is eligible for DYK. And what might you call it?Cosmetic aesthetic of MAGA? I don't think you could use "Trump" in the title because it would be about more than him or his administration. I think, honestly, if someonehad created such an article people would just as readily be suggesting it be split up into something like what we have now.Daniel Case (talk)19:09, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The only reason I haven't reviewed this is because I disagree with the entire premise. "Republican makeup" has been a thing since the 2010s. I first saw it in Southern California Republican culture in 2013 or so. Now, I can't speak to why my opinion differs from those in the article, but obviously this article is arguing that the phenomenon only reached peak meme in 2024, and of course that's true, but the reality is that this whole idea is very old.Kimberly Guilfoyle has been sporting the look since maybe 2011? And thinking about that, my guess is that this whole thing originated with how Fox News hosts used makeup, as that would be the simplest explanation that lines up with the facts.Viriditas (talk)01:17, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see that the article body mentions that this phenomenon is due to older styles of makeup use going back to the 1980s, while others have connected it to the beauty pageant aesthetic, one that Trump was particularly drawn to in the past. If the lead could make it clear that this "look" is not new, but rather the commentary on its use by Trump admin-associated woman is what is new (not in those words, but with that meaning), that would be great. In many ways, the look is consistent with conservatism, since it is reaching back to the 1980s and the women who use it refuse to use newer and more updated styles instead, in this example, as a way to kowtow and curry favor with Trump. I think the article is fairly well written, but seeing the absence of the historical context in the lead bothered me.Viriditas (talk)22:32, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you can find more of that historical context that is reliably sourced, please share it. It wasn't for lack of research that I didn't include anything about it beyond what's already there.Daniel Case (talk)05:44, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies if you misunderstood what I wrote:I see that the article body mentions that this phenomenon is due to older styles of makeup use. It's already in the article, but not the lead. A few words would fit perfectly in the third paragraph. Your other sources say quite a bit more. For example, you linked to a source by Sam Escobar which indicates that the makeup is associated with 1) old makeup trends from yesteryear, 2) beauty pageants, and 3) stage performers.[1] Other sources that you use say that the look makes the women look older than their true age, which has got to be the strangest fashion style of all time. Most people wear makeup to look younger, not older. This added info would go well in the third paragraph before "an exaggerated aesthetic of gender performance that evokes drag queens".Viriditas (talk)10:28, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't speak to that directly, nor do I necessarily agree with it, but it is certainly one valid argument among many others. My personal issue with this article is the historical framing which feels completely off to me. This specific makeup trend in conservative circles is old, very old; it did not begin with the Trump admin in 2016 or in 2024, but the meme did emerge recently, which confuses the topic in many different ways. I believe it is a notable cultural topic when seen in that light, but not reduced to only the meme, which is admittedly pejorative as we all know. This is why I believe the historical framework needs to be expanded. I believe that the sources show that this makeup trend comes from conservative culture, some of which has roots in older makeup styles, the use of makeup by Fox News hosts, and some kind of intersectionality on top of that. My earliest memories of seeing this kind of thing is on late night television in the 1980s with people likeTammy Faye Messner becoming famous for the excessive makeup style. Later, in the 2000s, Fox News hosts became known for similar makeup. Quite interestingly, in 2012, people started writing about this style.[2][3] And by 2013, I began to see it more and more in the public. I think the only reason it became a popular meme now in the Trump era is because these people are now center stage and the public is forced to see them on the news whether they like it or not. And this is the Fox News presidency, complete with the religious influence, so the makeup connections from both eras are there. My complaint is that this article does not take a holistic, historical view on the entire cultural phenomenon, but instead focuses on a silly meme that only recently emerged.Viriditas (talk)09:36, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because that was what turned up when I started researching it. What's in there is as holistic and historical a view as I could find searching on "Republican makeup", "right wing makeup", "MAGA makeup" and "conservative girl makeup". I have not seenany connection to Tammy Faye Bakker, and in any event that was seen at the time as specific to her and having no political connotations.
The connection with Tammy Faye Bakker is through Christianity, conservatism and the culture of the Southern United States. This connection appears almost everywhere.Steven Saylor made this connection in 1991, noting that the women enmeshed in the culture of Texas used makeup in the same way as Bakker.The Atlantic article up above suggests that this same culture was also present at Fox News, both in how the men wanted the women to look and how the women used their approach to makeup within this culture. There's really a lot written about this. Bakker was famous for saying that she never took her makeup off and that Jim had never seen her without makeup. While that might sound like just a offhand quip, there's a lot going on here. IIRC, at the time Bakker was active, there were conservative business rules in place in corporations which required women employees to wear makeup in certain situations. I don't recall when those rules were changed, but I remember one of the major airlines required it around 1989 or so. Also keep in mind that the airline industry was notorious for hiring women to entertain and appear attractive to men up until maybe 1970 or so. Makeup was required to be worn by women for the appreciation of men in this instance. Yes, it's become very fashionable for anti-feminists to say "I wear makeup for me, not for other men", but this is a newer development. This might seem like it has nothing to do with anything, but the reality is that it has everything to do with this subject. Men for a very long time required women to act and behave in a certain way, and their ability to go out into public without makeup was a sign of feminism and women's liberation, in some respects. "Republican makeup" follows this long anti-feminist tradition, although it obviously morphed in several ways to accommodateTrumpism and the resurgence of women wearing extreme amounts of makeup in the tradition of conservative culture and its newer manifestations (for example,tradwife culture). I have no objection to a larger article on this subject but as it stands right now, the current article makes it seem like this whole thing is new when it isn't.Viriditas (talk)23:38, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, blame my sources, not me. It is not the first time—and won't be the last—that one of our articles is limited by what its sources say when a knowledgeable reader can see there should be more to it. From what you've written, I think the best thing you could do is gather up sources, write a scholarly article (or even a mainstream article) about how this isn't as new as current coverage makes it seem (as is, indeed, true of so many things that are only new to people who haven't lived long enough yet, which (granted) is sometimes most of us) and get it published in a reliable source so we can cite it and incorporate your research into the article. Otherwise it's just, well,original research.Daniel Case (talk)02:21, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I said in my first reply, some of the material I recommend adding already appears in the sources you used, but you didn't frame it that way. Instead, you assumed that "Republican makeup" refers to "the way women who support or work for Donald Trump apply their cosmetics". That is only one recent use of the term. This subject has been discussed many times before outside that context and both the lead and the article are framed in a way that ignores this overarching topic. Essentially, this is an example of recentism.Journalism, Gender and Power (2019) repeats whatThe Atlantic found above, noting how Fox News emphasizes what they call "Fox glam": "Women in Fox's largely conservative audience are less squeamish than progressive ones about exploiting their looks". This is the larger phenomenon that I've been referring to, and it's been under discussion for at least 15 years in this context, but also greatly predates it other contexts. For example, this came up before with the discussion about the objectification of RepublicanSarah Palin. Heflick & Goldenberg 2011 noted that this subject had been studied in the 1980s and 1990s, with researchers finding "makeup usage leads men and women to rate women as less competent" and "evidence that women's attractiveness and sexualization hurts them when they apply for, or obtain, high status jobs". The researchers discovered that this kind of focus on Palin's appearance (of which makeup was one factor) led to her dehumanization and sense of being unfit for the job of VP. This is not original research. It is part of the "cosmetics dehumanization hypothesis" that Republican makeup trends appear to use. Conservative Christian writer Georgi Boorman was discussing this in 2020.[4]Viriditas (talk)03:09, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Instead, you assumed that 'Republican makeup' refers to 'the way women who support or work for Donald Trump apply their cosmetics'." The only thingyou should be assuming is good faith. That was what I got out of the sources, as I said. Yes, some of them do mention the long-term trends here ... but not to a very great degree, soof course I didn't make that a prominent part of the article. I am happy to incorporate some of the sources you mentioned earlier and account for them in the article. But, you seem to be carrying on with some disappointment that this wasn't the article you were hoping for it to be, so you keep making suggestions and statements that aren't really supportable by any sources we can use that a reader of your commentary would assume you believe must be in the article.
Merge to Mar-a-Lago face: Given the resistance to making this part of a larger topic on the aesthetic, I think it's best to just merge whatever is salvageable here into a subsection ofMar-a-Lago face perthis source. Per Wikipedia: "Mar-a-Lago face is a plastic surgery and fashion trend among American conservative and Republican women to modify their faces with 'detectable' surgery,excessive makeup, fake tans, and 'fake eyelashes, with dark smokey eyes and full lips'". It's obvious that Mar-a-Lago face is the parent topic and at 5283 characters (796 words) is ripe for a merge of this article at 12022 characters (1904 words). Combining the two results in almost the perfect size and topic coverage. I can't imagine any reason for two different articles on the same topic at this time.Viriditas (talk)03:32, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since when do we have this sort of discussion in the DYK template? Shouldn't it be on the talk page? How about I make some of the changes you have suggested above, we get it on the Main Page, andthen we discuss this merge which is obvious only to you. I for my part found very few sources connecting the two phenomena, or subordinating RM to MaLF. Yes, they're related, but just because the MaLF article connects them in a comma-separated list doesnot make a case for writing separate articles ... we let our sources do that, and IMO they haven't. (Also, asI noted at the MaLF talk page, the fact that is described as a plastic surgery trend means that some men, likeMatt Gaetz, have been discussed in that context, making the article's lede erroneous).
Look, I can see you're itching for us to have an article about the broader historical trend of something we could call, say,Antifeminism and appearance. And you are probably not wrong to want that. So it would probably be a better use of your time to research the sources such an article would need, some of which you have already mentioned, anddraft that article.Daniel Case (talk)01:21, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the merge discussion will take this beyondtwo months, there does not appear to be a path forward for the nomination at this time. If the article survives its merge discussion, it can be renominated for DYK if it is brought to GA status.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)14:18, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not fair. That would allow any one editor to effectively filibuster any nomination of choice to death, because merge discussions regularly take a month or more. I'm not saying it's never a good idea based on the circumstances, but just a merge discussion on its own shouldn't be enough to close.theleekycauldron (talk • she/her)15:03, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
+1Thank you. Given that this nomination went utterly unreviewed for most of that two months until Viriditas decided to start this merge discussion, closing it on those grounds at this point would encourage exactly(Redacted) the sort of hypothetical behavior you describe.
I don't think we've established whether we toll for AfDs, because TIMEOUT is still pretty new in the scheme of things; also, i would probably avoid accusing Viriditas of acting in bad faith.theleekycauldron (talk • she/her)18:02, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since this has been stuck for a while and the consensus is to keep this open until the merge discussion finishes, I do want something to be clarified. The merge discussion appears to be about mergingMar-a-Lago face toRepublican makeup; if the merge discussion succeeeds, would that result in this nomination passing or failing?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)07:44, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, if this nomination of an article I put a lot of work into is killed because it's merged into an article we already ran a hook from, can I at least get some sort of compensation on future DYK noms? Like an exemption from QPQ or five? That would be fair.Daniel Case (talk)18:44, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Technically yes, although not because of the merge. As far as I can tell, this hasn't actually had a full review, so the QPQ isn't 'spent'.--Launchballer20:53, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:QPQ states that QPQs can only be used on one nomination regardless of that nomination's outcome, although in practice we do allow them to be reused in cases such as editors withdrawing QPQ donations. I'm not sure if your QPQ will be allowed in another nomination, but my feeling is that it would be safer to find a new review to use.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)21:41, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, first I am not as sure as you seem to be that the merge discussion will end in a merge ... currently there are at least four other opposes besides myself, and even if therewere clear consensus for a merge there is a difference as to which direction any merge would be. The current state of discussion can best be characterized as all over the place.
Second, while I understand when a nomination fails on its own merits (as has happened to mine on a few occasions), in a situation like this where a nomination might fail because someone came in and decided it was a good place to start a discussion about merging it with another article to create a third article, something I had absolutelky no control over, I think my good faith in the process deserves a mulligan. Or at least a serious discussion of a rule that tolls any merge discussion being initiated while a DYK/GA/FA nomination is open, or bars any discussion of a possible merger or split on the DYK nomination page (i.e., first comment seriously raising that possibility is removed to the article talk page where it properly belongs).Daniel Case (talk)05:01, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The review of the main source byEsculenta, the GA reviewer, appears to be sufficiently thorough to establish that the article does not suffer from any close paraphrasing issues; Earwig's Copyvio Detector certainly does not detect any.AirshipJungleman29 nominated the article shortly after it was promoted to GA. Both hooks are a bit problematic for me. The main hook is a bit wordy (classification classifies) and it implies that the Baltimore classification is no longer used alongside standard evolutionary taxonomy, a claim which I do not see in the article. The lack of direct quotes from the sources does not help. ALT1 is problematic because the lead paragraph mentions seven groups, not two; and even if these seven groups form two supergroups, the prominent reference to seven groups would almost certainly raise eyebrows. I also suspect that the most interesting hook could be produced fromBaltimore_classification#Evolutionary_origins_and_relations.Surtsicna (talk)12:29, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with the proposed hooks is not interestingness but accuracy. If I were to propose a hook, it would beALT2 … that of allBaltimore virus groups, only double-stranded DNA (Group I) replication is also used by cellular life?Surtsicna (talk)15:32, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29,Surtsicna,Velayinosu, andTarnishedPath: Reviewing for promotion as I'd like to get a science hook in Prep 2 and this one is past TIMEOUT, but for the life of me I can't find the hook fact in the article. I'm not knowledgeable by any means in this field so I'd appreciate a pointer to where to look to verify this, or perhaps there's a more layman-friendly way to phrase the hook that might also boost interest? (And if another promoter can verify this, happy to step aside for someone else to promote.)Dclemens1971 (talk)18:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: OK, I seeDouble-stranded DNA (dsDNA) viruses, with the same replication-expression strategy as in cellular life forms in thesource article but I don't see where it saysonly this method of replication is also used by cellular life. I'm sure it's there; can you point to it more precisely?Dclemens1971 (talk)19:01, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand now,Dclemens1971. You did find where it says that only double-stranded DNA (Group I) replication is also used by cellular life. Of the seven groups listed, only one is noted to have "the same replication-expression strategy as in cellular life forms". The other six groups are described as having replication strategies much different from that of cellular life, based either on RNA or single-stranded DNA. But now I see that I did not word ALT2 clearly enough, so I propose a slight amendment:ALT3: ... that of allBaltimore virus groups, only double-stranded DNA viruses replicate the same way cellular life forms do?Surtsicna (talk)20:46, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: Ah, much clearer and I see where ALT3 is confirmed in the source. Promoting now and hopefully this back-and-forth clears things up if the queue mover is as unfamiliar with this as I was.Dclemens1971 (talk)20:52, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Replication refers to copying DNA and RNA, but Baltimore classification is about the path to transcribing mRNA (replication and transcription are different things). dsDNA viruses use a variety of DNA replication methods, including some not used by cells, so saying they replicate the same is wrong but also beside the point. The thing that dsDNA viruses have in common with cellular life is the "dsDNA genome -> mRNA" pathway of transmitting information. All other Baltimore groups have a different path to mRNA.
My original suggestion was to replace "replicate" with "produce mRNA", so "... that of allBaltimore virus groups, only double-stranded DNA viruses produce mRNA the same way cellular life forms do?" The hook is more accurate with this wording. I could also try to reword the article itself, but if the hook is a problem, then something else from the article might be usable.Velayinosu (talk)03:22, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For me, the article meets the nomination criteria (technically, 7 days and a few hours from creation to nomination, but close enough). It is well-designed and very well-documented. For an image, I would suggest thisDieckmann erich moebelbau 1931, which has been published very frequently, as it is his book. (Onhttps://imjustcreative.com/erich-dieckmann-metal-tube-chair/2019/12/15, for example) and a new beginningErich Dieckmann designed furniture that grew organically and wasn't cobbled together—from an elephant's body, a bay leaf, a spider's leg, if you will. (from his quote) (talk)Birkho (talk)08:20, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Birkho: I'm confused why you have left a review here. Maybe it is different on dewiki, but on enwiki the DYK process only requires a single reviewer, and it's generally best for the reviewer not to be someone who has been a major contributor to the article. I suggest you strike your review (or at least remove the symbol) to avoid confusion.Pi.1415926535 (talk)23:44, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Hello, yes, it's different here on dewiki. You can make suggestions and participate in the discussion, and the best introduction and image will be chosen. One question: Why does the image have licensing issues, given that it's available on Wikipedia Commons? Can I help?— Precedingunsigned comment added byBirkho (talk •contribs)
Article is new enough (technically 7 days and a few hours from creation to nomination, but close enough) and long enough. It is well-sourced, neutral, copyvio-free, and presentable. A new hook is needed (seeWP:HOOK) – the current hook is improperly formatted, does not appear in the article, and is not verified by the given citation. I am also concerned about the image – the source is a non-functional link with no further details, making it impossible to verify that it was actually anonymously published. Either a correct link that verifies the anonymous publication needs to be found, or the image should be removed from this nomination.Pi.1415926535 (talk)00:52, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ariegel: The revised hook is better, but it appears to be a broad summation of the article rather than a specific fact that is included in the article. The claimed source is not used in the article and does not contain any information other than birth/death dates. Additionally, the copyright issue with the image has not been resolved.Pi.1415926535 (talk)23:44, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Hello again, here a new proposal: another picture by Erich Dieckmann; or one of his stylish chairs, which is my recommendation, the photo is public domain. Both pictures are shown in the link, hope this helps. *Light club chair 1926 Erich Dieckmann
And here is a new hook (this is the heart of the matter): Did you know thatErich Dieckmann, one of the most productive and innovative furniture designers of the Bauhaus is almost forgotten today?Ariegel (talk)15:06, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Hi there. I did not use ChatGPT to write the reply or the article, btw I am an expert for the bauhaus movement and don't need AI for this matter :) I did ask ChatGPT if my formating is right, because I messed it up, and Pi.1415926535 did not respond to my call for help but fortunately another experienced Wikipedian (a human) could help me.
@Launchballer: Hi there. I didn't want to interfere with the nomination and wasn't familiar with your rules, butAriegel asked me for support, since we're both working on this Erich Dieckmann project. You've already read that we take a different approach on dewiki. Now the question: why was Ariegel's post considered vandalism? What do you want to delete, and what happens next? Please clear up any misunderstandings. Which hook and which image will be selected, since this is the issue at hand! I kindly ask for your support, and if I can help, please ping me!Birkho (talk)09:08, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "Wikipedia:Did you know nominations/..." page wasn't vandalism, but was a duplicate (nominations belong at "Template:Did you know nominations/...") and was deleted as housekeeping. I will examine the hooks at a later date.--Launchballer00:33, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm available to try to help out with this nom and eventually do a fresh review if all else is now in order (i.e., issues with ChatGPT, image copyright, etc.). --Cl3phact0 (talk)15:15, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is new enough, long enough, and features appropriate citations. Earwig's shows no copyvio. However, I don't see the fact about the theatre prize in the article.✦ Saltymagnolia ✦14:54, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, intermittent internet, and engineer dropped key*oard which no longer has letter which is *etween a and c in alpha*et. ALT0 fact was later removed from article.
ALT1 ... thatFrank Nimsgern'sMagic Flute won a Musical of the Year award, at The Musical Awards in Germany. (sourse:here.)
Comment Not a review, but where are theindependentWP:SECONDARY sources on this person? The first source was written by Frank Nimsgern. The other materials in the article are predominantly cited toWP:PRIMARY sources such as bios on the theatres and festivals that employ Frank Nimsgern (and likely written by Nimsgern), or operbase which is an industry database (accurate but made primarily for theaters looking to hire creatives). There is also one press release used. The piece written by Drewes I would also consider a press release. It's laughably shallow/low quality. The only secondary source used is the last one which briefly mentions the show in passing in context to the larger awards ceremony. However, the significance of this award (the award was created in 2025 and is not an established/well known award) is tenuous. I'm honestly not sure that this topic is notable. The sourcing doesn't seem to supportWP:GNG orWP:NCREATIVE. I'm not certain this would survive anWP:AFD.4meter4 (talk)17:15, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update 3: None of the sources added by Storye book qualify asWP:SIGCOV. Two have financial cois (vendors selling products by the subject) and one is a user generated platform like IMDb or wikipedia and isn't reliable. See the AFD for aWP:SIRS analysis.4meter4 (talk)19:56, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to review this article for DYK eligibility but will hold off until the result of the relevant AfD discussion comes through. --Reconrabbit21:33, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4:. Please could we give the article's creators time to respond to the above question, before deletion? They have the advantage of being able to search for citations in German, which I cannot do. Of course, if they reply in the negative, I'll have to withdraw this nomination, but it would be reasonable to see their answer first. Thank you.Storye book (talk)08:56, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It’s not in my hands or DYKs at this point. It’s now at AFD which has its own set rules. An admin at AFD will be responsible for closing that discussion in accordance with AFD guidelines/procedures. At a minimum the AFD will be open for a seven day window. If there is a clear consensus to delete or keep at that time it will be closed as delete or keep, but if there is no consensus it might be relisted for another week of discussion. There are alsoWP:ATD outcome potentials if an editor proposes one. Regardless, as the nominator I don’t have input over how or when it is closed. An independent non-involved editor will close it and determineWP:CONSENSUS. Typically we put DYK nominations on hold until an AFD closes. If it’s kept we will pick back up on review, and if it’s not kept we close it as rejected.4meter4 (talk)09:27, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that theDelmass cave features a 14-metre-tall (46 ft) stone façade with multiple levels of windows andarrowslits built into the cliffside?Source: Frangieh 2014 & Baroudi 1998
ALT1: ... that local legends claim “bandit-monks” once lived in theDelmass cave, shoeing their horses backwards to mislead pursuers?Source: Baroudi 1998
Other problems: - Very minor note about the article itself is that I would qualify the statement"It is noted as the only surviving medieval military site in the Jebbet Bsharri region of the Qadisha highlands" since it's an exceptional claim relying on one, older source. Like "according to GERSL report xyz (or however best to describe,..."
