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Successful hooks tend to haveseveral traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for ageneral audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
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Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
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As perMOS:TERRORIST, labels are better avoided unless backed by reliable sources. If such organizations have been specifically designated as "terrorist" globally by many countries (apart from India) and sanctioned as such by the United Nations, it should not be a contentious issue. If precedence might lend support,September 11 attacks does use the term terrorists despite the pageAl-Qaeda describing it as a militant organization (It has been on the front page too multiple times). For now, have modified the term in the body for uniformity.Magentic Manifestations (talk)05:32, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My thinking (being quite unfamiliar with the organisations in question) is thatMOS:TERRORIST states that these terms should only be used whenwidely used by reliable sources to describe the subject. In regards to the specific context of Vardarajan's death, most of the reporting is from Indian news organisations (the BBC News Tamil source is one foreign perspective, but I cannot read Tamil), and my assumption is that, while I have no reason to doubt the reliability of these sources (e:g,The Hindu,India Today), that Indian sources would be more predisposed to describe these groups as terrorists, given their allegiance to Pakistan and the volatility of the Kashmir region. My thinking is that terrorist is too harsh a value judgement (just as "freedom fighter" would be), and that there is not much harm with going with a less loaded term here. Kashmir is a disputed area, after all. I'm sure a Pakistani reading the front page might ask why Varadarajan was in Kashmir in the first place. --LivelyRatification (talk)11:25, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In this context, describing them as terrorists inherently lends itself to saying Varadarajan died fighting terror. This feels wholly inappropriate given he was killed in a disputed area, that is not internationally recognised as being a part of India. We wouldn't say that an Israeli soldier in the West Bank died fighting terrorists, because using that term lends legitimacy to the morality of the cause. --LivelyRatification (talk)00:04, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source:NHK [近くには織田信長、徳川家康などの像も建てられていますが、何者かに壊されたとみられる被害がたびたび発生しています。 There are also statues of Oda Nobunaga, Tokugawa Ieyasu, and others nearby, but they have frequently been damaged and appear to have been vandalized by unknown individuals.]
Overall: Let me review this article. The article is long enough, with a readable prose size of 2,512 characters. All the content in the body of the article is properly sourced. The article does not use a promotional tone, and according toWP:EARWIG, no copyright violations or plagiarism were detected. The hook is look fine, imo and well-cited. I see that the creator has completed the QPQ, so this is good to go.Hteiktinhein (talk)08:56, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey@Miminity: I just read your essay and yeah this seems super annoying that these sites just take down articles after a month! I tried to open the source using the hideproxy link, but it didn't have an archived copy for me. Not sure what the solution is. Maybe you can find another way to link an archived copy? –SquawkGuard (talk)14:30, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey that worked, Thanks!@Miminity: I just added the archive to the page! After reviewing this more closely than drive-by checking the source:
I think the hook needs work cause it reads as if the statues were vandalizedin theSengoku period, but the statues are modern ones of guysfrom that period.
Unfortunately, I am not sure how interesting it is that some statues at a shopping center were vandalized. But another reviewer/promoter can weigh in. I'm just glad I could help out with the source! –SquawkGuard (talk)15:48, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just in time...@SquawkGuard: and@Hteiktinhein:. I think this is interesting enough as it is a bunch of statue by "Japan great heroes" and it keeps on getting vandalized.
@Hteiktinhein: I think the last alt hook is too broad (it's only these few statues). Maybe there is something like 'Three Heroes have been vandalized at a shopping center" I don't have a lot of knowledge on these figures. To me it still reads as shopping mall statutes vandalized, which isn't super interesting to me, but if other people disagree then I say go for it. –SquawkGuard (talk)21:29, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New hooks are needed here. Theoffered source does seem to indicate (via machine translation) thatdamage that seems to have been destroyed by someone is often occurring. However, it doesn't specify how often, and the article provides five instances of vandalism over 10 years, and I can't validate that this really constitutes frequency. Perhaps there are more, in which case please flag those sources.) It also doesn't seem clear from all of the sources that the damage being caused is deliberate vandalism. Finally, it's three statues in a specific spot, not a "bunch" of statues or just statues generally. Other than the hook fact/interest level, all other criteria check out as noted above.@Miminity andHteiktinhein: do you have other hook suggestions?Dclemens1971 (talk)16:49, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Cited at ref 3 in the article: Hippen, Wilfried;Die Tageszeitung, 8 February 2022, p. 24, ISSN 0931-9085. (in German)
ALT1: ... thatHomeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured) never sets out to disprovehomeopathy—yet its practitioners often end up doing it themselves?Source: per source 1 in article: Thiam, Boussa (February 14, 2022). "Die Widersprüche der Koryphäen". Deutschlandfunk Kultur (in German).
ALT2: ... that inHomeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured), whenhomeopaths finish explaining their therapy, few consistent principles remain?Source: per source 1 in article: Thiam, Boussa (February 14, 2022). "Die Widersprüche der Koryphäen". Deutschlandfunk Kultur (in German).
Reviewed:
Comment: Image is licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0 on Commons, free use confirmed.