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Overall: Article moved to mainspace on 9/23, so new enough. Long enough, EW 10.7%, the similarities look appropriate. I couldn't access Baroudi 1998 to check ALT1-3 but I think ALT0 is the strongest anyways- Frangieh 2014 confirms hook and looks to be a reliable source (An-Nahar). Going to AGF on source I can't access, but I wouldn't choose ALT3 just bc it's a harder claim to prove (as described above). Overall, really nice work- and super interesting site!Zzz plant (talk)18:46, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion of copyright issues copied fromWikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Delmass_cave_(from_Queue_7_to_Prep_3):@Elias Ziade,Zzz plant, andTarnishedPath: There appears to be copyvio in this article. According toan earlier revision,This article was originally published in the Speleological Lebanon Magazine "Bulletin of the Lebanese Association for Speleological Studies - Issue 5 / March 1998", pp. 241-247. I am not sure how much of that source remains in the article given the language barrier, but machine translation ofthis source indicates it may be duplicated in this passage:The Greater Delmass cave is situated at an elevation of 1,200 meters (3,900 ft) on a rocky limestone cliff about 100 meters (330 ft) high known locally as Shir ad-Delmass or ad-Dalmaz. The cave mouth is a large natural triangular northeast-facing cleft about 30 meters (98 ft) high. It opens onto a natural gallery approximately 30 meters (98 ft) in length with chambers and room-like cavities. I've moved the hook to another prep but it may need to be pulled if there is not a good explanation. Revision deletion may also be needed once we determine what material is copied. Much smaller issue: The hook is not themost interesting to me, but it's the best-supported of those proposed, and if that's the only remaining issue I'm not going to quibble with the nominator, reviewer and promoter who thought it was interesting.Dclemens1971 (talk)19:58, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oof, thank you for flagging and kudos for catching it. I will be more careful about searching for copyvio in non-English sources going forward. As for the hook, I personally find it at least somewhat intriguing (mostly because of the height of the wall, which made me wonder how they logistically managed that i.e. with multiple floors/platforms?), but I can see how others might not. Although overall, agree that potential copyvio issues are much more important the hook's interesting-ness.Zzz plant (talk)21:29, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I reworked the flagged paragraph, but I think this needs a more in-depth look + it would be good to hear the author's perspective. As Dclemens1971 identified,this appears highly similar toBaroudi 1988. Made a revdel request for the most clearly similar stuff in older revs, but more may be in order.Zzz plant (talk)03:28, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article was moved to mainspace on 27 September and is 600 words (3,878 characters) in length. It is fully sourced, neutral and free from plagiarism (perEarwig results) QPQ is done. The hook is cited and interesting, although I think there are other facts in the article that could lend themselves to hooks as well. I'm happy to approve this as is, but would suggest one or two alt hooks to choose from.Grnrchst (talk)21:10, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm blanking on hooks because research for this article was a slog, so the only other one I got is
Source:[5] «En la denominación de la compañía [...] el significado intrínseco de la palabra voltio» El “voltio” es la unidad [...]para medir el potencial eléctrico [...]. Translation: «In the name of the company [...] the intrinsicalmeaning of the word voltio» Thevolt is the unit [...] tomeasure the electric potential.
ALT1: ... thatVoltio(cars pictured) has the biggest car fleet in Spain?Source:[6] Voltio se consolida como el servicio de coche compartido líder en Españaal poseer la mayor flota del país. Voltio consolidates itself as the leader of carsharing in Spain as it hasthe biggest fleet in the country.
ALT2: ... thatVoltio's name derives from an expression that translates to "going for a walk"?Source:[7] [El nombre] se complementa con el significado coloquial 'darse un voltio', salir de algún lugar para dar una vuelta. [The name] complements with the coloquial meaning of 'darse un voltio', meaning to go for a walk.
@Earth605: Article is new and long enough, external policy compliant, and is presentable. The hooks are cited to reliable sources and are interesting. Images are freely licensed and a QPQ was carried out.ALT0 is a bit of a borderline case for interestingness; it's common for companies to be named after their industry and some may not find it interesting.ALT1 is a contentious claim; although the policy states that it's okay to have such hooks, it's a bit controversial these days to nominate such a hook, and it's a little promotional for my liking. I will approveALT2, but the source says that the phrase complements the company's name, not that the company was named after that specific phrase (courtesy pingingReverosie, who may be interested in this discussion).Icepinner03:14, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for reviewing! One detail. I did not need to do the QPQ, I just mentioned it cuz why not? AboutALT0, the company is a carsharing company, not an electricity company.ALT1 was meant to be an image hook andALT2 was the normal hook.ALT2 says that the name "derives" from the expression, which is not the same as it comes from it, but I understand your reasoning.IcepinnerEarth605talk15:37, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Earth605: RegardingALT0, I am aware that this is a carsharing company. Reiterating my point, it's common for car companies, and car-sharing companies, to be named after things assoicated with their industry (example: Tesla is named after Nikola Tesla), so I considered it to be a borderline case. However, I am willing to seek out a third opinion forALT0, if you're interested. The source ofALT2 saysA su vez, se complementa con el significado coloquial 'darse un voltio', salir de algún lugar para dar una vuelta, which roughly translates toIt is also complemented by the colloquial meaning of 'taking a little break,' which means going out for a walk, meaning it complements the phrase (makes the company's name "Voltio" look better, for a lack of a better word), not that it originated from that specfic phrase. I'm also willing to seek for a third opinion on this hook as well.Icepinner02:31, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of ALT0, I'm actually okay with it as it (as long as it's made clear that it's referring to the unit volt and not some other usage), but maybe a short clause explaining why would increase hook interest and address the concerns?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)12:14, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It means that a version of ALT0 that explains why the company was named after the volt could work. So instead of "that Voltio is named after the volt", it could be "that car sharing company Voltio is named after the volt because/to [insert reason here]?" It would admittedly make for a longer hook, but it could also solve the context and interest issues.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)10:53, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I wouldn't mind it ifALT0 had a short clause explaning why it was named after the volt. I still thinkALT2 has potential, likeALT2a: "... that aSpanish carsharing company's name is complemented by a phrase for "taking a walk"?". Pretty interesting that a carsharing company's name complements an expression for taking a walk.Icepinner14:40, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you,theleekycauldron, for the notice. I don't have any comments on the subject's notability to warrant its own Wikipedia article, but I note that this nomination is fast approachingWP:DYKTIMEOUT, so this is a matter that needs to be resolved,Earth605 andHighKing. The nomination could be placed on hold if, say, a formal AFD was started.Icepinner05:13, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Look, it is notable. It is the biggest carsharing company in Spain. I pass Voltio cars every day. Also, there are innumerable US carsharing articles.Getaround,Gig Car Share,Uhaul Car Share andZipcar. There are many diverse articles of a lot of countries, but there is 1 carsharing Spanish article. I've changed the writing a bit to emphasize this.@HighKing: this is notableEarth605talk06:55, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Earth605 I spotted this at DYK and rather than take it straight to AfD I though it best to tag the article with a detailed reasoning as to why it was tagged. There hasn't been any engagement with the concerns and it may be that they weren't understood or were too vague so I've provided reasoning and an analysis of sources on your Talk page. None meet the criteria for establishing notability and searching myself, I can't locate anything that meets the criteria but if you can, ping me at your talk page with a link to the article and pointing out which paragraph or part of the article you believe meets the criteria. If we can get a couple of sources, we can remove the tag on the article.
Source:Galbraith, Stuart (2002).The Emperor and the Wolf:The Lives and Films of Akira Kurosawa and Toshiro Mifune. USA: Faber and Faber. p. 473.ISBN0-571-19982-8.
Neither of these hooks meets WP:DYKINTEREST. Obviously government support makes it easier for the company. While one strike being larger/more significant than another is certainly not DYK worthy. (t ·c)buidhe16:54, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New enough and long enough. Article is NPOV, copyvio-free and otherwise presentable. The hooks are problematic, however. Buidhe is right that ALT1 is uninteresting. ALT0 is slightly interesting, but it is not supported by the source, which does not make this claim directly but attributes it to Richard Aboulafia. Thus, the claim needs to be attributed in this article and hook as well. Thank you for doing a QPQ even though not required.Dclemens1971 (talk)19:58, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hook not supported by article. It might be the case that the football saved his life, but it doesn't appear that he knew that at the time and therefore didn't "play soccer to save his life". (t ·c)buidhe18:52, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Rwandan rebelDavid Munyurangabo saved his life by drinking toilet water and playing soccer?
Given that the only source for both tidbits seems to be an interview with the subject, I do not agree that we should be running it on the main page. (t ·c)buidhe21:15, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Rwandan rebelDavid Munyurangabo claimed that he saved his own life by drinking toilet water and playing soccer?
Per DYK rules, "The wording of the article, hook, and source should all agree with each other with respect to who is providing the information". Although not explicitly forbidden, I also don't think it's a great idea to base a hook on what the subject says about himself. Is there any potential for other hooks here that are based more on independent sources than the subject or Rwandan media? giventhe press freedom issues in Rwanda it's doubtful that media can be considered independent of the government, or even a reliable source for anything the government has an interest in. (t ·c)buidhe21:45, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with your assessment of this information.The New Times itselfis indeed state-owned, but the hook is not controversial or propaganda-related; the content in question is also not exactly flattering for Munyurangabo. His role in theInyenzi movement is also mentioned by other sources, so the events' circumstances are not disputed. Hooks of other DYKs are also often sourced to self-claims by people. Yet if the decision is made to not accept the interview as a hook source, I'm going to accept it (my holiday starts tomoroow anyway, so I cannot edit for three weeks). Regarding alternative hooks, nothing particularilyhook-y comes to my mind. Oh well.Applodion (talk)22:04, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While not ideal, considering the circumstances of his life, and how the fact here is theclaimed to drink toilet water rather than him actually doing it (which is another question entirely), it should be acceptable in this case. Yes, it's a somewhat contentious claim, but I do not see why he would lie about it.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)05:16, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not comfortable with asserting that Tilly Norwoodexists, actually. I'm also not comfortable with the article using gendered pronouns for the Tilly construct.DS (talk)19:48, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your discomfort comes without justification and is inconsistent with you using the term "Tilly construct" for a subject you claim doesn't exist. If you're right then what are you talking about? This sentence exists, pictures exist, stories exist, your prejudice exists and line blurring metafictions like Tilly exist.2A02:C7E:205B:3D00:ADF7:E53:C019:2ACB (talk)09:30, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SAG-AFTRA's criticism of the character seems more significant than unnamed "multiple Hollywood actresses". Listing the names of notable actresses could also make it a better hook.FallingGravity01:58, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SAG-AFTRA isn't likely to mean anything to anyone unfamiliar with the industry. Naming the actresses might add interest, but I'm disinclined to go there given what happened atMichelle Pfeiffer (Ethel Cain song). As for the gendered pronouns, I've said my piece at the talk page, in as much that (in my opinion) avoiding their use would be silly.--Launchballer04:56, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We could runALT2: ... that the talk page for Wikipedia's article aboutTilly Norwood(pictured) has been described as "a fascinating window into the semantic debates that our society is facing more broadly" as a result of AI? on 15 January, Wikipedia's 25th. (I'm guessing I can't nominate a talk page and run it as a double nom?)--Launchballer14:42, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(seeing this DYK on the article TP). I do think thatALT1 is very good - this whole area is scary, but that is the point and that hook captures it perfectly.Aszx5000 (talk)11:23, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I strongly object to this item appearing on DYKat all. Documenting the existence of "TillyNorwood.exe", sure. Taking any further steps to promote it in the public consciousness and thereby boost its commercial viability — and don't bullshit yourself, that's exactly what this would be doing — no. Same reason we don't have DYKs on political candidates when they're running for office.DS (talk)15:12, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah,WP:DYKNOT dictates that we must not provide inappropriate advantage for commercial/political causes. It also says "it is fine to cover topics of commercial or politicalinterest". Norwood is not a cause.-Launchballer07:52, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you're convinced that you absolutely must slobber in adulation all over Xicoia/Particle6, fine.ALT1b: that the creation ofTilly Norwood(pictured) has been described as "really, really scary"?
New enough, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Hooks check out. I prefer ALT1 or ALT2. As to ALT1, I don't share the same concern about attributing the quotation to "a Hollywood actress" although, if others share that concern, it could be changed to "Hollywood actressEmily Blunt". As to ALT2, I wondered at first ifFast Company is a reliable source, but it seems to check out. I do have a slight remaining reservation as to whether it it too on the nose, however—the article directly references this very DYK discussion, after all, quoting several ofDragonflySixtyseven's statements above. (If it does run, however, I don't see it running as a double nom asLaunchballer contemplated, but the talk page could at least be linked.)
... that South African former political prisoner and reggae musicianJames Mange formed asoccer-themed political party to compete in the country'sfirst democratic election?
New enough. Long enough. Well written. Reliable citations throughout. Copyright violation unlikely (6.5%) per Earwig. QPQ done. The hook is cited, short enough, and interesting. GTG.Hybernator (talk)02:08, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Iostn: so if you have a source you won't have an issue adding a sentence about it into the body and adding the citation at the end of the sentence? This is a requirement perWP:DYKCRIT which states "The hook fact should be cited in the article, no later than the end of the sentence it appears in."TarnishedPathtalk23:25, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I had to fix this as I accidentally used a different URL from the same site that is also used as a source in the article but "political prisoner" ishereIostn (talk)02:14, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the sourcing, I don't see any mentions atWP:SCHOLARSHIP that says that Bachelor theses are unreliable. I admit that there were too many positive quotes, but as of my comment, I think that these concerns have been dealt with. If on its own the hook does not provide enough context, it could be added that she was also for 28 years, the last Ecuadorian tennis player to qualify for the Olympics (e.g. "...that María Cabrera was the first Ecuadorian table tennis player to participate in the Olympics and became the last to do so until 28 years later?"), since that's pretty much what she's most famous for.Aviationwikiflight (talk)17:59, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anything else that needs to be fixed? As far as I can tell, the neutrality concerns have been dealt with, I have responded to the comments on the sourcing, and I've proposed another hook above in case the original one wasn't interesting enough which I'll add again below: ALT1: "... thatMaría Cabrera was the first Ecuadorian table tennis player to participate in the Olympics and became the last to do so until 29 years later?" Sources:
"OLYMPIC GAMES REVIEW".Swaythling Club International Magazine. No. 118. October 2024. p. 10. Retrieved15 November 2025 – viaIssuu.The only previous Ecuadorian to participate in the table tennis events at an Olympic Games is Maria Cabrera, she competed in the women's singles in 1992 in Barcelona.
Smith, Nicole (17 August 2021)."FETM LANZA CAMISETAS CONMEMORATIVAS POR HISTÓRICA CLASIFICACIÓN OLÍMPICA" [FETM LAUNCHES COMMEMORATIVE T-SHIRTS FOR HISTORIC OLYMPIC QUALIFICATION].Ecuadorian Table Tennis Federation (in Spanish). Retrieved15 November 2025.For Barcelona '92, Patricia Cabrera, also from Guayaquil, achieved the feat for the first time, a feat that would be repeated by [Alberto] Miño 29 years later.
@Bogazicili: If you have time it would be great if you or any other native speaker could expandtr:Vikipedi:Güvenilir kaynaklar/Mütemadi kaynaklar - I can't speak for the nominator but sometimes it is hard for me to judge the quality of a foreign language source. Having said that I should be able to fix a few of the English language cites - for example I don't know Agenzia Nova but hopefully would be able to find a source I know to be reliable for the minister's statement. Are there claims in the article you find particularly important which are poorly cited?Chidgk1 (talk)12:38, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...thatTzuyang has a stomach size 40% larger than others of her size, helping her to stay slender despite binge eating constantly?Source: "Doctors have revealed that her stomach is 40 per cent larger than the average size for someone of her stature, and even exceeds that of many adult men."SCMP
ALT1 ... thatTzuyang started streaming herself binge-eating online to finance her large appetite?Source: "쯔양은 지난해 한 방송에 출연해 "대학 시절 자취를 하면서 생활비가 부족할 정도로 식비가 나가다 보니까 주변에서 먹방을 해보라고 추천했고 사실 하루 만원만 벌면 좋겠다는 마음으로 시작했다". (Google translation: Tzuyang appeared on a broadcast last year and said, "When I was living alone in college, I had to spend so much money on food that I didn’t even have enough money to live on, so people around me recommended that I try mukbang. I actually started it with the thought that it would be nice to earn just 10,000 won a day,")"Maeil
ALT2 ... thatTzuyang turned tomukbang after struggling to pay for her daily expenses while living alone as a college student?(same source as ALT1)
Reviewed:
Created byRobertsky (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT0 seems medically dubious and doesn't make sense. Having a large stomach would make it possible to eat more at once, but how is it related to calorie expenditure? (t ·c)buidhe19:10, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not only that but it seems like ALT1 may fail verification based on the quote provided, since it says she needed money for living expenses. (t ·c)buidhe22:27, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Length, history and reference verified.But ... there are several places where the article is missing citations, and those are needed. I have tagged them and put a banner on the article.Daniel Case (talk)06:44, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I already provided the corresponding sources to the tagged statements. Let me know if there are any specific lines you believe still require verification. Thanks. --Jojit (talk)11:10, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source:The Television [ja] (link): （『エヴァンゲリオン』の中で）ミサトさんがシンジ君を見守るように、すず子には雀さんを見守っていてほしいですし、私の幼少期から人生にかけて、ずっとそばにいた『セーラームーン』のように、すず子には雀さんのそばにいてほしいなという思いからお願いしました。[Just as Misato (fromEvangelion) watches over Shinji, I wanted Suzuko to watch over Suzume, and just like howSailor Moon was always by my side in my childhood, I wanted Suzuko to be by Suzume's side, so I asked [Kotono Mitsuishi].]
Source:Animate (link): （「最初は、外国人風の淫魔おじさんが地球に降ってくる」という設定のSFストーリーの企画が練られており、本作とは全く異なる物語を構想していたと語るマミタ先生。「サキュバスのおっさんだから、“おじキュバス”という新しいジャンルを作ろうとしていたんですけど……」という先生の発言に、客席から「ふふっ」と笑い声が漏れる一幕も。[Mamita said that they had planned to create a sci-fi story that, "at first, was going to be about a Western-looking older man who descends to Earth", and the story they had envisioned was completely different. When they confessed, "I wanted to create a new genre called old-man-ccubus, because it was about an older man succubus", the audience burst out in laughter.]
Since the only previous object was to the original hook, new reviewer needed to do a full review of the nomination, including the proposed ALT1 hook. Thanks.BlueMoonset (talk)07:06, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam
Yes, I probably could, especially if I ask TheUzbek (editor who got this to GA) to help. Otherwise, I could also do it alone. The vietnamese article covers it fairly well and is not too long.User:Easternsaharareview andthis03:12, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He was also the general secretary of the 12th CC so I think it does make sense to have this as a hook, and I think that it's indubitably the most interesting thing on this article. Also, I think the news article is quite clearly talking about the 12th CC because it was published in 2020, when the 12th CC was still in session and the article does not mention the 11th anywhere else.User:Easternsaharareview this02:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that one study suggests that thebuddy breathing technique needs to be practised twenty times to be reasonably successful?Source:Egstrom, Glen H (1992)."Emergency air sharing"(PDF).South Pacific Underwater Medicine Society Journal.22 (4). Retrieved2013-12-18.
@Pbsouthwood,AirshipJungleman29, andIt is a wonderful world: Article recently brought to GA and in overall good shape. QPQ is good; used on three other noms, but it has four boldlinks. Hooks are interesting and cited appropriately and inline. However, Earwig flags a few sentences:a diver could respond to running out of air at depth,in which the incompetence of one diver can, andsubmersible pressure gauges made reliable air supply monitoring possible and running out of air became less common are all flagged as being exact copies or almost word-for-word. This needs to be resolved, and should be looked into further to see if there are more plagiarism issues. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs03:47, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have rewritten the listed statements and they no longer show up on Earwig. I don't see anything else flagged that appears problematic, but let me know if you find anything else. · · ·Peter Southwood(talk):07:51, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Compare the examples below. The ideas are repeated virtually in identical order, even if some of the words have been changed (and a few text strings are repeated verbatim).Dclemens1971 (talk)06:06, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source passage 1:This technique has been used since the earliest days of recreational diving, and along with the emergency ascent (originally termed the “blow and go”), it became one of the two ways a diver could respond to running out of air at depth. Back when recreational diving began, all regulators were of a double hose configuration... One advantage of this design was that it made it easy for two divers in a face-to-face position to share the regulator mouthpiece. Article:The procedure has been used since the beginnings of recreational diving, and along with the free ascent, it was one of the standard responses a diver could use if they ran out of air underwater. At that time twin-hose regulators were the norm, and it was reasonably easy for two divers to share the regulator mouthpiece while facing each other.
Source passage 2:Buddy breathing was a particularly important skill in the early days of diving because running out of air was a common occurrence (so common it wasn’t even considered an “emergency”). Lacking reserve valves or submersible pressure gauges, divers had little idea how much air was actually in their tanks while they were underwater. But by the mid-1960s, with the introduction of submersible pressure gauges, continual and accurate sir supply monitoring was possible. And running out of air became much less common.Article:Buddy breathing was an important skill before reserve valves and submersible pressure gauges were generally available, and running out of air was so common that it was not considered an emergency. By the mid-1960s the commercial availability of submersible pressure gauges made it possible to reliably monitor the remaining air supply, and it became less common to run out of air during a dive.
Source passage 3:By the late 1960s... single-hose regulators made buddy breathing a more complicated technique. Article:In the late 1960s single-hose regulators started to take over as the standard, and this complicated the buddy breathing procedure.
They are simple concepts and those are logical orders to describe them, but if you can describe them in different orders, this is Wikipedia, and you are free and welcome to do so as long as the meaning is accurately preserved. Please note that the text strings that are repeated verbatim generally tend to be standard terminology, and in some cases lose or change their meaning if not repeated verbatim. For example, asubmersible pressure gauge is a specific type of thing. Cheers, · · ·Peter Southwood(talk):11:55, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These examples are similar to previous instances of paraphrasing that have resulted in nominations not getting promoted or queued (or getting pulled at a later review point), which is why I didn't feel comfortable promoting any of these hooks when I reviewed it. Perhaps revising these passages to less closely paraphrase the source would help. That said, I'm not pulling the tick, and if another promoter wants to move this forward, they can at their discretion.Dclemens1971 (talk)14:29, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"The popular view is that the modern civil rights movement began with Rosa Parks’ refusal to give up her bus seat. […] however, digging deeper into the origin of the civil rights movement and helping to inspire Parks’ actions, we find that there was in fact a hidden “grandmother” to the movement, another courageous woman, Mildred McAdory."
Formalities aside, the hook is both interesting and bold at the same time. However, based on the quote given I found some lapse in the article's mentioned inferrence. The quote stated that McAdory's actionhelping to inspire Parks’ actions, meaning that it was not the sole inspiration. Adding to the dubiousness is the fact that the statement is written in first person. I also have quite some concerns about the fact presented in the statement since it doesn't even appear on any other sources. Thank you. Regards,Jeromi Mikhael09:45, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Guerreroast andJeromi Mikhael: Evaluating for promotion, and the approved hook does not square with the article text:The four were ordered to exit the bus and enter the police car, which McAdory refused. Police threatened to beat her when she asked what she was being charged with. Instead of arresting her, police took another man – a standee – and left. Afterward, she and another black man willingly exited the bus, with her threatening to the bus driver to report them to the bus company. The bus driver encouraged her, then kicked her in the back as she was exiting and yelled to police to arrest her also. It reads as if she was not arrested until after she willingly left the bus, so the sequence in the hook is not quite right.Dclemens1971 (talk)16:42, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi@Theleekycauldron: they are both right and this is what makes them so interesting – the wording is carefully drafted to ensure accuracy. As the Walls article says, theywere celebrated in antiquity as one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. It is the "in antiquity" that is the important language – as the seven wonders article shows (see the list of known lists, which follows Roscher), they were the joint-second most frequently cited Wonder. The "canonical" seven is a list invented accidentally in early modern times, following theOcto Mundi Miracula. Even the Octo actually intended the "Babylonis Muri" (Babylonian Walls) to be part of the list, but later interpretations ignored its label and focused on the image of the hanging gardens. Long story short, this is what makes it is great did you know.Onceinawhile (talk)07:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Onceinawhile: Ah. In that case, would you be willing to go with:
@Onceinawhile andMaximilian775: One more question: the quotes in the footnotes are incredibly long, and do not appear to be from freely-licensed sources (correct me if I'm wrong, please), making them copyright violations. Could these be whittled down to a few sentences each?(pleasemention me on reply)—TechnoSquirrel69(sigh)06:32, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can’t recall the source of those numbers, but they came from a wikipedian experienced in copyright matters and they tie to what can be found widely online. For example,Faber & Faber state: "up to 250 words of prose, or multiple extracts up to 800 words"[9] Or a college library here: "a quote of 250 words from a 300-word poem might be less fair than a quote of 250 words from a many-thousand-word article."[10] SeeUser talk:Onceinawhile/Archive 3#Quotations in footnotes for some of the discussions on this I can recall.Onceinawhile (talk)08:52, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jeromi Mikhael, I haven't looked at the article yet, but I'm wondering--why should it matter to the front page reader that this diplomat was the only Indonesian at a wedding of someone who for most people is relatively unknown? Adding "India's wedding of the year" might add some importance to the wedding, but it doesn't really do much for the diplomat. And now that I've read the article--I gotta say that some of the sourcing (notes 2 and 3 in the current version, which includes the source for the wedding) is really a bit too much of the "watch this wonderful celebrity" kind.Drmies (talk)21:56, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Drmies: Hi thanks for your concern. To start with your first question, I think the fact that the wedding itself has its own article warrants some importance, at least based on Wikipedia's notability threshold. I do understand your concern regarding the notability, but the wedding itself is frequently listed in the "book of superlatives" (books of the most..., record book, etc) due to its cost. Also, I do understand your concern regarding the sourcing, but so far I don't see any problem with the source since it's a verified and registered news outlet here in Indonesia. If you have any other concerns other than the "stereotype" of the news outlet I'd be happy to address and discuss that with you. Lastly, I could offer an ALT hook, but I do understand that it'll undergo scrutiny from the community even further since it is a "first" hook:
ALT1 : ...that whenIrene was appointed Indonesia's deputy ambassador to China, she became the first person in that role to be installed directly by the president? Source #10 in the article (at its current version)
This one might be less scrutinized but I'm not too optimistic about its possibility.
ALT2 : ...that Indonesia's deputy ambassador to ChinaIrene was also a member of a socialite association called the "Girls Squad" alongside Indonesian celebrities? Source #3 in the article (at its current version)
Instead of present hook options, I would suggest a hook around"...that, in Faunaland, Irene incorporated a cultural references to Papua, by including a wooden bridge carved by the Asmat tribe,..."
But, though I do not understand Indonesian language of the source, Whether "Irene" is the singular "designer" of the Faunaland? Because earlier paragraph seem to indicate Faunaland seem to exist even before she became commissioner there. Is it possible to cite Exact sentence (along with translation) in the source article which states that she is designer of the Faunaland. That may help other editors to help you in more nuanced articulation of the mention in the article. Happy editing. Bookku (talk)06:23, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New enough (created as a draft six days ago; moved two days afterward), long enough (1,600+ words at this writing), and verifiable enough (Inquirer.net is the official site of thePhilippine Daily Inquirer, a national newspaper of record). The two versions of the blurb above are the same (with a couple of contextual differences); leaving it up to the DYK coords to determine which is better.
Earwig reports an 87.6% match from theInquirer source, but the text in question (Roxas' request for clemency) is blockquoted. I may upgrade my rating to{{DYKyes}} once someone else at DYK clears things up.
As a reminder, this is my first QPQ since the start of my self-exile from WP last year, so bear with me here in case I'm not up to par.
I'm having a look since this is a bromance we shouldn't miss out on.PritongKandule, first of all, I suggest you take the first hook and add something--I mean, who are these people? So, "DYK that Japanese officer Jimbo saved future Philippine president Roxas..." or something like that. Second, I'm looking at the article and I'm not totally happy with the short paragraphs/newspaper style of the main text. I think a bit of reordering would be good, but moreover, Roxas just gets dumped in there, in the WWII section, "Manuel Roxas (who had just escaped from Corregidor)"--that needs a note on who Roxas was at the time, etc. That's not a simple copy edit; I can't do that for you. Things that need copyediting are phrases like "instead of resentment" (does not match the grammar of the main clause), "...decision unwilling", "by those that issued"... The executed chief justice and consul general also fall into the narrative out of nowhere: are they important? The long quote, the entire letter--personally I think that's too long, and I would use only a few phrases from it, enough to get the "personal" point across. Let me know what you think.Drmies (talk)22:06, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jones said that throughout his long career, Saru was the first role he was ever offered as first choice with no audition.[2] "I have waited, all my life, for the moment to happen, where a big role in a big series was just being offered to me, based on reputation alone, and it was humbling," he said.[2]
A year before the first season of Star Trek: Discovery aired, in November 2016, actor Doug Jones was cast as Saru, an alien known as a Kelpien, a newly created species for the Star Trek universe.[1] Bryan Fuller offered Doug Jones the role of Saru, telling Jones "he was the one the show needed," which made the veteran creature actor feel his career was "back on."[2] Prior to being offered the role of Saru, Jones considered moving away from and winding down his signature prosthetics acting work after decades in the make-up chair.[2]
Improved to Good Article status byVery Polite Person (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.
@Very Polite Person: Article new enough (GA Oct 9), long enough (14 KB), no copyvio. However, I see one issue with sourcing:CinemaBlend is considered an unreliable source. I also can't find any discussions about some Star Trek-specific sources (such asTrekCore), but it appears that the GA reviewer is familiar enough with Star Trek, so I will trust that these sources are reliable. As for the hook itself, it is interesting and verified in the source. However, as mentioned above, the image is not acceptable. The hook should also avoid the word "iconic".— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk |contribs)23:23, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin:CinemaBlend isn’t unreliable. You are referring to a RS noticeboard quip made in 2010. A follow-up in 2015 found no problem. Current version has an editor, is written by an actual credentialed journalist, and features an interview with the subject. The site isn’t listed as unreliable as far as I am aware.Viriditas (talk)18:30, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"It was like, 'Oh, I'm getting a call, and no audition is required?'" [Jones] said. The showrunner at the time was Bryan Fuller, who reportedly offered the role to Jones and said that he was the one the show needed.
Part of the issue here is that the source doesn't say the fact in its own voice, it hedges with "reportedly" and quotes Jones. The other thing is that while the source implies that Jones was the first choice fairly strongly, it doesn't actuallysay it; it's plausible that Fuller had at least put out feelers for someone else, barring another source saying this more strongly.theleekycauldron (talk • she/her)03:18, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:Reviewed by me; nominated for DYK just hours within the 7 day/168 hour window. I requestedMRSC, the GA nom, to provide a quote as the source is paywalled.
Improved to Good Article status byMRSC (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.
Here's a quote from the source "Carlton took up the artistic director post in 1997, during a time of financial difficulty for the venue. As well as being credited with saving it from closure, he was behind the theatre’s readmission into Arts Council England’s national portfolio."MRSC (talk)17:10, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The DYK text should probably say "survived withoutarts council funding" as the local authority (who own the theatre) were still providing funding.MRSC (talk)11:06, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok. I have edited the hook. I didn't think the theatre still had some funding other than from consumers, just not arts council. I also think that 'between 1985 and 2000' sounds better than 'from 1985 to 2000'.JuniperChill (talk)11:36, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the German "management guru"Reinhard Höhn who from 1956 trained thousands of West German civil servants and CEOs had been a committed Nazi and SS officer?
Source: Johann Chapoutot, Free to Obey How the Nazis Invented Modern Management
Reviewed:
Created byScarp-bolt (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article created 2 days before nom. Sufficient length. Solid secondary sources. No significant neutrality issues.
Unfortunately, I cannot complete verifiability/copyvio spot-checks because the citations include no page numbers. For example, citation 4 is a 120-page book cited multiple times, but no page numbers are displayed.
Same applies to the hook: no page number = no way for me to verify.
Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 382: "The spoils from the war were carried along in massive heaps. Of these, those taken from the Temple in Jerusalem were most conspicuous. There was a golden table weighing many talents and also a golden lampstand (menorah), with its seven branches." p. 393: "The panel on the southern side of the Arch of Titus in Rome showing Roman soldiers carrying the spoils from the Jerusalem Temple."
ALT1: ... that the Roman army thatbesieged Jerusalem during theFirst Jewish–Roman war was larger than the force used in theRoman invasion of Britain in 41 CE?Source: "Last Year in Jerusalem: Monuments of the Jewish War in Rome" (2005). In Edmondson, Jonathan; Mason, Steve; Rives, James (eds.). Flavius Josephus and Flavian Rome. Vol. 3. Oxford University Press. pp. 101–128. doi:10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199262120.003.0006. ISBN 978-0-199-26212-0. p. 101: "To put these figures in perspective, the forces committed to the siege were significantly larger than those which had been deployed for the invasion of Britain in 43"
ALT2: ... that thetriumphal procession celebrated byVespasian andTitus after theirconquest of Jerusalem during theFirst Jewish–Roman War is the most fully documented triumph of theImperial period?Source: "Last Year in Jerusalem: Monuments of the Jewish War in Rome" (2005). In Edmondson, Jonathan; Mason, Steve; Rives, James (eds.). Flavius Josephus and Flavian Rome. Vol. 3. Oxford University Press. pp. 101–128. doi:10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199262120.003.0006. ISBN 978-0-199-26212-0. p. 101: "Readers of Josephus' Jewish War will be familiar with the magnificent description in Book 7 of the triumph which Vespasian and Titus celebrated in Rome in 71 CE, a year after the capture of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple. Not all readers, however, will realize that this is the fullest description which survives of any triumph held in the Imperial period."
ALT3: ... that during thesiege of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the future Roman emperorTitus led a reconnaissance mission that almost turned deadly when he narrowly escaped a Jewish ambush?Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 305: "After Titus’s peace offer was left unanswered he took a reconnaissance team of 600 handpicked cavalrymen along the road ... The Jews broke through the cavalry still advancing along the high road and cut Titus and his companions off from the main scouting force ... Wearing neither a helmet nor a breastplate, Titus was fortunate to make it safely, using his sword to protect himself, as a multitude of arrows whistled by. Two of the cavalrymen who rode with him were not so lucky."
ALT4: .. that during thesiege of Jerusalem in theFirst Jewish Revolt, the Romans crucified prisoners in various positions to intimidate the defenders into surrender?Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 327: "Those who were caught and resisted were beaten, tortured, and crucified by the Romans in front of the walls of the city. Five hundred or more perished daily by such executions. Josephus tells us that Titus hoped that the spectacle of these crucifixions might persuade those still within the city to surrender. The soldiers, meanwhile, amused themselves by nailing their victims to crosses in different positions. There were so many victims that the Romans ran out of space to put up the crosses and even crosses to nail prisoners to."
Long enough and recently improved to GA. It's a long article, but as far as I can see it's fully cited: there are a few ancient texts used, but as far as I can tell they're all supported by a reliable secondary source, soWP:PRIMARY does not cause us a problem. QPQ has been started and seems earnest enough to count, even though it's not concluded yet.The hooks are all cited but some are a bit long or otherwise might fall foul ofWP:DYKINT. I thinkALT3 is good to go as is (though perhaps amend "future emperor" for "Roman commander"), andALT4 could be shortened to... that during thesiege of Jerusalem in theFirst Jewish Revolt, the Romans crucified prisoners in various positions to intimidate the defenders into surrender?ALT0 is a little meandering and may not be particularly interesting;ALT1 might pass the bar but requires a bit of contextual knowledge (how many readers will know how big the army that invaded Britain was, or how far apart these events were?); even as a classicist I struggle to get excited aboutALT2.There are a few issues with the media that should have been picked up at GA review:
I cannot find a citation to a reliable source anywhere in the geneaology ofFile:Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE)-en.svg: it would be good to cite something on the Commons page that shows that this isn't completely made up.
I've removed the map from the article. Besides the missing source, it appears inaccurate: the map shows the Third Wall following today's Old City walls, whereas most scholars place the original Third Wall further north, based on excavations north of the Old City. Until a map based on a reliable source is available, I think it would be best to omit it.Mariamnei (talk)16:22, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
File:19 Shrine of the Book 005.jpg seems to be a work of digital reconstruction by a Wikimedian -- what reason do we have to believe it's reliable? Information conveyed in image form is covered byWP:V just as much as text.
OK, that needs to be reflected on the Commons page. Unless Michael Avi-Yonah is the Wikimedian who uploaded the picture, the licence there is at least incomplete.UndercoverClassicistT·C17:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The description has been updated to clarify that this is a photograph of a scale model originally designed by Michael Avi-Yonah. Since the uploader is the photographer, the existing public-domain licence appears to be valid.Mariamnei (talk)20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Italy does not have freedom of panorama, soFile:Arch of Titus Menorah.png needs a tag for the original work. Italian law on publishing images of archaeological remains is complicated and restrictive, but my understanding is that Wikimedia only requires that the remains themselves are old enough to be PD in Italy and the US.
This is not a photo of the original relief, as the Wikimedia Commons caption suggests, but an image of a replica created for theANU – Museum of the Jewish People in Tel Aviv (presumably made with Italian permission). How can we make sure that its use complies with the requirements?Mariamnei (talk)16:22, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At minimum, we need full information about the object on the Commons page, with an explanation of why it's PD (the object as well as the photograph) in both the US and the source country.UndercoverClassicistT·C17:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added more detail to the file page. It now says that this is a photo of a modern replica of the Arch of Titus menorah relief, displayed at the ANU Museum of the Jewish People, and so on. The original relief in Rome is of course ancient and I guess supposed to be public domain everywhere. The replica seems to be a faithful reproduction rather than a creative reinterpretation, so it likely doesn't create new copyright. As for the photo, it was taken by the uploader and released under a free license, so it should be fine under both US and Israeli copyright law.Mariamnei (talk)20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The threshold for creating a new copyrighton the replica (not the original work) is very low indeed --aphotograph of an ancient coin, in the view of the WMF, is eligible for copyright. Electrotypes, casts and so on are always considered a new copyright, as are paintings of paintings (seethis example). Israeli standards are one thing, but everything on Wikipedia needs to be PD in the United States, as that's where the WMF's servers are located.UndercoverClassicistT·C11:31, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a PD tag for the original illumination (early 16th century) and updated the description to make that clearer. The CC0 release from the National Library of Wales already covers the digital image, so I guess this should now be fine, but please let me know if anything still looks incomplete.Mariamnei (talk)20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
HiJeromi Mikhael, review follows: article created 9 October and exceeds minimum length; article is well enough written and cited inline (almost!) throughout to what appear to be reliable sources; a QPQ has been carried out; hook fact is moderately interesting, stated in the article and (according to Google Translate) checks out to the source cited; I didn't notice any overly=close paraphrasing from the English language sources. My only comments are that the predecessor and successor for his ambassadorial role in the infobox are only mentioned there and are not cited, can you add citations? Also that in describing him as "Indonesia's ambassador to Uzbekistan" in the hook I had expected him to be the current ambassador, I would consider just dropping that bit entirely -Dumelow (talk)14:06, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moving discussion fromWikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Mohamad_Asruchin@Jeromi Mikhael,Dumelow, andBunnypranav: I can't find any discussion of reopening embassies in China or Afghanistan in the hook source, which is itself a non-independent primary source (it's the subject's CV) and thus not a reliable source; if we used it we'd have to attribute the fact to him (a laAsruchin claims that he was involved in....). The article does not state what the hook does about him being involved in reopening an embassy in China. Frankly, the hook is not interesting, but if that were the only issue I'd probably defer to the rest of you -- but there are several other problems. If there's not clarity here in the next hour I will pull this hook.Dclemens1971 (talk)14:56, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do what you want. The frequency of the hook pulls in the past two months have been much more frequent in comparison to the previous years and I'd rather see my hooks being pulled than losing my sanity. Regards,Jeromi Mikhael15:31, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article meets all DYK criteria. Article new enough, substantially long, has well-structured prose, well-sourced, presentable, and maintains a neutral tone. Hook is interesting, short, and supported by inline citation. Image is free and used in article. Regards,Jeromi Mikhael15:40, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewing this one for promotion, and I don't think a hook about a particular role being played is inherently interesting or unusual -- actors play many different kinds of roles, so this falls into the "did you know this person did her job?" category for me. The circumstances of her death, meanwhile, are attention-catching since dooring is not usually thought of as a serious risk by drivers. I don't think the following would be too sensationalistic, but let me know what you think:
ALT1: ... that actressWanda Perdelwitz(pictured) died from injuries after beingdoored while riding a bike?
ALT2: ... that as a child, actressWanda Perdelwitz(pictured) often watched her mother perform from backstage at theDeutsches Theater?
I'd go for the original hook. It's not about a role but her real hair was cut, and it shows how far she went for a role. It also explains why she didn't look that when she died, and it's the only pic we have of her. To focus on her death or on her early childhood says nothing abouther, as far as I can see. "Actress" can mean so many things that it's almost meaningless. Perhaps ALT0 can be worded differently. - Where the car parked, was of no consequence, - the tragedy was that the car's door was opened into the (narrow) bike path. There are photos in sources such as #7, Treskow. --Gerda Arendt (talk)06:11, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What you described (her cutting her hair specifically for the role) is slightly more interesting the hook itself, but it still strikes me as pretty normal for an actor to change his or her hairstyle for a role. Any other ideas? P.S. The apparentoriginal research in the article about the driver being in an impermissible area needs to be sourced or removed.Dclemens1971 (talk)15:23, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thriley: As I noted above, the original hook is not worded in a way that draws that connection. It is also highly likely that if this hook runs it will do so without a photo, so it must be interesting/engaging to the reader without an image. I don't think the approved hook is interesting and I'm unwilling to promote it as is, but I don't see any interest in new hooks. I will remove my question tag so that Jeromi Mikhael's approval of ALT0 will stand and another promoter may approve if they wish.Dclemens1971 (talk)12:55, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: Of course I was aware, as my comments above clearly indicate. I raised this conversation because I am worried that the current approved hook will not actually make it onto the homepage and I thought some alternatives would help. The other participants are uninterested in alternatives so the hook may stand and another promoter can choose what to do.Dclemens1971 (talk)14:01, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the article history, you see a lot of movement in what we say about the accident, especially about the helmet (in some headlines). We can drop the half sentence about the stopping place, it's not relevant, - the door into the bike path (which is just marked by a line) is. Triley? --Gerda Arendt (talk)08:09, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would like ALT2 if she followed her mother's path to stage theatre, but she waspopular (really) for popular tv series, especially a long-running one. Perhaps nameGroßstadtrevier in an ALT0a. Really don't want to focus on her death. --Gerda Arendt (talk)07:03, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 ... thatWanda Perdelwitz(pictured) played a police sergeant on the TV showGroßstadtrevier who was described as "impetuous, courageous" and "a little girly"?
ALT4 ... that in 2017,Wanda Perdelwitz(pictured) who played a police sergeant on the TV showGroßstadtrevier, received an award naming her "Coolste Kommissarin"?
I think you might be the one to word better in an ALT0a that it wasn't fiction but her real hair. My language isn't sufficient but I feel that its a stronger fact than the latest ALTs, + explaining the image. --Gerda Arendt (talk)08:52, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Reading one of your articles is always fun@UndercoverClassicist: and this is no different. I can find no major problems with the article and it was recently promoted to GA. The only issue I have is that the hook is rather dull. How would this hook sound instead:ALT1:"... thatMartin P. Nilsson called theRing of Nestor "a most amazing find", but later doubted its authenticity?"Jon698 (talk)00:42, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that "Somos Más Americanos" ("We Are More American"), described as an immigrant anthem, was included byRolling Stone in its list of "The 250 Greatest Songs of the 21st Century So Far"?
Overall: A new article that is long enough. The sources are adequate, it is written without bias, and it is free of copyvios. No images to review. QPQ done, although I don't understand the issue with you being the creator of the page 17 years ago since you haven't edited that page since 2009. I found one issue:
1. The lyrics section includes one single source, which might fall intoWP:ELNEVER, unless the lyrics are licensed by the copyright owner. I read other sources discussing the lyrics, so those sources might be better alternativesTbhotch™ (CC BY-SA 4.0)04:02, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am a little confused. I tried to limit the quoting of lyrics and integrated quotes with discussion. What can I do to resolve your issue?Cbl62 (talk)14:00, 9 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not talking about the lyrics themselves, I'm talking about lyricstranslate.com. It doesn't seem to indicate that copyright holders have allowed the website to use copyrighted lyrics on it. PerWP:SONG#LYRICS: "Per Wikipedia policy, please do not link to websites that are in violation of the artist's own copyright. SeeWikipedia:Copyrights#Linking to copyrighted works". You have sources available discussing the lyrics. Use those sources instead analyzing the lyrics.Tbhotch™ (CC BY-SA 4.0)00:30, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...or the beginning of a new era for bothWP and myAFC prospects? — This contributor,May 31 appeal atWP:RFUD
Returning to DYK--in earnest--well after taking some self-exile from WP in the wake ofMilton's aftermath and concerns over my reviewing style at the time. Took four months to get this finally going (and off anAFC queue that became rather worse for wear in my near-absence), but here we finally are. (Not to mention the throughline of this 1995 title strongly brings another, more recent DYK-to-be to mind--and my own off-WP writing career to date; you'll figure it out after you select "Draft" as a namespace option on my contributions list as of this writing.)
Another G13 appeal, concerning a kidlit title promised on said queue for ages, is on the horizon. Wish me luck till then...
Moved to mainspace bySlgrandson (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.
... that theEnderlin, North Dakota, tornado earned the first EF5 rating in 12 years by throwing train cars over four times as heavy and nearly twice the distance needed for the rating?
Source: The source appears on theDamage Assessment Toolkit, and can be found by ensuring the Begin and End Dates specified make a range that include June 20, 2025; then, find the purple EF5 polygon west of Fargo, North Dakota, and click on the southwesternmost purple EF5 damage point at 46.59, -97.56. This might seem convoluted, but this is standard practice within the weather community. The relevant text reads: "Tipped loaded car: The tornado derailed 33 train cars including 19 fully-loaded grain hopper cars and 14 empty tanker cars, mainly tipped from the track. Included in the derailed cars were one filled grain car (~286,000 lbs) and four empty tanker cars (~72,000 lbs) that were pulled into a field away from the track. One of the 4 tanker cars was tossed 600-1000 ft (183-305 m) from the track and an estimated 475.7 ft (145 m) from the distance of the previous tanker car it was attached to before being pulled off of the track; wheel sets detached near the point from which the cars were derailed from the track. It was in this train derailment location that EF-5 damage intensity was noted with greater than 210 mph winds listed officially for this tornado. Extensive collaboration with wind damage experts provided forensic analyses for the train damage that occurred with this tornado. These analyses estimate potential wind speeds of approximately 230 mph are needed to completely overturn a fully loaded grain hopper car. Collaboration with the Northern Tornadoes Project at Western University’s Canadian Severe Storms Laboratory estimated a potential wind speed of >119 m/s (>266 mph) to loft the empty tanker car 475.7 ft (145 m) using similar calculations performed in Estimating Wind Speeds in Tornadoes Using Debris Trajectories of Large Compact Objects (Miller et al. 2024). The study, published in the Monthly Weather Review, found that large compact objects lofted greater than 50 m indicate EF-5 intensity winds (greater than 200 mph). The Enderlin train cars were nearly 2× farther than the EF-5 threshold distance and ~4× heavier than the heaviest object modeled in the study."
Comment: Apologies about the convoluted source. The article is brand new and already at GA, and weatherspace editors are on it with a fervor I haven't seen since I started editing here (except for ongoing storms). I feel it's only right for this to get some recognition (it was at ITN/C but won't be posted), and I've plenty of QPQs leftover. Again, credit to EF5 and ChessEric for this one.
Improved to Good Article status byEF5 (talk) andChessEric (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Damnit, I was going to nominate with the exact same hook later today lol (do they hand out 4As if you aren’t the one nominating the DYK?). Original hook is interesting as-is.EF516:03, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the purposes of 4A, I'm fine with you taking credit for this one, as you were the one who basically built this page up to where it is now.Departure– (talk)16:04, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nono, it’s okay, DYK still counts even if you aren’t the one nominating. Maybe we could use the Alex Resel or Henderson images?EF516:07, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally think it'd be only right to use the photo of the moved train cars, but sadly this is one of the only cases of free tornado image, non-free damage image.Departure– (talk)16:09, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that while the article is currently atWP:GAR and will be there for at least a month the nomination is still valid as it was created in the last seven days.EF513:38, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been vetted so thoroughly in what are essentially two GARs that I have 0 doubts about its quality. It was nominated within the time limit. I do wonder whether the hook could be simplified to be moreaccessible to the general audience. "EF5" does not mean anything to most of us, I think.Surtsicna (talk)21:52, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that the2025 Enderlin tornado lifted multiple freight train cars into the air?
I imagine that that it is not unheard of for tornadoes to lift vehicles into the air, but for a layperson, this probably gets the job done without reliance on specialist terminology like EF strength.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)08:00, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 ... that the2025 Enderlin tornado lofted and threw loaded train cars further than its surveyors had seen lighter vehicles thrown?
Let me know what you think. A good bit of the interesting-ness of this, to me, comes from how surveyors hadn't seen this to this extent to then.Departure– (talk)15:14, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... thatLouis Tomlinson, who was kicked out of his school band, later became a member of one of the best-selling boy bands of all time?Source: Kicked out:The Guardian Best selling:NYT,Variety
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. All hooks are interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks good.Thriley (talk)18:01, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article was promoted to GA on 11 October and is 3,783 words (22,938 characters) in length. It is fully-sourced, neutral and free from plagiarism, as verified by the GA review. The hooks are cited and QPQ is done. I think ALT1 is intriguing, as it's unexpected to see "pirate radio" in the same sentence as a Nintendo game; but I'm not sold on ALT0, as Nintendo games referencing themselves isn't particularly novel. Approved ALT1.Grnrchst (talk)19:16, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the 2003Marvel Comics seriesTrouble was part of a "made-you-look" marketing strategy of provocative editorial gimmicks aimed at attracting substantial media coverage?Source:CBR,Newsarama
ALT2: ... that the 2003Marvel Comics seriesTrouble was an attempt by the company to re-expand intoromance comics, a genre which enjoyed significant popularity in the mid-20th century?Source:Web-Spinning Heroics: Critical Essays on the History and Meaning of Spider-Man
ALT3: ... that fan reaction to the 2003Marvel Comics seriesTrouble, which suggests thatAunt May is secretlySpider-Man's biological mother, determined whether or not it would becomecanon?Source:ICV2
Source: Page 11 of Cronenberg on Cronenberg by Chris Rodley
ALT1: ... that the cast ofWinter Kept Us Warm was not made aware of the film's queer subject matter?Source: Page 57 of Winter Kept Us Warm by Chris Dupuis
Overall: Out of the two, I would recommend the second hook, with a bit more context. That is, people unfamiliar with the film will be unaware of the time period and amount of queer content. We may also consider the following hooks:
ALT2: ... that the cast ofWinter Kept Us Warm were not informed of the film's queer subject matter, despite homosexuality being a "triple taboo" in 1965?
ALT2: ... that it was thought that black men could not play the "thinking man's'" position ofcenter in the NFL until the career ofBill Cottrell?Source: same
The article is new enough (promoted to GA on 13 October 2025), is long enough (5449 characters of prose), has no apparent copyright issues (per GA review), and is presentable (per GA review and readthrough). I find the hook hard to read, where "unheralded" and "starter" seem to be jargon and "poor" is ambiguous. I think ALT2 could be seen as contentious when it doesn't specify who thought this. So I would prefer ALT1, which is cited, short enough, and interesting. A similar hook waspreviously pulled, but according toUser:Guerreroast, it is permissible in the current nomination. QPQ is done. I am passingALT1. – Editør (talk)10:46, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11 andEditør: ALT1 definitely should not be phrased that confidently, as the source states "[Cottrell] is believed to be the first Black center". Adding that hedging to the phrasing would definitely detract from its hookiness, though, so can one of the other hooks be rephrased to address the concerns in Editør's review, or another hook proposed?(pleasemention me on reply)—TechnoSquirrel69(sigh)06:55, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The source also says "NFL's first Black center" in the title and "He was the first." in a quote, though. – Editør (talk)17:38, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Based5290: Technically, depending on how you look at it, both hooks could meet DYKFICTION, if they are interpreted to refer to in-game mechanics rather than plot details. In-game mechanics are not considered DYKFICTION violations. Having said that, I would personally shorten ALT1 to just:ALT1a ... thatTamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop 2 features a mini-game called sushi-bowling?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)07:43, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatBad End Theater uses a cute visual style to portray tragic death without showing gruesome details?
Source: Couture, Joel."The cascading consequences of Bad End Theater's parallel narratives".Game Developer. Retrieved 2 August 2025. Supporting text: "Cuteness is my specialty! I think having cute characters makes the darker endings more approachable and "safe". I wanted all the emotions of a tragic death without having to show any gruesome details - for me, it's more effective if it remains abstract or stylized."
ALT1: ... thatBad End Theater has 41 bad endings?Source: NomnomNami (2022-02-22), BAD END THEATER art collection. Requires owning Bad End Theater to access. Supporting text: "41 bad endings... it's a strange final number to land on, isn't it?"
Reviewed:
Moved to mainspace byThe Sophocrat (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Final Weapon was determined likely unreliable atWikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Final Weapon. What do you mean? Only one out of four editors argued it was "not a high-quality source". The site lists its editorial staff and its reviews have been featured elsewhere in the industry. As for meeting WP:GNG, the article cites a thesis, the Final Weapon Review, and aPCGamer review. Those are three independent, reliable sources that significantly cover the article subject, so the subject meets WP:GNG.Sophocrat (talk)17:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's more complex than just one of four editors arguing it's unreliable. The ones arguing it was unreliable offered way more evidence in support of that fact, includingUser:Captain Galaxy's numerous points andUser:Sergecross73 in the previous 2024 discussion about the site. At the very least, its reliability is in heavy doubt due to the writers' lack of credentials. I am not sure why Anait Games should be considered reliable either, it appears to share similar issues. To be clear, reliability is not a negotiable part ofWP:GNG and if you pull a source out of nowhere that isn't inWP:VG/S orWP:Perennial sources, etc. you will need some solid proof that it should actually be taken seriously, especially with the advent of AI and misinformation online.ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ)05:42, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With regards to the Marta Trivi page, it was essentially just created and I am unsure if it passesWP:NBIO. She appears to be more of a freelance journalist than someone with industry credentials so I'm not sure you can pull out the "this person is a journalist" argument to say that the site is reliable.ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ)05:49, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's also a page discussing the game, comparable in size to the PCGamer review, fromthis thesis (plaintext link) fromHacettepe University (it also dedicates a subchapter to another of the dev's games, but I digress). It was supervised by doctor Elif Varol Ergen, who seems to be a recognized specialist in the field (eg bythis art magazine article) (as preferred byWP:THESIS [If possible, use theses that have been [...] supervised by recognized specialists in the field]). The GryOnLine article was written in 2021, this thesis in 2024, and the other thesis I cite in 2025. This demonstratessustained coverage that has outlived the game's initial release. I do believe this subject is notable and evidently an article can be written about it—it's just a bit niche (and perWP:DYKCITE,The use of multiple sources is generally preferred, though more leeway may be given for more obscure topics).Sophocrat (talk)00:27, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Gry Online page bills itself as a "game description" with zero independent commentary, so I don't think it would fall underWP:SECONDARY. Per that page, "A secondary source provides thought and reflection [...]". GNG requires the sources in question to be secondary ones. I am also concerned whether the thesis page would have sufficient commentary independent of pure descriptions of the content. It may be worth removing the unreliable sources and expanding the reception; if the sources are insufficient, it will clearly show in the lack of content that can be gleaned for the section, and vice-versa.ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ)09:43, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the University of Chicago team who worked on the production of the world's first human-caused self-sustaining nuclear reaction, includingEnrico Fermi in the front row andLeó Szilárd in the second
ALT4a: ... that the originalUniversity of Chicago, founded in the 1850s, was foreclosed upon and shut down in 1886?Source: The University of Chicago: A History, by John W. Boyer, pages 8-10. ISBN 9780226835303
ALT5: ... that theUniversity of Chicago's Gothic architecture was deliberately designed to evoke Oxford and Cambridge, despite the university being located in America's Midwest?Source: Schulze, Franz; Harrington, Kevin (2003). Chicago's Famous Buildings (5th ed.). University of Chicago Press. pp. 246–50. ISBN 0-226-74066-8. Retrieved August 31, 2009.
Reviewed:
Comment: I don't have the Boyer book with me at the moment, but if necessary I can get it and find the exact text supporting the claims.
Improved to Good Article status byCharter6281 (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article was nominated for DYK on the same day it passed GA (Oct 14) and at 44k characters and 6.5k words it is more than long enough. Sourcing is fine, although if I were the GA reviewer, I would have asked for more independent secondary sources rather than relying so heavily on University of Chicago-affiliated sources (understandable as this is pretty typical of university histories; it's just that it's not that hard to find secondary sources for a lot of the claims in the article). Article is neutral in tone. Earwig suggests that copyvio is unlikely; the match rate nevertheless seems high (31% with Britannica for example) but when you look closely it turns out to be due to things like the long institute names, which should remain fixed. As for manual spotchecks, a quick comparison with pages from the Boyer book, which the article cites heavily, makes it apparent that the Boyer book is much more flowery in tone and that close paraphrasing seems unlikely. Only one link in the proposed hooks is bold-linked and this article looks presentable. The QPQ is not required, as the nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
This leaves the hooks. ALT0, ALT1, and ALT2 fail the "short enough" test – ALT0 and ALT1 both contain very interesting facts, but they are crammed with so much detail and bluelinks, such that there is no compelling reason for the reader to click on the link to read the University of Chicago article. (In other words, you don't want to ask a question that contains the exact answer. ALT1, for example, could perhaps be shortened to "... that only Room 405 of theUniversity of Chicago'sGeorge Herbert Jones Laboratory is aNational Historic Landmark?" because at least then the reader would want to know "why only Room 405?" but it's not great in that it's more about George Herbert Jones Laboratory than the University of Chicago itself. And in any case, if you wanted to use that hook, you really should cite additional sourceslike this one in the article itself. To be honest, ALT3 is the hook that caught my eye from the very start, butWP:ERRORS is very unforgiving of superlative claims like "first" and "largest". Even if it technically is true that University of Chicago Press is the largest in North America, this claim is only sourced within the article to the University of Chicago Press itself (a primary source), which also fails to explain exactly why it's the largest (by what metric). This leaves ALT4. And while I thought ALT4 was going to be an easy pass, a potential problem is that the article itself doesn't use the words "bankrupt" or "bankruptcy" anwhere, and one could argue thatforeclosure is not the same asbankruptcy.@Charter6281: If you are in a hurry to get this DYK approved, I would recommend doing a bit of work to resolve this and bulletproof ALT4. Otherwise, good job with the article; it's well written and very informative.Cielquiparle (talk)04:25, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Charter6281: Better. Thanks for working on your hooks. There are still issues that need to be resolved, though. See below. (And also, from this point on, please don't swap out any ALT hooks. You can start new ones inline here in the Comments, formatted the same way (scroll throughWP:DYKNA to get a feel for formatting options for revised ALT hooks) and strike any content you decide not to uselike this. I've also re-numbered your ALT hooks so it's clear to any subsequent reviewers that we aren't talking about the same hooks as before.Cielquiparle (talk)04:32, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a seems like an interesting hook. Can you find an additional source for it that isn't University of Chicago Press? For a "world's first" claim like that, we're looking for reliable secondary sources that verify that the claim is true. That source or sources need to be added to the article itself.
ALT2a is better than it was before, but there is literally only one sentence about the topic in the actual article that doesn't give us any "reward" for clicking on the hook and no real argument about why this is a significant or interesting fact (plus it's only sourced to the University of Chicago magazine). Either expand the content in the article by at least one sentence, citing at least one reliable secondary source, or we can just table this hook.
ALT4a is ok.
ALT5 is interesting but the article refers only to Oxford, not Cambridge, and the hook itself is still way too verbose.
In conclusion, I would recommend you fix at least ALT0a and possibly ALT5 (meaning fix the corresponding sourcing in the article itself in the case of ALT0a, and fix the hook language and possibly the content within the article itself if you can find a source to back up the "Cambridge" part), and then we will have at least 3 approved hooks and leave it up to the hook promoter which one to choose.Cielquiparle (talk)04:32, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One possible solution to ALT0/ALT0a is to simply drop the "first" claim and just mention that the reaction took place under a stadium's stands. To me at least, that was the actually interesting part, not that it was a "first".Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)09:07, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One issue is that the article currently does not mention "stands" but only the specific stadium itself (in this case, Stagg Field) is mentioned, without any mention of the experiment being done under the stands. Unless the article is revised, another possibility could be:
This is silly: the point of DYK is to motivate/reward editors and offer readers interesting/significant hooks/articles; am striking the withdrawal and reviewing (though I did suggest the hook; not sure recourse toIAR is necessary); the hook is obviously about Aomori Prefecture, drawing attention both to itsshape — in the way a museum label helps viewers look more closely at the item in question — thereby anchoring it in the mind for future recognition, and itsseptentrionality,Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk)05:03, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall:nearly good to go, just one clarification needed: in paragraph 2 of the demographics section we seem to have birth rates of 1.21 and 1.24, the latter being higher than the former, or are the measures different? Thank you,Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 05:03, 6 November 2025 (UTC) Good to go,Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk)13:16, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree; as far as I know, we've never disrespected a nominator's request to withdraw a nomination. Consensus should be established to run before this hook is promoted, and I currently count two in favor and three against.theleekycauldron (talk • she/her)03:48, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Normally, I would be fine with the nomination being closed as a withdrawal, but given that the withdrawals took place as a result of miscommunication that could have easily been resolved, perhaps there is still a way forward for the nominations, or at least for the withdrawals to be lifted. As for your concern, I'm not sure if this counts, but in the past we have run nominations by editors who said they would not participate further in a nomination, but stopped short of withdrawing.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)08:39, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Hello, with a view to approving ALT1, the source says "one may add that Chopin probably composed only the 3rd variation"; do you have a source that would enable the addition of how many variations there are, and that the third is (the only one) in a minor key? Thank you,Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk)20:28, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article was moved within the window and is long enough, and seems to be fully cited. The hook itself is short enough and passesWP:DYKINT. No copyvio concerns except the formality below. Points that need looking at:
Could you provide the quotation from note 13 to support the hook -- the newspaper citation isWP:PRIMARY and only strictly proves that one letter existed.
There is quite heavy use of primary sources throughout: can any of these be replaced or buttressed with modern secondary sources?
I've requested access to a copy of the book again, it might take a few days to get it.
The primary newspaper sources are being used to back up the dates. I had the issue that some of the secondary sources had incorrect dates for when he held these positions, so the primary ones were actually more reliable in this case.
Nothing really, though it's the only online source I could find talking about his role as a mason.
@UndercoverClassicist: Quote from page 35:Another letter printed in thePress on November 30, 1866, again from the Debtor's Quarters, also complained about the doctor. The writer said he wanted "a curb of petty tyranny whih appears to be exercised by those who are dressed in a limited brief authority." His complaint was that when he was unwell on November 28 he sent out for a "bottle of porter" which was a privilege allowed by law to debtors. However, to his "astonishment the warder formed me that Dr Donald had ordered that I was not to be allowed to receive my beer. ... I could, if space permitted, give you many instances of the petty tyranny exercised by Dr Donald towards the unfortunate debtors confined here and are treated far worse than the convicted felons and towards whom a system of petty annoyances is practised by the gaol authorities. It is useless for me to make my complaint to His Honour the judge as it only passed unheeded."David Palmer//cloventt(talk)00:21, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles are long enough and pass GA standards as indicated in the nom (Marina Days was promoted on 16 Oct andOur Lady of the Ozarks College moved on the same day. Two QPQs done, per requirements when this was nominated. Both are generally in good shape and presentable for the main page. No evidence of copyvio or other issues, having run Earwig on both, and all images are appropriately licensed.
The hook is cited but I can't access the first link: could you provide the supporting text? I'm not sure the second quite has enough to support this as anannual figure (rather than the expectation for 2025), and it doesn't specify the location or that they're all Vietnamese Catholics. I think it just about passes the bar forWP:DYKINT, but you may wish to come up with some ALTs -- readers without a clear expectation of how many Vietnamese Catholics they would find in Missouri may not be particularly shocked. We could also do with explicitly saying that the Marian Days take placeat Our Lady of the Ozarks College -- this isn't directly said in either article.
The footnote is more of an editorial explanation than an encyclopedic fact repeating a secondary source. If having the citation is important, then the footnote can just be deleted; I'm not sure if there exists a source that explains the situation resulting in said editorial decision. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs14:46, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It contains an encyclopaedic fact:The congregation does not have a formal name for the entire campus, other than the simple "Congregation of the Mother of the Redeemer", and the title of "Immaculate Heart of Mary" only refers to one shrine chapel.. Whether that's an essential fact to include, I leave to you, but if we're going to include it, we must cite it.UndercoverClassicistT·C15:10, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking up, I see we never sorted the citation query. Could you provide the text from the first link that supports the hook, and (if needed after that) a quote from a second source that supports the idea that thousands attend every year? More subjective, but we're now in the odd situation whereOur Lady of the Ozarks College explicitly says that Marian Days happen there, butMarian Days doesn't.UndercoverClassicistT·C07:32, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The very first spot check failed: the cited NYT article does not verify the "second thoughts"/"wisdom" wording in the article. I also do not see the "presumably referring to the spread of information on the Internet" bit in the Propublica article. There seems to be quite a bit of room for improvement here,RedDeadGuy.Surtsicna (talk)22:17, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...that thewinning song of theEurovision Song Contest 1961 was included in a 2020s promotional campaign by the French government to highlight and combat homophobia, biphobia and transphobia?
Improved to Good Article status bySims2aholic8 (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 26 past nominations.
... thatCharlie Mitchell is the first Black chef in New York City to receive a Michelin star?and only the second Black executive chef in the country to receive a star?
@Launchballer: It is Gerald Sombright and he doesn't have an article, I already have a good bit of the resources needed for him and can get it put together. Once I get it done do I nominate his separately or add it on to this one? New to all of this and want to do it correctly.
I put together what I could forGerald Sombright, but there isn't nearly enough for me to be willing to submit it with Mitchell's. Mitchell has received significantly more press coverage because of receiving the Young Chef Award and the James Beard Award, and doing so at such a young age. If changing the hook would be more appropriate I would be happy to reword it. (Also I corrected the capitalization in the hook.)Snuggle 🖤 (talk)21:26, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to leave this submission as just Chef Mitchell, and the hook as is, and then leave Chef Sombright's to potentially expand and submit in the future.Snuggle 🖤 (talk)22:58, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a review (yet), but I would suggest splitting the hook into two separate hooks, or perhaps only focusing on the Michelin star hook. "Only the second Black executive chef in the country to receive a star?" is a superlative and exceptional claim, and perWP:DYKHOOKCITE, would require very strong sourcing to prove. "First Black chef to receive a Michelin star", while a "first" hook, might be easier to verify. However, I have concerns about the hook wording itself since "first Black chef" is vague: did he himself get the Michelin star, or was it the restaurant he worked for that received it? Are we sure that prior Michelin-starred restaurants in New York did not have Black chefs working for them? That's the issue with "first" hooks: they need to be scrutinized to make sure they're accurate.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)12:42, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the hook can be split, as far as the first claim goes - the hook as it is right now is using the same wording as the Michelin Guide,[1][2] the New Yorker,[3] CBS news,[4] MSNBC,[5]Today,[6] and Grub Street/New York magazine.[7] Yes, it's technically the restaurant that receives the star and the star remains with the restaurant and doesn't move with the chef but within the profession it is understood that the executive chef/head chef/chef de cuisine is the one that "earns" the star. He is called the first Black chef in the country to receive a star in multiple sources as well simply because Chef Mitchell and ChefGerald Sombright earned their stars in the same year, one being awarded at the Florida awards which took place in June 2022 and the other being awarded at the New York awards that took place in October 2022. On a side note, the claim that he is the 2nd executive chef to receive the honor is more or less a technicality thing (I am personally not a fan), sinceMariya Russell was the first Black chef in the country to receive a star but she didn't hold the executive chef title at the time and she left fine dining after receiving the star.
@Narutolovehinata5: I would be happy to change the hook to something that would be more in line with DYK hooks but I don't know how it should be worded without being disingenuous to the sources which are mainstream (majority non-food focused) publications, Grub Street being the only one that is food-centric. If the fact that he is the first Black chef in NYC to receive a star isn't interesting enough then I'm not really sure how to proceed. I just struggle to say he didn't receive and earn it considering he was co-owner and executive chef, meaning 99% of the criteria that Michelin look at for stars was under his purview. It wasn't a Bib gourmand, he retained the star for a second year, and is now at a two-starred restaurant. The full 2025 guide will be released in 5 days, depending on how Saga rates this year, there may be a better hook revealed then.
@Snugglebuns: It's just that saying that he was the "first Black chef in NYC to get a Michelin star" sounds inaccurate when it'srestaurants that get stars, not chefs. Even if it can be interpreted that way, the statement is vague and imprecise enough that, even if the hook was approved, it might get shot down atWP:ERRORS. It's not about it being interesting, it definitely is, but the question is if the statement is accurate. Coupled with DYK'sincreasing scrutiny of "first" hooks, and presenting that hook adequately is a challenge. Something like "Mitchell was the chef when X received a star" would only make the hook more complicated and clunky. Is it possible to move away from the "first"/"second" Black chef angles and instead propose a different hook fact?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)01:28, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: so the other hook that I had been considering that isn't about the star was something along the lines of "...that Chef Mitchell got his start in the kitchen after asking the sous chef for a job while valeting his car?" but the wording felt awkward to me (which might totally just be me since it's something I've been tossing around in my head for a while now) and I've been kinda stuck on it. (Mitchell was a valet at the restaurant that he worked at in Detroit, he got his first job in the kitchen as pantry chef after asking the sous chef for a job while getting the sous chef's car.) Would that be more along the lines that I should be working?Snuggle 🖤 (they/them/it) (talk)20:48, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"...that Chef Mitchell went from valet to pantry chef after asking the sous chef for a chance while retrieving his car?"
"...Chef Mitchell's path to Michelin-starred kitchens started in the valet lot?" (I have a bit of a preference for this one but would be open to other options.)
After talking to my adopter, I'm thinking that removing the Chef from his name would be better and using the less vague option so along the lines of "..thatCharlie Mitchell became a pantry chef after retrieving a sous chef's car while working as a valet?"Snuggle 🖤 (they/them/it) (talk)16:05, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The last hook works in terms of wording. I am probably not the best person to give this a full review, so I am inviting a new look at this. I was mainly concerned with helping out with proposing a better hook.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)08:16, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Listen to the story", (from the Introductory toGranny's Wonderful Chair, illustrated by Marie Seymour Lucas, 1890
... thatFrancis Hodgson Burnett was accused of plagiarism after publishing a story based onFrances Browne’sGranny's Wonderful Chair(illustrated)?Source:Easley, Alexis (2019). "The Nineteenth Century: Intellectual Property Rights and "Literary Larceny"".The Cambridge Handbook of Literary Authorship. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.doi:10.1017/9781316717516.010.
Comment: I will complete another DYK shortly and add it here. I think this illustration works well at small scale but there are lots of illustrations in the article to choose from. (Also note the bot doesn't seem to count multinoms, this is the 71st article I've nominated for DYK!)DrThneed (talk)03:13, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to mainspace byDrThneed (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 23 past nominations.
... thatHostage, a book written byEli Sharabi(pictured) after surviving 491 days inHamas captivity, became the fastest-selling title in Hebrew publishing history?
Overall: A newly created article that is long enough and new. It is sourced but there are dead links at the moment, so I cannot verify some information. It is neutral and there are no copyvios, but "His wife Lian and daughters Noya (16) and Yahel (13) were murdered in the attack" is close to the text used in the source. QPQ not required. The hook is sourced and interesting. Picture included and acceptable, but this selection depends on the DYK volunteers.Tbhotch™ (CC BY-SA 4.0)04:05, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - I think that the word "charged" tends to have a more official context, and so could be interpreted as a subjective statement. I've proposedALT1 above, which is a bit more neutral and descriptive.
ALT2: ... that for the video where afictional Russian deputy allegedly detonates a bus stop with a grenade launcher, the authors of theYouTube channel face 15 years in prison?
... thatJeff Baena was encouraged to pitch his nun comedy movieThe Little Hours after talking about medieval literature(depicted) while high and watchingDOGTV?
ALT1: ... that members of the six-person crew forThe Little Hours had to light some scenes with candles, which the cinematographer wicked herself?
ALT2: ... that preemptive religious criticism about nun movieThe Little Hours ended up being used in an R-rated trailer to promote the movie?
ALT4: ... that writer-directorJeff Baena was high when he came up withThe Little Hours, and producer-actorAubrey Plaza was high when she promoted it(both pictured)?
ALT5: ... thatThe Little Hours was based on at least three stories fromThe Decameron, primarily the third day(depicted)?
Comment: Sources in article, other hook suggestions welcome!
Improved to Good Article status byKingsif (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 144 past nominations.
Drive-by comment: there isabsolutely no way that the image shown to illustrate The Decameron in the hook and the article is attributable to Boccacio (who did not illustrate anything); it looks like a very modern, and therefore quite possibly copyrighted, illustration.This would be a good substitute in the article; do we really need it in the hook as well?Dahn (talk)21:39, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Having decided that the D.C. courts were Article III courts, the Supreme Court had to reconcile the fact that such courts performed nonjudicial functions with the rule that constitutional courts can exercise only the judicial power of the United States. The Court did so by holding that, in establishing courts for the District, Congress performs dual functions pursuant to two distinct powers: its power to constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court [i.e., Article III court], and its plenary and exclusive power to legislate for the District of Columbia. [i.e., Article I tribunal]"https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S1-9-4/ALDE_00013607/
Reviewed:
Created byLethargilistic (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Adequate sourcing: - As of writing, the article has two citation needed tags, two verification needed tags, one better source needed tag, and three further explanation needed tags.
Free ofcopyright violations,plagiarism, andclose paraphrasing: - Earwig returns 84.8% similarity to the SCOTUS decision hosted atJustia. Much of the shared prose is attributable to quotes, but that speaks to the fact that 43 quotes in a 3.7K article is excessive. Furthermore, there are many phrases copied from the decision without attribution, such as lifting the phrase "By the act of Congress already referred to, his salary was fixed at [...]" without attribution to Justice Sutherland.
Other problems: - "said" seems like the wrong verb for a court, especially the highest one for a country. "held" would be more appropriate.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Unclear why Lethargilistic nominated this, given that at the time of submission, he had tagged sentences that he had written with "citation needed". Per my above comments, the sourcing remains inadequate and the prose is overly reliant on extended quotes with occasional instances of actual plagiarism. The necessary changes seem like an insurmountable amount of work while the article is sufficiently "new", but the cited analysis from law review articles is impressive, so I could definitely see this hook running in DYK after becoming a Good Article.ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬)18:11, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ViridianPenguin:Sourcing: I use tags to keep track of my writing. If the article must be free of allcitation needed tags, I could understand that, and I could easily fix that. But the idea that it cannot contain any tags whatsoever does not sound right. That just incentivizes people to not disclose/record how the article could be better.
Copying: The article has a high Earwig score because I copied public domain text. None of it is copyvio, and close paraphrasing is not at issue because it is not copyvio. That said, please actually readthe plagiarism policy:[E]ven though there is no copyright issue, public-domain content is plagiarized if used without acknowledging the source.. Further,Whether it is copyright-expired or public domain for other reasons, material from public-domain sources is welcome on Wikipedia, but such material must be properly attributed. That is why all of the public domain sources other than the cases are marked with{{usgovpd}} if I copied from them. Any case text I copied is covered by the{{USGovernment-courts}} at the bottom and the citation to the specific case. All of it is attributed, so none of it is plagiarism. The fact that you, personally, would have written it a different way does not change the fact that what I have written follows the policy and the guidelines.
Other problems: Not a problem preventing DYK, and IMO insufficient formality is not a problem. Those aren't holding summaries. They're just quotes, so "said" is fine.
I misread which section VP's "other problems" comment was in and thought they were talking about the article's text. No objection to changing "said" to "held" in the DYK hook because that is, in fact, a holding summary.lethargilistic (talk)20:31, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also use "citation needed" tags when writing articles to know where I have to go back and add more footnotes. My point is that if you know portions of the body are insufficiently supported, then the article is not ready to be presented on the main page right now. For the same reasons as your explanation, I am not accusing you of copyright infringement. However, frequent and extended quotations from SCOTUS cases violate theMOS:QUOTE guideline, whichWikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#External policy compliance seems to prohibit. I truly did not intend to denigrate your article writing, hence why I foresaw this level of research paving the path to a Good Article. I certainly did not want to scare you off from the DYK process, and I hope that you can forgive any offense caused as this is conversely my first DYK hook review.ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬)22:30, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I havecopied that public domain text, not quoted it. It represents myWP:OWNWORDS, and it is attributed to comply with WP:PLAG. WP:QUOTE has nothing to do with that. There are places in the article where I have quoted. Those comply with the quote policy. If your interpretation was right, not only would WP:PLAG and the huge suite of templates like{{usgovpd}} be completely redundant, then the article would be interspersed with block quote formatting that would actively interfere with conveying the article's information. The objection, in that case, would be that the article was ugly. Ultimately, the objection to using public domain sources like this is an aesthetic difference between how you like to write and how I like to write, not something that interferes with Wikipedia's mission. How I like to write does not violate policy.lethargilistic (talk)00:29, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have resolved the "citation needed" and "verification needed" tags. I don't think the others should stand in the way of DYK because they just mark where the article should be longer, not sourcing issues. The "better source needed" marks the use of a primary source that is fine, but I think it could be improved with a secondary source, if possible.lethargilistic (talk)10:55, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Chiming in here. I don't have an opinion on the article, but the hook may need to be rewritten, or a new hook angle may be needed here. The issue is that, as currently written, it may not meetWP:DYKINT as readers may not know the difference between an Article III court and an Article I tribunal, or if they do, why that is significant. General readers may be confused by the hook and not understand what it means: generally speaking, hooks should be understandable and interesting even to readers without specialist knowledge (in this case, knowledge of the US court system).Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)12:37, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Fair point. And difficult to address because FedCourts cases are interesting because they can be impenetrable. My first stab at that would be"...that courts in Washington, D.C. are the only courts in the United States that may be organized under two articles of the Constitution at the same time?" That changes the hook from being triviaabout federal tribunals to being triviaabout the Constitution, which people feel more familiar with even if they don't know anything about it. But I sense that can be improved, and I'll think about it some more.lethargilistic (talk)13:28, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps...Washington, D.C.'s courts are the only courts in the United States that could use both congressional and judicial powers, but Congress doubled the number of courts in D.C. to avoid this.lethargilistic (talk)23:58, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source:*Lavelle, Ryan (2010).Alfred's Wars Sources and Interpretations of Anglo-Saxon Warfare in the Viking Age. Woodbridge, Suffolk: Boydel Press. pp. 306–307.ISBN978-1-84383-569-1.
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status byThelifeofan413 (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: No redlinks in hooks. Either remove it, or create the article and run this as a double hook if it is long enough.Roast (talk)19:07, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I remove the red link in the hook by linking what the article links it do, but they’re spelled differently… for some reason?1brianm7 (talk)17:05, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not a review, but since I tried to fix the typo myself before being edit conflicted, I'd like to note that it'd help if the Lavelle source supported the hook since reinterpreting medieval histories tend to cross theWP:SYNTH line (similar toWP:GRLIT).ミラP@Miraclepine17:12, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article was moved to mainspace on the 23rd and nominated on the same day. It also meets the length requirements. No QPQ is needed as the nominator has less than five nominations. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The hook is mentioned, cited inline, and verified in the source. However, I have reservations if it meetsWP:DYKINT. If a reader is unfamiliar with Holden, they may not understand the hook's significance and thus find it uninteresting. I would suggest proposing alternative hooks. If you are having trouble, I can inviteIcepinner, another Singaporean editor and a DYK regular, to assist you.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)09:34, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the ping, Narutolovehinata5. Fyi, I have read your message on Discord, but have not yet had the chance to properly read through the entire article. I'm a little bit busy with IRL stuff, but am willing to suggest any alternative hooks if the nominator is having trouble. I note that I discussedALT0 with a couple of other users off-Wiki, and one of them thinks it doesn't meet WP:DYKINT since it's just a party giving another party an object. I do think the hook could be interesting since it's structured in a way such that readers would think Lim gave Holden an actual lion head, but it is rather a borderline case.Icepinner15:03, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The new wording is an improvement, although it still seems to be a borderline case at best. I can see others finding it interesting though, so I'm willing to ask for a second opinion regarding ALT1. Otherwise, we could ask for more options or advice, perhaps from another editor likeZKang123.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)21:36, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's def an improvement, but I think it's chunkier now and I felt it should be kept in the active writing than passive, given the hook is supposed to be on the subject. So I might rewrite smth like:
Thank you. I'm still not 100% sure if that specific hook fact is interesting to others, so I am inviting a second opinion regarding its interest. Given the discussion above, only ALT2b is for consideration.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)05:09, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're free to pursue that hook, as I'm not formally reviewing this. I personally just avoid negative hooks, "unduly" or not. Best.—Bagumba (talk)20:52, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the reasons for nominating this and such, but I think having a DYK on such a recent criminal allegation/investigation is a bit undesirable when consideringBLP.Moneytrees🏝️(Talk)20:55, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that asylum seekers have beenprotesting for almost 400 consecutive days in the UNHCR humanitarian center in Agadez, Niger?
Source: "By late-2025, the protests continue for almost 400 consecutive days, making them one of the longest-running refugee-led demonstrations in North Africa."
ALT1: ... that refugees have beenprotesting for 400 consecutive days in the UNHCR humanitarian center in Agadez, Niger?Source: "By late-2025, the protests continue for almost 400 consecutive days, making them one of the longest-running refugee-led demonstrations in North Africa."
Reviewed:
Comment: If posted before 27 October, use "almost 400", if posted on 27 October, use "400", if posted after 27 October use "over 400".
Created byAfonso Dimas Martins (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Well written article on an important topic. My comments are all on the hook. First, it says "in Agadez" rather than "near Agadez" as the article says. Second, and more importantly, we don't have a source for the 400 consecutive days. I see one in article article 303 days (presumably written c.97 days ago). To be able to use the 400 number, we need a source confirming the protests are still going and have remained daily.Onceinawhile (talk)14:16, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sorry for being a day late, hope you don't mind
Improved to Good Article status bySammi Brie (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 800 past nominations.
Source: "Mr Chen, who remains at large, is accused of being the mastermind behind a "sprawling cyber-fraud empire" operating under his multi-national company, the Prince Group, said the US Department of Justice (DOJ)."[1]
"An airline that has become the first Cambodian company to attempt to list itself on a U.S. stock exchange has substantial ties to a notorious business conglomerate dogged by allegations of criminality"[2]
"Chen, through the Hong Kong-registered Asia Corporation, acquired a 50 percent stake in Habanos, the worldwide distributor of Cuban cigars, and subsequently leveraged this control to inflate market prices."[3]
Overall: Expanded from redirect and nominated within window. QPQ done; only one required. Copyvio Detector clear after I removed some unnecessary quotations from CNN. Three issues: (1) The hook is interesting, but it's not precisely accurate. The DOJ press release describes asprawling cyber-fraud empire operating under the Prince Group umbrella, which is not necessarily the same as saying the companyis the cyber-fraud empire. It could mean that the company provides cover for the scams through its legitimate investments and subsidiaries. That doesn't mean the company isn't a participant in the alleged crimes, just pointing out that the hook doesn't precisely match the source. (2) By attributing the charges to the company and not Chen, we don't automatically implicate aWP:BLPCRIME issue, and AFAIK there is no similar policy about criminal allegations related to companies. But given that Chen was indicted alongside the company, we're verging into BLPCRIME territory with a hook that uses the description of the prosecution in an ongoing case to describe the subject. (3) The "history" section includes a lot of padding on Chen's bio that's unrelated to the Prince Group. If that were to be removed perWP:DUE, we're very close to the DYK character minimum. I also think there's a presentability issue with the quasi-bullet point format of the history section, and I'd like to see that recast in encyclopedic prose.Dclemens1971 (talk)13:22, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: Thanks for the review. Point by point:
(1) I see what you're saying. How about this: ...The Prince Group owns anairline, controlsCuban cigar distribution, and according to the US Department of Justice, operates "a sprawling cyber-fraud empire"?
(2) I'm not seeing that this is a problem. The Prince Group as a company is explicitly indicted, and the hook does not mention Chen at all.
(3) Since this is a current news topic, the article is being heavily edited (by other users, not just me).Chen Zhi (businessman) was recently spun off into its own article, and I plan on moving all the biographical bits about Chen into that article.
Also, could you expand on the "Long enough" flag? Per DYKCheck, the article is at 2888 chars, comfortably above 1500 (even after the Chen content above is hived off).Asamboi (talk)19:50, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Asamboi: (1-2) My concern is that we should not be putting unproven criminal charges on the homepage, even for a company and not a person. How is this for a more factual approach that doesn't involve repeating the prosecutorial perspective:ALT2: ... that thePrince Group owns anairline, controlsCuban cigar distribution—and was sanctioned by British and U.S. authorities as an alleged transnational criminal organization? (Source:https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/10/26/cyber-scamming-prince-group-syndicate-singapore/,https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70jz8e00g1o). This leaves out the question of guilt or innocence and focuses on facts (sanctions were imposed). (3) My character count once the extraneous info is removed is 1619, which could fall under 1500 easily with a copy edit by another editor. I would focus on fleshing the article out a bit and providing more buffer, as well as prosifying the list-like nature of the "History" section. (I should add that the word count alone won't hold up approval of the nomination, but if another editor trims the page further, a prep builder or queuer might need to bump it back to the unapproved list.)Dclemens1971 (talk)20:29, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: I have removed the extraneous content about Chen and the article is still sitting at 2534 chars. I'm happy to sub in your hook.
... that despite being the longest servingArchbishop of Riga with a tenure of 37 years,Friedrich von Pernstein only spent less than five years inRiga?Source: Perhaps most easily accessiblehere (p. 653 for claims on longest serving; p. 658 for the five years)
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: WP:AGF on German sources. Article is well sourced throughout, free of plagirism, and fairly neutral. I can't verify the hook as it is in German, but given the nominator's track record of well-made articles put up on DYK? I can safely AGF on that front. I can also say that the hook is very interesting and attention grabbing. I see no problems, but if a German editor wants to review the two German texts to make sure they are accurate, that would be appreciated! --The Robot Parade (talk)20:49, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that notable scholars ofmedia capture say that events in 2025 in theUnited States are "unbelievable" and "worse than anything we imagined"?
Source:Simon, Joel (2025-08-05)."Why so many experts think media capture is already a reality in America".Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved2025-10-21.Now experts warn that media capture has come to the United States. "We watch unbelievingly," Mungiu-Pippidi said. "In the old days we thought capture was mostly a problem in Africa and Latin America and then in Eastern Europe after the fall of the Berlin Wall," noted Anya Schiffrin, another scholar of media capture and the director of the Technology, Media, and Communications specialization at Columbia University. "What's happened in the last six months in the US is worse than anything we imagined.".
Comment: The word "notable" is used as Mungiu-Pippidi is the scholar whose definition of media capture is most widely used, and Schiffrin is the scholar who has written or edited the most publications on the subject.
Created byOnceinawhile (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 84 past nominations.
Not reviewing it, but there is a problem I have with the article: in the scope of the article you mention "platform capture" (social media) but you don't speak about social media apart from the very first sentence and from a cursory look you don't seem to cite any source that speaks about social media. Is there a reason for this?Szmenderowiecki (talk)00:56, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the entire source is available online on the publisher's site.[16] While social media is mentioned in other parts of the book, the cited page number for the lead and the content don't really add up. I suspect that the cited sources are mixed up a bit and the editor needs to go back and take a look.Viriditas (talk)23:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Various kinds of systemic biases in media is important topic, but not sure of above hook being suitable. Present hook sounds to me bit like recentism, sensational and vague. Not sure, even good number of audience is aware of concept ofMedia capture, hence whether hooks explaining concept itself will be more interesting and easy to understand. Alts something like on following lines?
"... that, Media capture, is a form in which mass media and social media platforms are controlled by governments, corporations, or powerful individuals to serve their own interests instead of the public interest?"
"... that, media capture describes how vested interests can dominate or co-opt nominally independent media institutions through ownership, regulation, or financing, whilst maintaining the illusion of press freedom?"
"... that, media capture is distinguished from censorship by its indirect mechanisms—such as ownership concentration, clientelism, and state advertising—used to manipulate editorial independence?"
"... that, according to Marius Dragomir, media capture involves the takeover of four key levers of influence: media regulation, state-owned outlets, government financing, and private ownership?"
Comment: I'm sad that I didn't get a good image when she played near me in summer. We could add that she was the youngest winner at the time, but I think 17 is fairly young enough. Other hook ideas welcome.
Created byDr. Blofeld (talk) andGerda Arendt (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 2158 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that “...Your mind is caged, let it free. My body is not, let it be … My choice: to love a man, or a woman, or both. Remember, you are my choice. I’m not your privilege. ..." is from 2015 FilmMy Choice?
ALT2: ... that “2015 filmMy Choice features music by French composerMathias Duplessy, using percussion instruments for acoustics along with MongolianTuvan throat singing technique?
ALT3:... that The rise ofneoliberal feminism, as seen in filmMy Choice, stems from complexgender constructions across states, markets, and civil societies encompassing multiple ideological intersections?
Source: Secondary: Chakraborty, Gauri D. (24 March 2023). "6. New Feminist Visibilities and Sisterhood: Re-interpreting Marriage Desire and Self-Fulfillment in mainstream Hindi Cinema" (PDF). In Chakraborty Paunksnis, Runa; Paunksnis, Šarūnas (eds.). Gender, Cinema, Streaming Platforms: Shifting Frames in Neoliberal India. Germany: Springer International Publishing. pp. 154, 155. doi:10.1007/978-3-031-16700-3_6. ISBN 978-3-031-16700-3
ALT4: ... that Lyrics of 2015 filmMy Choice were written by Kersi Khambatta?
Comment: Now the article has been assessed as B class.(dif of the article talk page history) Just for transparency and record: This is re-nomination (link to previous nomination page) after previous draftfication and reentry in the article namespace with due process of addressing issues raised during draftification with the help ofWP:Teahouse feedback and copy edit supported by substantially by two copy editors and other multiple experienced copy editors too looked into the article, edited by 19 users by now (Link to Xtools) and re-entry byWP:AFC process. It has been confirmed atDYK talk page that the article can be re-nominated after reentry in the article namespace with dueWP:AFC process.
Created byBookku (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Also (from previous own comment):" To those having music related curiosity Alt2 might sound relatively more interesting, but this DYK's purpose is to focus on the film and not the music. I hope reviewers will take note of this aspect while taking the call."
Though forAlt5 we will need to consider two different different sentences from secondary source or form a sentence from primary source perMOS:FILMPLOT. As suchWP:CALC says:
".. Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the results of the calculations are correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age, is almost always permissible. .."
... that for Romanian shepherds in the Carpathians, even the staff and the whip could sing, as thefluier (flute) was sometimes built directly into them?
Source: Original Romanian: Asemenea fluiere sînt uneori construite într-o bîtă («fluier în botă »), în care caz se taie în tub o deschizătură corespunzătoare găurii de jos a ţevii. Alteori, un fluier cu dop şi şase deschizături pentru degete se face în codirişca unui bici («fluier bici»).
English Translation: Such fluiers are sometimes constructed within a stick or staff (fluier în botă, literally 'flute in a stick'), in which case an aperture corresponding to the lowest finger hole of the pipe is cut into the outer casing. Alternatively, a fipple fluier (with a whistle mechanism) and six finger holes is constructed within the handle (shaft) of a whip (fluier bici, 'whip fluier').
Alexandru, Tiberiu (1956). Instrumentele muzicale ale poporului romîn [The musical instruments of the Romanian people] (in Romanian). București: Editura de stat pentru literatură şi artă, p.63
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Created byIurii.s (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source:The Television [ja] (link): すべて実際に作っています。普段から作っているものと、各キャラクターに合わせて用意したレシピがあります。あと、めんつゆのメーカーさんの公式レシピからお借りしたものもいくつか。[I've actually been making all the dishes. There are dishes that I've made normally, and recipes I've prepared that match the characters. Also, there are some that I've borrowed from official recipes frommentsuyu manufacturers.]
Other problems: - Hook is interesting but is there any way to support the much more interesting... thatevery chapter of themanga seriesMentsuyu Hitori Meshihas recipesincludes a recipe on cooking withmentsuyu?? It seems to be true but I can't find English-language sources to support this stronger statement.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Nominated the same day as article creation. DYK Check returns 3,351 characters of prose. All statements in the article and the hook are cited. Primarily to Japanese-language sources, but with provided translations that are close enough to machine translations that I accept them. Earwig review is clear. Hook is interesting enough. Nominator did two QPQs as required, which were satisfactory.Dan Leonard (talk •contribs)08:49, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Lullabying: I figured that was the case, but since I don't have literacy in Japanese I was personally limited to English-language sources. If you are interested in the alt hook and can justify it with a Japanese-language source it'd be great, but still fine to pass as-is.Dan Leonard (talk •contribs)04:10, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Please let me know if I should propose another hook or if there are any questions/issues!
Improved to Good Article status byDaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 35 past nominations.
... that in the Romanian Carpathians, young women once flirted with the hills – playing thefifăfluier and answering its echo with yodel-likehăulit singing?
ALT1: ... that women the Romanian Carpathians traditionally play the one-notefifăfluier, around which their voice "embroiders" a rudimentary melody using a yodel-likehăulit singing?
ALT2: ... that the single tone of thefifă, an archaicfluier from the foothills of the Carpathians , combines with yodel-likehăulit singing to create a "zigzag contour" of a single melodic line?
ALT3: ... that when women in the Oltenia Carpathians play thefifă, their voice essentially becomes an "extension of the instrument", compensating for its minimal resources with yodel-likehăulit?
ALT4: ... that the Pygmy whistlehindewhu is played almost exactly like the archaic Romanianfluierfifă — and thatHerbie Hancock recreated its sound using empty beer bottles in his 1973 version of "Watermelon Man"?
Source: Fifă [dudina, suieras]. End-blown notched flute of Romania. It is made from a hollow hemlock or lovage stalk, a handbreadth long, stopped with a node at the lower end... The fifa can produce only one note, and is blown mostly by women. Its intermittent note is a sound axis around which the performer’s voice ‘embroiders’ a rudimentary melody using a yodel-like vocal technique (hăulit)...
Libin, Laurence, ed. (2014). The Grove Dictionary of Musical Instruments. Vol. 2 (2 ed.). New York: Oxford University Press, p. 278
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Created byIurii.s (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
First of all, allow me to congratulate our new colleagueIurii.s for what emerges as a remarkably well written, and thoroughly engaging, series about Romanian-areal folk music. This is a new, long, thorough, well researched and plagiarism-free article; the only drawback is perhaps that the lead does not summarize the article content, but that is obviously not a DYK requirement. User is, as mentioned, new, and QPQ is not required. That said: I should point out that the hook is not verified by the source, nor is it apparently mentioned in the article. Unless there is some arcane terminology that eludes me (and would elude most readers), "to flirt" would indicate that women actually personify the hills and act out as if they were singing to romantic partners. Is there any other way to phrase this?Dahn (talk)07:38, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the positive feedback and the kind words! I really appreciate it. And you're right, the hook needs improvement. I've added ALT1 version. -Iurii.s (talk)10:36, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The ALT is certainly an improvement, but the word "embroiders" would need to also appear in the article. What is more: the cited source is only cited once in the article, and not for the fact in the hook (!). Please note that the hook needs to be based on something actually found in the article -- you can easily solve this by adding it to the article, with the corresponding citation. Once that is fixed, please note: the ALT is a bit on the wordy side, and loses focus. I will suggest a punchier wording once you will have addressed the query above.Dahn (talk)22:10, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Iurii.s: I am not sure if the added ALTs are admitting that the original hook is unusable. On the other hand, I see additional potential issues with them. For instance, you render "extension of the instrument" as a quote, but is not a visible quote in the article -- it is not clear if you're attributing it to the source or if you're paraphrasing the source. If the former, the quote would need be, quote marks and all, in the article as well; if the latter, you do not need quote marks here. The same goes for the "zigzag" ALT. I also have to wonder about the hindewhu paragraph and the ALT based on it: does the source you used ever mention fifăs, by name or by description? Because the phrasing seems to suggest that some original research went into that, as perWP:SYNTH.Dahn (talk)13:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Indonesian ambassadorNiniek Kun Naryatie was able to catch up with her higher education studies due to the introduction of the semester system?Source: "Pramugari: Seragam Keren dan ke Luar Negeri". Alumni. No. 35. 2021. pp. 34–35. Retrieved 27 October 2025. "Di jurusan Komunikasi, sempat minder, banyak teman cantik cantik, sementara saya tomboy, hahaha.” Sempat down, gagal ke tingkat dua, tidak lulus satu mata kuliah. Keadaan ini disikapi dengan pikiran, positip. “Kegiatan saya banyak di luar kampus, kursus sekretaris, kerja paruh waktu sebagai tenaga admin di lembaga pendidikan. Ketika mulai ada sistem semesteran, saya bisa menyusul teman-teman seangkatan.”" [In the Communications department, I felt insecure. There were so many beautiful friends, while I was a tomboy, hahaha." I was down for a while, failing to make it to the second year, failing one course. I responded to this situation with a positive mindset. "I had a lot of activities outside of campus, taking secretarial courses, working part-time as an admin at an educational institution. When the semester system started, I was able to catch up with my classmates."]
ALT1: ... that Indonesian ambassadorNiniek Kun Naryatie initially wanted to resign as a diplomat after giving birth to her first child, but was convinced not to by her husband?Source: "Pramugari: Seragam Keren dan ke Luar Negeri". Alumni. No. 35. 2021. pp. 34–35. Retrieved 27 October 2025. "Setelah penugasan saya ambil cuti di luar tanggungan selama dua tahun. Cuti ini sangat penting dalam menentukan perjalanan karir saya. Saya bisa membangun fondasi rumah tangga lebih kokoh, menjalani peran istri sekaligus ibu. Saya sempat berencana mundur dari Deplu, tapi suami mengingatkan, status diplomat bukan hanya milik saya tapi juga kebanggaan orangtua, dan negara yang sudah berinvestasi besar. Jadi harus diteruskan." [After my assignment, I took two years of unpaid leave. This leave was crucial in determining my career path. I was able to build a stronger foundation for my family, fulfilling my roles as both wife and mother. I considered resigning from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but my husband reminded me that being a diplomat wasn't just mine, but also a source of pride for my parents and the country that had invested so much. So, I had to continue.]
ALT2: ... that Indonesian diplomatNiniek Kun Naryatie introduced the diaspora card during her tenure as foreign minister advisor?Source: Sugiarsono, Joko (29 July 2017). "Niniek Kun Naryatie, Staf Ahli Menteri Luar Negeri: "Ke Depan, Kartu Diaspora Akan Lebih Sakti Lagi"". SWA. Retrieved 27 October 2025. "Pada Maret 2016 telah ditunjuk seorang staf ahli menteri yang khusus menangani urusan diaspora. Posisi ini secara resmi disebut Staf Ahli Menteri Luar Negeri Bidang Sosial Budaya dan Pemberdayaan Masyarakat Indonesia di Luar Negeri. Meskipun selevel eselon 1, posisi ini bersifat nonstruktural. Orang yang pertama menduduki posisi ini adalah Niniek Kun Naryatie, seorang pejabat karier di Kemenlu RI. Produk pertama yang ditelurkan Niniek adalah Kartu Diaspora, yang resminya bernama Kartu Masyarakat Indonesia di Luar Negeri." [In March 2016, an expert staff member was appointed to the minister specifically handle diaspora affairs. This position is officially called the Expert Staff to the Minister of Foreign Affairs for Socio-Cultural Affairs and Empowerment of Indonesian Communities Abroad. Although at echelon 1 level, this position is non-structural. The first person to hold this position was Niniek Kun Naryatie, a career official at the Indonesian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Niniek's first product was the Diaspora Card, officially known as the Indonesian Community Abroad Card.]
... that in the past teenagers in Ukraine would be supplied by their parents with money and food in order to organizeparties, during which sexual contact could also take place?
Source: Sex and People. What was Ukrainians' attitude to eroticism? (in Ukrainian)
Are you sure that this is a 5x expansion? By prose size, it seems to be less than a 4x expansion since when you started editing it recently (1121 B before, 3622 B now). --Metropolitan90(talk)04:11, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are large portions of this article that lack citations. Compliance withWP:V is a base requirement to run at DYK, so citations for every statement (at least at the end of every paragraph) are required. Otherwise, I think we could see this article promoted to run at DYK. ~Pbritti (talk)14:52, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good overall. Both 5x expansion and GA promotion qualify it. No QPQs needed. Image is PD. Solid sourcing throughout. I've changed it from "whiskey" to "whisky" in the hook. Hook is well-supported.
I just had one issue with the average age mentioned in the article (368), which, unlike the maximum age, I could not locate in the cited source. --Երևանցիtalk17:49, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yerevantsi in the ref, currently ref 9, "Longevity of tall tree species in temperate forests of the northern Japanese Archipelago", go to the ref and find this sentence, "Age information for all tree species is provided in Table 1." Click on Table 1, and you get a popup with this info.MisawaSakura (talk)18:15, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@1brianm7 andMisawaSakura: I checked the references and they all seemed to have come from a single press release, apart from the 1991 reference which isn't about the still undiscovered book. I think it is probably worth getting more opinions about whether the article is suitable for the main page atWT:DYK, what do you think? There is a similar discussion about a new TV series atWT:DYK#WP:PROMOTION.TSventon (talk)18:48, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So what? They're still reliable sources and each doesn't include the full story so we need all of them to get as much info as possible on the book. To think that a Dr. Seuss book isn't worthy of DYK for that reason is mind boggling.MisawaSakura (talk)20:10, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TSventon: The AP and UPI are both cited, different wire services, which makes it at least two independent sources, enough underWP:NBOOK, and Seuss is a notable enough figure under NBOOK as well. Now, about the WP:PROMOTION concerns, I don't see any weight in them, especially when it's scheduled about six months prior to its release. I think this article is fine completeness-wise (if that applies, which I would say it doesn't) as the only content that could be added is a reception section, which averages 1.5 sentences in similar books along the lines of "Dr. Seuss wrote this book, it is [insert mildly positive adjective]", possibly with a side of "Dr. Seuss wrote better books". Not exactly article-changing. The hook could possibly be amended to emphasize that its unreleased, but I don't have a problem with the current one (I did it approve it, after all). ALT0a: ... thatan unreleased book by Dr. Seuss was discovered 34 years after his death?1brianm7 (talk)21:58, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@MisawaSakura: I am sorry to disagree with you, disagreements happen on Wikipedia, I hope your mind isn't boggled too much.@1brianm7: I don't think that the article meetsWP:GNG as the articles seem to be based on press releases, but I would agree that a book by Seuss is probably notable under WP:NBOOK. I have noted my concern atWT:DYK, where views are mixed so far. I am not disputing the hook, I think discovering a book implies it is unpublished, if the book had been published in some form you might say discovering a lost book.TSventon (talk)00:38, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can already pre order this book. It's going to happen. Every Seuss book I know of has an article. Seuss is such an important children's author that he has a template with scores of his books. How you can think this (pending) book isn't wiki notable makes no sense to me whatsoever.MisawaSakura (talk)00:52, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That makes even less sense. I don't know why people worry so much stuff like this instead important things like article quality. I am beyond tired of stuff like this happening to me at DYK. Therefore, I'm making this easy. I'm withdrawing all my DYK noms and will never nominate one again. WITHDRAWN.MisawaSakura (talk)01:08, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To answer your question, that is whyWP:SNG exists. GNG is so broad that it is not always obvious if something would be considered notable under it or not. The SNGs aim to solve that: they provide adjusted notability guidelines that are more suited to specific fields. I understand the frustration, but bear in mind that TSventon is actually saying that the bookis notable, so consider it a point in your favor.
The nomination appears to still be salvageable, and the withdrawal request was due to a miscommunication, so it's probably still feasible for this to continue. Regarding the backlog concern, ideally we should be closing the oldest nominations, not the newer ones.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)22:55, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@1brianm7,Kevmin, andNarutolovehinata5: I felt a concern, which was not supported at DYK talk. I suggest that 1brianm7 approves
Alt1 ... thata book by Dr. Seuss was recently discovered 34 years after he died?
@1brianm7,TSventon, andNarutolovehinata5: The nominator themself has actively PURPOSLY withdrawn all nominations they made and stated clearly on their talk page they will not be continuing at DYK. We do not get to overrule that simply because we want to. Additionally the ongoing talk page discussions on the project make it abundantly clear that this should be closed in full compliance with the backlog issues.--Kevmin§20:38, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevmin: On the latter, I don’t think the discussion was really oriented to “articles that are fine and hooks that are interesting should be rejected when their was some earlier debate that has since been resolved and they still have a month till timeout”. On the former, I took TSventon’s word. Looking now, the nominator has decided not to participate in DYK, which is unfortunate, but also has said they are completely fine if somebody nominates their pages in turn. That seems to me a decision to not get involved in our bureaucratic processes, and so I’m not quite sure that, their previous withdrawal not withstanding, they would have any issue with this running, since it doesn’t require their involvement at all.1brianm7 (talk)23:20, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
disrespecting a nominator's request to withdraw is not something I'm aware of us ever having done. oppose running this hook, and we should probably resolve this at WT:DYK.theleekycauldron (talk • she/her)04:23, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Please let me know if I should suggest another hook!
Improved to Good Article status byDaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 36 past nominations.
The article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, and there are no copyvio problems detected by Earwig. A spotcheck of the sources doesn't reveal any issues with verifiability or close paraphrasing. ALT0 is the most interesting hook, but I'm wondering if there is a source that verifies this besides Lill's own recollection? I don't see this as an issue for a little personal tidbit like this but just thought I'd ask.QPQ is also still needed.Zeibgeist (talk)00:50, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The interview where he mentions it is in a reliable news source, so I think it's fine; I just wanted to check. Since this is my first formal DYK review, I'm bumping it back for a second opinion, but everything looks good to me!Zeibgeist (talk)19:37, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatPhiladelphia Wings lacrosse playerJake Bergey was drafted by theBoston Blazers before being traded back to the Wings, then was drafted again by Boston, before being traded back again?
Improved to Good Article status byBeanieFan11 (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 431 past nominations.
... that theJack-be-little pumpkin(pictured) can be turned into a serving bowl for soup?
Source: "Because the Jack-be-Little is an attention getter and a conversation piece - particularly if the creative cook serves up the soup in the hollowed out little fruits - people are asking,Where did it come from?"Christian Science Monitor
ALT1: ... that theJack-be-little pumpkin(pictured) only became publicly available in the late 1980s?Source: "...the Jack-be-Little pumpkin, a heavily fluted orange-colored miniature, has taken the country by storm these past two seasons... Ten years ago, an Indiana farmer approached seed producers Bob Nelson and Larry Hollar with a bushel basket filled with miniature pumpkins. If they were prepared to work with the seed somewhat, ``clean it up a bit, as he put it, the company might be able to ``do something with his unusual pumpkins....``We knew the pumpkin would sell, Nelson says, but they had no idea it would take off as it did. Home gardeners and commercial growers alike took to producing the Jack-be-Little....Novelty items have a way of skyrocketing in popularity one year and then falling the next, but the tiny pumpkin seems to be holding on. After four years on the market, seed merchants have already contracted with Hollar and Co. for 70 percent of this past season's record orders. ``That's very high for a novelty, Nelson says."Christian Science Monitor
This article is new enough andjust long enough (1518 characters). No issues with presentability. QPQ is done. I like the first hook -- it's short enough, interesting, and cited to reliable source. Image is clear (Quality Image on Commons) and in the public domain. The article looks neutral and reasonably sourced, but I'm flagging a couple small issues found via spot-check: (1) the line "as serving bowls for pumpkin or vegetable soup" is lifted straight from the source, so that sentence needs better paraphrasing, and (2) the claim that "The pumpkins are mostly used as decoration" comes from a source that's almost forty years old, so I'm wondering if there's a more recent source to confirm that's still true today. Let me know when you've addressed these flagged items. Best,Alanna the Brave (talk)02:03, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that during World War II, fighter pilotRichard A. Peterson(pictured) shot down and killed a parachuting German pilot after the same pilot shot at parachuting American bomber crews?
Improved to Good Article status byToadboy123 (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 67 past nominations.
Hook not cited to a reliable source. If the only source for this is Peterson's recollection, we should attribute the claim to him—but that would make for a too long and awkward hook as written. (t ·c)buidhe04:23, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Buidhe I modified the source and added this source (from the bookFighter Group: The 352nd "Blue-Nosed Bastards" in World War II), which mentions the fact related to the hook. Let me know if its good to go. -Toadboy123 (talk)13:12, 3 November 2025 (UTC).[reply]
@User:Buidhe I tried to find the source but I am unable to do so even though it was cited in attacks on parachutists article. OnlyDiscovery Channel's Wings 1988 episode Target Berlin has Peterson describing the incident. I could cite it using TV episode citation. But if its not possible here is another hook:ALT1 ... that during World War II, fighter pilotRichard A. Peterson(pictured) named hisP-51 fighter aircraft after his wife's letter closing?[24] Let me know if this is good to go as hook. -Toadboy123 (talk)13:13, 4 November 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Here is the problem : you state the original hook as fact, but the only thing that seems to be verifiable is that he said it in an interview. That's an article problem, not just a hook problem. Please avoid citing any sources you have not seen perWP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. (t ·c)buidhe13:37, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Buidhe I understand and I will be careful in future DYKs regarding this rule. As of now, I have introduced an alternate hook (ALT1). Could you check that and see if that is good to go? -Toadboy123 (talk)01:57, 5 November 2025 (UTC).[reply]
The pov issue with the article hasn't been fixed. Furthermore, I am not convinced that the new hook meets dyk requirements given that if you are naming an aircraft it has to be named after something, and younger readers may not know what a "letter closing" even is? (Now marking as failed per the above issues andthis (t ·c)buidhe14:28, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Buidhe How can you just jump and just conclude the hook is 'failed' without letting me give some suggestions to improve it? Regarding aircraft names, its unique and if your concern is how younger readers may not know what a "letter closing" even is?, how about replacing 'letter closing' with 'concluding line in letter'? And also, could you let me know the pov issue in the article that needs to be fixed? -Toadboy123 (talk)13:15, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Peterson attacked the Bf 109 and forced the German pilot to bail out of the aircraft. He shot and killed him as he descended on his parachute" is something we agreed needed to be attributed and cited to a specific timestamp in the video in order to be verifiable.
And that's not even the only pov issue in the article. Sentences like "Peterson had 15.5 air victories and destroyed 3.5 aircraft on the ground" is very problematic when you consider the systematic overcounting of "victories". (t ·c)buidhe14:12, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Buidhe For the documentary I have inserted the time stamp where Peterson describes about the incident, as a form of citation. Regarding the aerial victories part, it has been properly cited using literature and Air Force study on aerial victories. Regarding American flying aces, overcounting is not common as aerial victories are confirmed through thorough analysis of combat footage, wingmen witness reports, etc. Let me know if it good to go now. -Toadboy123 (talk)13:16, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All we can really say is that he said this incident with the German parachutist happened, and that he was officially credited with X number of victories. (t ·c)buidhe23:24, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was clear above about the issues with the article. Please see my comment on 23:24, 13 November 2025 (UTC). If you cannot understand why your sources don't allow you to conclude more than that I don't know what to say. (t ·c)buidhe14:31, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that when he was 12Knowa De Baraso gained national attention when he challengedMike Lindell, regarding their claims about the2020 U.S. presidential election?Source:https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/mike-lindell-dnc-mustache-trump-b2600206.html "In one video, Lindell is seen spouting a number of baseless claims including a false claim that hundreds of thousands of votes were missing in Georgia during the 2020 election. ... When asked for his source, Lindell replied: “Trust me bro.” It was at this moment that the 67-year-old businessman met his match: 12-year-old Democratic influencer Knowa. ... “So your source is, ‘trust me, bro’?” the young content creator quipped in a video posted to his 43,000 X followers.
I'm on the fence about whether a Wikipedia article is appropriate about this child, but I'd point out that he wasn't a "teenager", he was only 12 years old when he asked the question to Lindell. His age seems to be what drew attention to him, so I would suggest is age (at the time) being included in the DYK, rather than "teenager". A 19-year-old teenager involved in politics is nowhere near as unusual as a 12/13 year old.Sionk (talk)13:40, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sionk, I've updated ALT1 per your observation. ATL0 he was 13 by the time that interview occurred, so no need to update that. Regarding your comment about the subject being a child, I was slightly hesitant about approving it atWP:AFC; however, I determined that they metWP:GNG and considered that they have their own social media presence and it looks like they're going to keep at it.TarnishedPathtalk01:47, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A couple of comments: For ALT0, can we find any sources that confirm he went on the campaign trail with Biden and Harris? That would be a stronger claim than that hesaid he had been on the campaign with them. For ALT1, please change "their claims" to "his claims" in reference to Mike Lindell. --Metropolitan90(talk)00:48, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1a ... that when he was 12Knowa De Baraso gained national attention when he challengedMike Lindell, regarding his claims about the2020 U.S. presidential election?Source:https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/mike-lindell-dnc-mustache-trump-b2600206.html "In one video, Lindell is seen spouting a number of baseless claims including a false claim that hundreds of thousands of votes were missing in Georgia during the 2020 election. ... When asked for his source, Lindell replied: “Trust me bro.” It was at this moment that the 67-year-old businessman met his match: 12-year-old Democratic influencer Knowa. ... “So your source is, ‘trust me, bro’?” the young content creator quipped in a video posted to his 43,000 X followers.
@Metropolitan90:, the best I've been able to find is an11alive.com story in which there is a quote:De Baraso has worked with and supported several Democrats at the state level and nationally, including Former President Joe Biden. The teen said he was tapped by Former Vice President Kamala Harris’ team during her 2024 presidential run for outreach to the 18 to 24-year-old voting demographic. In Georgia, De Baraso has worked with heavy hitters like District Attorney Fani Willis, among others.
... thatGOAL includedBea Sprung among the 25 best wonderkids in women's football in 2023, or that she won threeSwedish championships and a cup title as a teenager?
Source: NXGN 2023: The 25 best wonderkids in women's football[26]
(Hon lämnar Skåne bakom sig med tre SM-guld och en cuptitel i bagaget.
She leaves Skåne County behind with three Swedish championships and a cup title.[27]
ALT1: ... thatGOAL includedBea Sprung among the 25 best wonderkids in women's football in 2023, or that she credits hercompetitive swimming background with aiding her development as a footballer?
Source: See first source for ALT0 hook
Vad har simningen gett dig?
– Disciplin skulle jag säga. Du måste pusha dig själv på ett annat sätt, inte riktigt som du gör på fotbollsplanen. Det är mer mängdträning. Men du måste pressa dig själv, och det tror jag har hjälpt mig.
What has swimming given you?
–I would say discipline. You have to push yourself in a different way, not quite like you do on the football pitch. It's a higher training volume. But you need to push yourself and I believe that has helped me.[28]
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Comment: Since this is my first DYK-nomination, any advise/feedback is appreciated.
Created byChili Stampede (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: I just stumbled on this DYK nomination. May I ask why it was withdrawn? This seems to be a good DYK nomination with nothing to disqualify it. If possible, I'd love to review it. —CurryTime7-24 (talk)02:53, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: If it's possible I'd like to "adopt" this nomination, as biography is still within my specialty. I'd like to suggest an ALT:
ALT1: ... thatMorizo Ishidate correctly deduced that the epidemic ofsubacute myelo-optic neuropathy was caused by clioquinol intoxication in 1970, leading to a stop in the drug's use in Japan?Source: Morimoto, Kazushige (2016). "The Heroic and Noble Life of Morizo ISHIDATE Commemorating the 115 years since his birth and 20 years since his death". Yakushigaku Zasshi. 51 (1): 1–4. PMID 30182706; Yuasa, Yo (November 1997). "[Synthesis of promin in Japan and global elimination of Hansen's disease]". Yakushigaku Zasshi. 117 (10–11): 957–62. doi:10.1248/yakushi1947.117.10-11_957. PMID 9414603. Regards,Jeromi Mikhael13:24, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
References
^Yuasa, Y. (November 1997). "[Synthesis of promin in Japan and global elimination of Hansen's disease]".Yakushigaku Zasshi.117 (10–11):957–62.doi:10.1248/yakushi1947.117.10-11_957.PMID9414603.
... thatRachel Walker Revere bribed a British officer to secure a pass for her family to safely escape British-occupied Boston after her husband's "midnight ride"?
Source: "The next letters between Paul and Rachel discuss arrangements for getting the family out of besieged Boston. The British only allowed for people to leave with a pass, and passes were hard to come by....in her letter to Paul dated May 2, 1775, Rachel declares that "capt Irvin says he has not received any letter and I send by this 2 bottles beer and 1 wine for his servant."...clearly, the supply of food became of paramount concern within the city, which allowed Rachel to wield it as a bribe to obtain passes." Jenny Hale Pulsipher. "Rachel Walker Revere: A Revolutionary Woman." The Revere House Gazette, Winter 1997, pg. 6. There are also references to the event in Paul Revere and the World He Lived In by Esther Forbes, and A True Republican by Jayne Triber.
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Article is in good shape and eligible. No evidence of copyvio, and the hook is interesting enough (I might linkmidnight ride though). The source quote seems to confirm the hook, but I'd need to know what this source actually is.Generalissima (talk) (it/she)04:24, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I like ALT0, surprising that any adaptation could happen so fast! One thing about the article itself - does [The New York Times described the series as "a cult hit" and The Verge calling it a "horror classic of the internet".] in the lede need in-line citations? I was under the impression that direct quotations were not covered underMOS:LEADCITE.Zzz plant (talk)23:59, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the main character ofNishino was deliberately designed to be ordinary-looking?Source:[29] (その当時からライトノベルの主人公は、「普通の高校生」や「平凡な容姿」といった表現が行われる一方、いざイラスト化されると、格好よくイケメンに描かれる作品が多いように感じていました。自分はそこに疑問を抱いておりまして、もしも本気でフツメンの主人公にしたら、物語はどのように転がっていくのだろうかと考えたことが、本作を書き始めたきっかけとなります。)
ALT1 ... that in contrast to other Japaneselight novel protagonists, the main character ofNishino was deliberately designed to be ordinary-looking?
@Theleekycauldron: The additional context is probably needed here. The idea is that light novel protagonists are often said to be "plain-looking" or "ordinary", but look handsome when drawn or shown in anime adaptations. The idea for this one was that he actually would look "plain" or "ordinary". There is also the idea that the protagonist wasdeliberately designed/made to be ordinary, not that they just are. I'm not sure how to express either idea better in a hook.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)00:48, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatJohn David Kali, one of Kenya's early freedom fighters, edited the nationalist paper Sauti ya Mwafrika before becoming Kenya’s first Government Chief Whip?
Source: A Path Not Taken (Thurston 2015), pp. 46–47 – confirms his role as last editor of Sauti ya Mwafrika and assistant editor of Sauti ya KANU; Parliament / Embakasi sources – confirm he served as Kenya’s first Government Chief Whip in 1963.
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... that during theYi Peng festival(pictured), releasing a sky lantern is a traditional offering to theCūḷāmaṇi Cetiya, a heavenly stupa believed to enshrine a hair relic of the Buddha?Source:Thailanders, The.The Thailanders issue 9 (in Thai). Favori Media International Co., Ltd. p. 47.
User:TheBestHumanInSiberianFolklore, I have a few questions. One of them concerns the origin of the song. You wrote that it started as a poem, but the OpenDemocracy article says Morozov wrote it as a song. You also say a band member discovered it, but that's not clear to me at all, and that claim (which ends a paragraph) is unsourced. In other words, I'm confused (also) in the relationship between the song and the band--the song is not by the band VIA Kaskad, as the lead says, but by Morozov, unless Morozov is a member of the band, which he is not, judging from the "discover" phrase. Can you clear those things up before I go on?Drmies (talk)22:39, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Drmies, the poem is by Morozov but the song by Kaskad. I had a source for this but someone keeps removing it.It is this article. My edits adding it have been reverted under the grounds that I need a factual source for the claim, but I see no reason why Sputnik is derpactated here. It does not talk about current events. The article cites an interview with Alexander Khaliov, the band's leader at the time. I see no reason why this claim is false and not considered factual. It's not from Sputnik's mouth, it's from Khaliov's. The quote in question (English translation): "'There were credible rumors that the USSR was leaving Afghanistan,' recalls Alexander Khalilov. 'You can't imagine how we longed to go home. Away from the dust, from the potatoes in three litre jars, and from the alcohol infused bread.And one day, I came across a poem, "We are Leaving," written by combat officer Igor Morozov. It took me three tries to set it to music, and the song became an anthem." (emphasis added).
User:TheBestHumanInSiberianFolklore,User:Amigao removed thatfor a reason. I am not going to judge that, not right now, but there's other issues. First of all, the OpenDemocracy source says "Valeri Vostrotin’s 345th Guards Independent Parachute Assault Regiment, which was guarding the pass, is said to have started every day with Morozov’s bitter song ‘We’re Leaving’." Second, the Braithwaite book, on p. 195, says explicitly that "We're Leaving" is one of his songs. I can't tell what the Atlantic article says. In short, we have two reliable sources that call it his song. Whatever the guy in the band says, given these two sources we have no option but to refer to it as his song. Maybe they changed the music, I don't know, and I don't care. The easy solution here is to rewrite the lead, which should be done anyway: it should reflect that Morozov started it either as a poem (your suggestion) or, and this is the solution I would propose, "We're leaving" is a song by Russian blah blah Morozov, later popularized by the band blah blah--along those lines. Thanks,Drmies (talk)22:23, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What about, like "The song was originally a poem, but its exact origin is unclear. Some sources say that Morozov was a member of the band, but an interview with the band's leader at the time says that he discovered the song."TheBestHumanInSiberianFolklore (talk)22:54, 11 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I does say that, on p. 195: "Soon, his songs too were circulating throughout the 40th Army: 'The Return' and 'We're Leaving', about the final departure of the 4oth Army." And the exact origin is not unclear: it's Morozov.Drmies (talk)18:01, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Improved to Good Article status byDaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 38 past nominations.
Overall: Good work on this GA. Article meets all requirements. I removed one quote in the article, please feel free to revert if you disagree. On the first hook – could we possibly add context on how the storyline with his character's partner was a "switch [...] up" with the earlier one ("Last year, it was [...] Dillon trying to save him."), per theDigital Spy source? I feel like the flip in dynamic might be more interesting to general readers.Bridget(talk)20:45, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that at the end of his term, Indonesian ambassador to LibyaRaudin Anwar proposed sending Indonesian nurses to Libyan hospitals, provided security conditions improved?Source: Santi, Natalia (21 November 2017). "Dubes RI: Indonesia Siap Kirim Perawat ke Libya" [Indonesian Ambassador: Indonesia Ready to Send Nurses to Libya]. CNN Indonesia (in Indonesian). Retrieved 9 November 2025.Kami sampaikan pihak Indonesia siap menerima tawaran bagi perawat Indonesia yang bekerja di rumah-rumah sakit di Libya dengan sejumlah persyaratan,” kata Dubes Raudin saat dihubungi CNN Indonesia lewat media sosial WhatsApp, Selasa (21/11). Syarat-syarat tersebut antara lain kondisi Libya telah aman, kontrak kerja yang jelas dengan mencantumkan jam kerja, gaji, akomodasi dan sebagainya. "We convey that Indonesia is ready to accept offers for Indonesian nurses to work in hospitals in Libya, subject to several conditions," Ambassador Raudin said when contacted by CNN Indonesia via WhatsApp on Tuesday (November 21). These conditions include a safe Libya, a clear employment contract outlining working hours, salary, accommodation, and so on."
... thatMao Zedong encouraged GeneralZeng Zesheng(pictured) not to join theChinese Communist Party, believing his non-Party status would help him engage more effectively with Taiwan and international community?
Checked out both hooks with the Chinese sources (Used Google to translate them), but the first hook is much more interesting as one of the new PLA officers who didn't have CCP membership at the time it was being created/established after the civil war. Personally would say this is fine (in good faith on my own)Ominae (talk)03:48, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Japanese photographerKen Domon praised theStanding Statue of Kichijōten(pictured) as the "most perfect depiction of feminine beauty among all of the Buddhist images in Japan"?Source:https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/b10930/"The photographer Domon Ken, who took countless pictures of Buddhist sculptures throughout his illustrious career, was particularly fond of this image of Kisshōten: “This is perhaps the most perfect depiction of feminine beauty among all the Buddhist images in Japan. The relatively small image has a charm and impact that, once seen, are never forgotten.” With good reason, this remarkable sculpture occupies a special position, and is revered as the “peerless beauty” of Japanese religious art."
Comment: I didn't choose this topic--the topic chose me. Certainly the most opportune "animated first by country" I've chanced upon in my WP career--from the moment the Brew first brought it up during its Toronto premiere. This one ticked a lot of boxes as concerns my tastes and interests: feature animation, furry works, LGBTQ+ (as a sympathiser), arthouse fare, and foreign cinema. All of which has led to not only my most ambitious quest for aFour Award,Which could also becomeAFC'sfifth, months from now but also my most ambitious DYK pitch to date--thus concluding Phase 2a of that Four campaign. (So many hook options, so much Google-pinging, so little time.) How much this brings the furry crowd to WP's front page next year--and whether the fine press will take notice--time and the Masters will tell. As always, WP is short on coverage of animated African media, especially in terms of quality. (Caribbean audiovisual content, too--speaking as a Florida-based expatriate--but that's for another thread.) As an editor who has endured for 20 years, anFA may finally be in my sights--and I'll never have to worry about editing again once I get it. After ages of prospects and false starts, it's about time already... With special thanks to AFC approverLuniZunie (talk·contribs).
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Comment: Re-created a long-dormant redirect that now has legacy enough to be an article in its own right, 10x its original size (excluding brief copyright violations). This should be my final free DYK I think?
Converted from a redirect byMFTP Dan (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT2: ... that the gardens aroundthe Cenotaph(pictured) inBulawayo, Zimbabwe, a monument erected after theFirst World War, are a good place in which to relax whilst learning about history?1
... thatOkur-Chung neurodevelopmental syndrome, a genetic disorder affecting about one in 100,000 children, is caused by variants in a single gene, CSNK2A1?
Source: Okur V., Cho M. T., Henderson L., Retterer K., Schneider M., Sattler S., Niyazov D., Azage M., Smith S., Picker J., Lincoln S., Tarnopolsky M., Brady L., Bjornsson H. T., Applegate C., Dameron A., Willaert R., Baskin B., Juusola J., Chung W. K. (2016). De novo mutations in CSNK2A1 are associated with neurodevelopmental abnormalities and dysmorphic features. Human Genetics, 135(7), 699–705.https://doi.org/10.1007/s00439-016-1661-y
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Gillentine MA, Wang T, Eichler EE. Estimating the Prevalence of De Novo Monogenic Neurodevelopmental Disorders from Large Cohort Studies. Biomedicines. 2022 Nov 9;10(11):2865. doi: 10.3390/biomedicines10112865. PMID: 36359385; PMCID: PMC9687899 [prevalence in supplemental files]
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Comment: This article meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria as Okur-Chung neurodevelopmental syndrome is a genetically defined, peer-reviewed, internationally recognized rare disease described in the primary literature in 2016. Since then, it has generated over 40 scientific publications, multi-center research efforts, and substantial clinical relevance. The article is based entirely on reliable secondary and tertiary sources, is neutrally written, and is supported by inline citations throughout. The hook facts are directly cited in the article.
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... that this year marks half a century sinceBrian John Moser, a British documentary filmmaker, made two programmes about Mongolia "On the Edge of the Gobi" and "The City on the Steppes" ?
Source: "Another two made by Moser with the Disappearing World team, on the Khalkha of Mongolia, were screened in 1975, but – at the request of the Mongolian government – not under the series title." (Brian John Moser)
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Created byNm-energy (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: The article is new and long enough (moved from draft on 13 Nov; 9308 characters). QPQs are not required. I can seeWP:CLOP issues where several paragraphs are almost directly lifted from the obituary in "The Times" (Earwig returned 87.4% with "Violation suspected", and my manual check confirmed it). Furthermore, the Youtube links in the "Filmography" section do not satisfyWP:VIDEOREF. Finally, I don't think the hook meets the "Interesting" crtierion. So, there's a lot of issues to fix before this could be eligible for DYK.AmateurHi$torian (talk)17:18, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Improved to Good Article status byTheBritinator (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 20 past nominations.
Other problems: - Article is full of single-sentence paragraphs
Hook eligibility:
Cited: - The source provided is myholidayhappiness.com
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall:@Earth605: New enough, long enough. Neutral in tone. QPQ not required. Presentability is an issue since the article is filled with single-sentence paragraphs. Sourcing is also an issue. Since the lake was built in the early medieval period, and is surrounded by theBadami cave temples, it should have some mention in academic sources.AmateurHi$torian (talk)09:06, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article states, "It is not known how was the lake built". However, thissource states that "Bâdami is situated at the outlet between two rocky hills on its north and south-east sides, a dam to the east of the town between the bases of the hills forming a large tank for the supply of water to the town". So, it's quite clear how the lake was built. -AmateurHi$torian (talk)09:17, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
2. "Some Whispers from Eternity: Book on Evolution of Consciousness and Upliftment of Humanity Through OM Kriya Yoga" by Shomik Chaudhuri.
3. www.sterlingholidays.com
4. www.avathi.com
5. myholidayhappiness.com
Please do familiarize yourself withWP:RS (particularlyWP:SOURCETYPES andWP:RSSELF). Since this article is about a lake built in the 7th century and surrounded by medieval temples, cave temples, and other historic buildings, the best sources for this topic would be published articles/books by historians/archaeologists. Other sources, such as news articles are also acceptable, especially for the part about recent flooding, which wouldn't appear in any history books, for example ("The Hindu" is considered very reliable,The Times of India less so but it depends on context).
The problem with the sources I've mentioned is that anyone can create a blog or write a book. That says nothing for the validity of these sources.
There might be a local folk/mythological belief that this lake is the one mentioned in the Mahabharata, and that it was built byAgastya himself. That can be included in the article. But the problem is, there has to be a source for this. -AmateurHi$torian (talk)11:22, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that a US Navy ship that shot down two enemy aircraft and participated in five battles during World War II later becamea New York City ferryboat?Source: "New York Sightseeing Ships Are All Veterans of Battle". The Hartford Courant. 20 October 1978. p. W29. "'Circle Line X', which had a wartime naval designation of USS LCI L-758, made five landings in the Philippines [...] It was given credit for shooting down two enemy planes and assisting in the downing of several others."
ALT1: ... thata New York City ferryboat shot down two enemy aircraft and participated in five battles during World War II?Source: "New York Sightseeing Ships Are All Veterans of Battle". The Hartford Courant. 20 October 1978. p. W29. "'Circle Line X', which had a wartime naval designation of USS LCI L-758, made five landings in the Philippines [...] It was given credit for shooting down two enemy planes and assisting in the downing of several others."
... that according toBunyan Saptomo, theIndonesian mass killings of 1965–66 is not ahuman rights violation?Source: Kresna, Mawa (6 August 2017). Salam, Fahri (ed.). "Menilik Rekam Jejak 14 Calon Komisioner Komnas HAM" [Examining the Track Record of 14 Candidates for Komnas HAM Commissioner]. Tirto (in Indonesian). Retrieved 19 November 2025.Dari tiga nama ini, Bunyan Saptomo sempat menjadi perhatian saat dialog terbuka pada tahap seleksi. Bunyan mengatakan bahwa hak asasi manusia bukan prinsip dan landasan universal dan kasus pembantaian massal 1965 bukan pelanggaran HAM. [Of the three candidates, Bunyan Saptomo attracted attention during the open dialogue during the selection stage. He stated that human rights are not a universal principle or foundation, and that the 1965 mass killings were not a human rights violation.]
ALT 1...that the iconicChandigarh chair(pictured), mistakenly called 'Jeanneret chairs' by auction houses, was actually designed in a collaborative workshop in India and has no recorded single designer?
We have a whole paragraph with no sources,AlpinistG, and some copy-editing is needed too. This is an unusual subject and I would love to see it on the Main Page. I also think the authorship mystery might make a hookier hook.Surtsicna (talk)23:55, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do not see how/where citation #7 verifies what it is supposed to verify,AlpinistG; #8 does, so #7 can probably be removed. The same problem arises with citation #9, but here we have no back-up source.Surtsicna (talk)22:19, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Y #9 was actually an amalgamation of many scholarly resources in one place, but now i've only picked 2 out of those that are more relevant to the para - hope this helps. Fixed other refs too, thanksAlpinistG (talk)09:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the paintingDarbar of Aurangzeb(pictured) has been described to be "of stunning quality"?Source:Welch, Stuart Cary.Imperial mughal painting. pp. 112–113....the painters realized that he might close the workshops and therefore exceeded themselves in his behalf. For whatever reason, this darbar is of stunning quality. The awesomely dignified emperor...
Comment: Much of the "Description" section is based on a video of the 2021 Ananda Coomaraswamy lecture (by Prof. John Seyller) uploaded on the official YouTube channel of the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. I'm hoping that source is appropriate perWP:VIDEOREF
Created byAmateurHi$torian (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 31 past nominations.
New, sufficiently long, exceptionally well-sourced. I see neither copyright nor neutrality issues. I wonder whether the hook could be about the symbolism in the painting. "Described as" hooks are too common.Surtsicna (talk)07:44, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I like those very much,AmateurHi$torian. I could not quite verify them from the video that serves as the source, however. Azam Shah is discussed around 37:35, but what is said about him does not quite match what the hooks and the article say. The presenter notes that the only figure to display no signs of aging is the emperor himself. I think that would make a good hook too.Surtsicna (talk)20:52, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: Sorry, I now see that I neglected to provide a timestamp. From to 38:08 to 38:23, the professor says "Hence, Azam Shah, the probable patron of this work, is exalted as first in line of succession, ready to take control of the royal falcon from his father". -AmateurHi$torian (talk)21:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the best one so far! How about mentioning that his sons are depicted aging? Perhaps that one of them is already going grey? Sorry for nitpicking,AmateurHi$torian. I like the article and want to get the best hook out of it :)Surtsicna (talk)10:07, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that just beforeBen Cardew published his bookDaft Punk's Discovery: The Future Unfurled on French music duoDaft Punk(pictured), the group disbanded and the publication had to be significantly reworked?
Created byI&I22 (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
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The article is new and long enough. I see no copyright or neutrality issues. The hook itself is interesting. I have to note that the sourcing does not establish notability of the subject: virtually all cited sources areby Cardew rather thanabout Cardew. Interestingly, notability is not among DYK criteria, at least not explicitly, but I nevertheless wonder if the issue could be addressed.Surtsicna (talk)08:53, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer andSurtsicna: So interesting as I have had this discussion with almost every subject that I have put forward. Ben Cardew is a primary source journalist/cultural producer, meaning he is the writer of the media that we cite in Wikipedia. He is mentioned 100s upon 100s of times in Wikipedia, but didn't have a page, so I made one to correct the Wikipedia contexts. He has written and published on every important electronic dance music artist in all the leading pop culture/music media outlets. That must be considerd to be notable. We can lead the way also in Wikipedia to correct the gaps and voids. What to do?I&I22 (talk)
I am followings these stated aims of DYK:To encourage readers to edit articles To present facts about a range of topicsTo highlight the variety of informationTo showcase new articlesTo acknowledge the work that editors do With the aim of encouraging more editors to get involved. They will be inspired to do so when they see topics that resonate with them.I&I22 (talk)
I'm afraid Wikipedia cannotlead the way, ever. Our content must be based on published reliable sources. For Cardew to be notable according to Wikipedia's notability standards, there has to be a significant coverage of him in reliable sources; seeWP:SIGCOV. How much he himself has published is only relevant if we have other sources discussing him and his opus.Surtsicna (talk)12:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer andSurtsicna:Neutrality does not exist and Wikipedia IS leading the way culturally. Is not advocating for open accessible information a way of leading the way? It is only in notability that wikipedia does not lead. Meaning Wikipedia does not decide who and or what is important and merely reflects the culture that is written about. He has been a journalist for over 30 years, written several books about edm icons and is the programming head for a major international music festival. That is notable. He is the writer of the media that we consume.
He is the source and obviously is a behind the scenes modest person or something. Only those who chase accolades as a journalist have things written about them. The journalist's job is to report, not to be reported on. Catch 22 for fame chasing.If he was't notbale he would't have the jobs he has and the famous artists wouldn't bother talking to him. That is the proof of notability. Wikipedia was begun in capitalist times when written media/encyclopedias ruled supreme as reputable holders of knowledge. Unfortunately it has not updated to include more progressive views that include oral cultural history tradtions/sound archives.I&I22 (talk)
@Launchballer andSurtsicna: ok I see the issue, I added in the citations with automatic option and names of journalists and authors were not included in the citations. I have added some of them in including an article from a music lawyer citing Ben Cardew's work, journalists from mulitple media outlets citing Ben Cardew's work including the BBC.I&I22 (talk)
@Surtsicna: I appreciate your viewpoint. And also someone who is consistently a journalist for the top media outlets is by definition a notable person. he is literally mentioned 100s of times and cited in Wikipedia. Much of the edm movement needs to be written in Wikipedia and having dyks with articles that actually interest and thus include ppl who have these interests is a fabulous way to inspire ppl. There are all kinds of ridiculous inconsequential dyks and articles featured daily. This system of choosing is faulty and fickle. Cardew cannot interview the people that he does if he is not notable. It just doesn't make sense this argument. He creates the material that is cited often in Wikipedia. why not try it? what does it matter? It would interest me more than reading about Yeti, silently appropriated folklore in British sci fi for example. Or there are all kinds of less interesting things and that are barely relevant to our current zeitgeist. And yet they are published anyways. Here is an opportunity to include interesting ppl who contribute a lot to contemporary culture, support artists and more. Are the other aims of DYK not also important?
Comment: The source reads "...we ended up in Ayn Warda, an Assyrian village famous for having been a bastion of resistance to the genocide during World War I."
Improved to Good Article status bySurayeproject3 (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Interesting: - I don't think it works to center "famous" in the hook, since many places that were the site of well-known military actions gain interest as a result.
Other problems: - "heroic" fails WP:POV.
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Having written theSayfo article, my eye was caught by "it is one of the only episodes of Assyrian resistance to the genocide". I am not sure it's true. What does the source say exactly?
I have also read elsewhere that the so called "Midyat Rebellion" was an invention of Ottoman officials who imagined that independent resistance efforts were part of a coordinated, seditious conspiracy. But this article posits it as a fact
Page 55 of the cited source saysOnly rarely did this resistance result in an Assyrian victory, such as in the villages of Azakh and Ayn-Wardo.; I have changed the article text to "successful episodes" coinciding. The Midyat Rebellion part is cited to an article by David Gaunt;The events of Midyat have enabled Turkish historians to interpret the meager defense as a rebellion, thus justifying the full severity of its repression by the Ottoman authorities. I cannot access Kaiser's 2014 book anywhere.Surayeproject3 (talk)04:41, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article notes: "Đặc biệt, HanoiKids đã vinh dự đảm nhận đồng hành cùng những đại diện cấp cao như: Thủ tướng Úc – bà Julia Gillard (2010), Nại trưởng Úc - ông Bob Carr (2012), Đại diện Thương mại Hoa Kỳ - ông Ron Kirk (2012), Bộ trưởng Tài chính Hoa Kỳ - ông Jack Lew (2013), Chủ tịch tạm quyền Thượng viện Hoa Kỳ - TNS Patrick Leahy (2014)."
From Google Translate: "In particular, HanoiKids has had the honor of accompanying high-ranking representatives such as: Australian Prime Minister - Ms. Julia Gillard (2010), Australian Secretary of State - Mr. Bob Carr (2012), US Trade Representative - Mr. Ron Kirk (2012), US Secretary of the Treasury - Mr. Jack Lew (2013), President pro tempore of the US Senate - Senator Patrick Leahy (2014)."
The article notes: "a group of ten youngsters met in person to map out a plan for setting up an English club providing free tours to foreign visitors. ... With more than 300 members, it conducts about 170 tours each month, welcoming nearly 400 holidaymakers from around the world. Prominent among the visitors was a group of US servicemen, including US General Herbert Carlisle, Commander of Pacific Air Forces. ... Hanoikids have also had opportunity to accompany many other US politicians, including President Pro Tempore of the US Senate, Patrick Leahy and the US President's Special Assistant, Evan Medeiros."
Based on this page and article, no doubts on the verifiability and interestingness of the hook (though the widespread resistance on superlative-y hook meant that someone after me might request further scrutiny on the fact). Article is long and new enough, cited to reliable sources (sourced to reputable art-related website and news outlets). Article is presentable with a clear structure. Image is presentable at the mainpage in a shrinked size, and is in the public domain since the author has died a long time ago. The nominator has done QPQ. All clear for me. Regards,Jeromi Mikhael13:33, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For whoever looks at this next, here are some additional sources:ABC,BBC,CNN,NBC,Guardian,NYT,
and here's an alternative hook if the original is taken as being too superlative-y:
@TarnishedPath: This is still superlative-y:most. Again, I have no concerns on either ALT0 or ALT1, but rather on the fact that someone else might have the concern. May I suggest some ALTs?
ALT2: ... that the paintingPortrait of Elisabeth Lederer was looted by the Nazis during World War II but survived unscathed despite almost being destroyed by fire?
ALT3: ... that the paintingPortrait of Elisabeth Lederer never satisfied the artist but was taken by the subject's mother before the artist considered the work finished?
I'm interested in this as it showed up at ITN too. The various hook ideas all seem interesting and so I reckon it would be good to combine them. How about:
ALT4: ... that thePortrait of Elisabeth Lederer(pictured) is unfinished but was looted by the Nazis, survived the war and has now sold for over $200 million?
I've added(pictured) as I trust this will be put in a picture hook slot. It's still shorter than the first hook.
@Andrew Davidson: I like the idea of combining some of these ideas because a part of what makes this painting so interesting is its tumultuous history. However, its not accurate to say the painting survived a fire; it rather avoided one.Golem08 (talk)17:37, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I like ALT3 and ALT4. I would suggest a slight variation on ALT4 to be more precise on the amount of the sale.
ALT4a: ... that thePortrait of Elisabeth Lederer(pictured) is unfinished but was looted by the Nazis, survived the war and has now sold at auction for US$236.4 million?
Source: "This hybrid, here named Skimmia x confusa , has been the subject of considerable confusion in gardens, where the identification of skimmias has a long history of problems."
ALT1: ... thatSkimmia × confusa(pictured), a cause of much horticultural confusion, arose as a cross of unknown species at an unknown time in an unknown place?
Overall: Perhaps I'm biased because I don't know a lot about plants, but I don't find either of these hooks particularly interesting, the first one especially being very vague. I think the second one would be better if it was adjusted to be more understandable for a wider audience, as I don't quite understand what it is trying to say personally. Perhaps something along the lines of "the exact origins are unknown", or something to do with is being mislabelled at first? Either way, I highly doubt an article of this size should only cite one source, unless it is really that obscure. I am sceptical to promote this for those two reasons.TheBritinator (talk)13:20, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatFIFA-listed refereeAdonis Carrasco signed up for his basic training as referee without having ever playedfootball and without knowing any rules?
Source: Atthis source in Spanish from a newspaper of theDominican Republic namedListín Diario, Carrasco said the following:(Carrasco) se topó con un reclutamiento para árbitros de fútbol. Sin tener idea del reglamento, sin haber pateado nunca una esférica, levantó la mano: Inscríbeme, que uno no sabe de qué va a vivir |
Translation (by me):(Carrasco) stumbled upon a recruitment for football referees. Wihtout having idea of the rules, without having ever kicked a ball, he raised his hand: Sign me up because one never knows what we are going to live on.
Other problems: - This hook would be appropriate for an article about the campaign, not the song
QPQ: None required.
Overall:@M.Billoo2000: Article is new and long enough. I don't see any issues with sourcing or neutrality. Since the article is about the song and not the campaign, the hook has to be about the song as well. That being said, a campaign to build 141 schools deserves an article of it's own. Maybe the article can be created and some material from the "Influence" section here can be moved there as wellAmateurHi$torian (talk)19:46, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AmateurHi$torian: thank you for commenting. I could not write more than 1500B for separate articles, so I merged them. Further, the political context is added only because the singer had appreciated the unity. I will this weekend what I can do.M.Billoo01:18, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Full review needed.BlueMoonset (talk)14:01, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
on hold while a merge discussion is ongoing.theleekycauldron (talk • she/her)00:23, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the merge discussion will take this beyondtwo months, there does not appear to be a path forward for the nomination at this time. If the article survives its merge discussion, it can be renominated for DYK if it is brought to GA status.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)14:18, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The review of the main source byEsculenta, the GA reviewer, appears to be sufficiently thorough to establish that the article does not suffer from any close paraphrasing issues; Earwig's Copyvio Detector certainly does not detect any.AirshipJungleman29 nominated the article shortly after it was promoted to GA. Both hooks are a bit problematic for me. The main hook is a bit wordy (classification classifies) and it implies that the Baltimore classification is no longer used alongside standard evolutionary taxonomy, a claim which I do not see in the article. The lack of direct quotes from the sources does not help. ALT1 is problematic because the lead paragraph mentions seven groups, not two; and even if these seven groups form two supergroups, the prominent reference to seven groups would almost certainly raise eyebrows. I also suspect that the most interesting hook could be produced fromBaltimore_classification#Evolutionary_origins_and_relations.Surtsicna (talk)12:29, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 approved.TarnishedPathtalk03:30, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Very minor note about the article itself is that I would qualify the statement
Gommeh 📖 🎮15:49, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I already provided the corresponding sources to the tagged statements. Let me know if there are any specific lines you believe still require verification. Thanks. --Jojit (talk)11:10, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
mention me on reply)—TechnoSquirrel69(sigh)06:32, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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