Created byKAMfakten (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: The article has sentences that are non-neutral. For example,The topic was perfectly suited to the medium of non-confrontational Socratic dialogues expresses in wikivoice what thesource presents as the views of the filmmaker. Unsourced sentences likeEven though Homeopathy Unrefuted? is certainly conceived as a niche product, it's unclear whether it's of more interest to homeopathy's proponents or opponents appear to be original research. Meanwhile, none of the hooks work. ALT0 is not explicitly stated in the article, and the only discussion of the Socratic method is cited to other sources, not the source provided in the nom. Meanwhile, ALT1 and ALT2 are sourced to a Q&A interview with the filmmaker, which is not independent, and thus the hook should be attributed to the filmmaker. However, attributing a rather banal observation about how the film is constructed to the filmmaker makes mostly uninteresting hooks even less interesting. At any rate, the article and the hooks need some work. I'd suggest some new alternatives where the hook matches claims in the article and is sourced to a suitable reliable source.Dclemens1971 (talk)13:28, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, this was helpful! I clarified the source of the first statement and deleted the second one without source. I also checked the article about other non-neutral sentences. If you find more, I will correct them. I refrased the first hook in a way, that it reproduces exactly the wording of the journalist inDie Tageszeitung and offer a second hook that is less literal, but would be more poignated:
ALT4: ... thatHomeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured) only features people who believe in and practice homeopathy, yet the film ends up being more damaging for them than if critics had been included?
Source: Cited at ref 3 in the article: Hippen, Wilfried;Die Tageszeitung, 8 February 2022, p. 24, ISSN 0931-9085. (in German)
ALT5: ... thatHomeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured) interviews only homeopathy believers, yet this alone makes the film more damaging for them than including skeptics?
Source: Cited at ref 3 in the article: Hippen, Wilfried;Die Tageszeitung, 8 February 2022, p. 24, ISSN 0931-9085. (in German)
Neither of these new alternative hooks is neutrally worded. They present the opinion of a single interviewer in wikivoice as a fact. For all I know, not having seen the movie, the film is more damaging to homeopathy than if critics had been included, but that is the opinion of Wilfried Hippen, not something we can state on the Wikipedia homepage as a fact. Normally we'd want to attribute the opinion to the person expressing it, but Hippen appears to benon-notable and has no Wikipedia page, so I'm not sure that saying...did you know that Wilfried Hippen thought this about a movie works at all as a hook. Also, neither of these hooks appears in the article. P.S. Upon second thought, the text in the poster image is not legible, so I've updated the review to account for that. If this is eventually promoted, the image should not be used.Dclemens1971 (talk)20:51, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I see what you mean. So what about hooks based on the films content itself, like:
Comment: A statement like "ends up questioning the method’s credibility" is no interpretation of mine or of a journalist or the filmmaker, but this is, what actually goes on in the film itself.--KAMfakten (talk)20:10, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First, to establish mybona fides on this topic: did you hear the one about the homeopath who forgot to take his medication and died of an overdose? Second: too many of these are formulated as Your Opinion.ALT6 will work.DS (talk)13:48, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KAMfakten: I agree withDragonflySixtyseven that ALTS7-9 do express personal opinions (or present personal opinions in wikivoice). ALT6 is in the article, but it does not comply withWP:DYKHFC's requirement thatThe facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear. Plot summaries are not required to sourced in articles that appear in DYK, but thehook fact is, without any exception for hook facts that appear in plot summaries. The hook would also need to be rephrased as something like thisALT6a: ... thatHomeopathy Unrefuted? featureshomeopaths naming remedies derived from cancer tissue, magnets and even theBerlin Wall? But before anything else can be done, theWP:DYKHFC issue must be addressed.Dclemens1971 (talk)15:49, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In order not to rely solely on the film itself with a time stamp as a source, I have modified the hook to reflect facts that are mentioned in secondary sources:
ALT6b: ... that the documentaryHomeopathy Unrefuted? showshomeopaths suggesting that even a fridge, a camera, or theBerlin Wall could be made into a homeopathic remedy?
Sources: Cited in ref 1: Hoffmann, Werner; Forum für Kritisches Denken, and ref 2: Oßwald, Dieter; Kontext: Wochenzeitung (both in German).
Question: I added these footnotes to the content section of the article to meet DYK requirements. May I remove them again after the DYK review, or should they remain?KAMfakten (talk)21:18, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KAMfakten: The Berlin Wall reference appears to be confirmed only in remarks by the director (that source is a Q&A interview), and I'm reluctant to approve a hook about a movie that's based on claims made by the filmmaker. The refrigerator and camera bits do come from secondary coverage. Is there a third substance you can source from a secondary source for what homeopaths in the movie claim therapies can be made of? On a separate note, the section headings in the summary of the documentary's content are excessive and affect the article's presentability; seeWP:OVERSECTION. I do not believe it's necessary for readers to read single-sentence summaries of each individual "chapter". As for your question, please leave citations in the content section. They should be in the article for readers' benefit if and when this appears on the main page.Dclemens1971 (talk)12:18, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: The Berlin Wall is mentioned by the journalist, and then the director explains why he included it in the film. This should be sufficient as a secondary source. And yes, you're right — I’ve used the flexibility of the Wikipedia Manual of Style in the summary in favor of clarity and orientation, and that was intentional. The subheadings make the text scannable: readers can quickly grasp the structure and choose what to explore in detail. Even short paragraphs deserve their own heading when they cover a distinct topic — this prevents separate ideas from blending into a vague summary. Moreover, the headings exactly match those in the film, and the text’s structure visually mirrors the film’s structure itself. I wouldn’t normally use paragraphs that way in a plot summary, but in this case, it seemed like the right decision.KAMfakten (talk)14:02, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KAMfakten: The interviewer's only mention of the Berlin Wall isDie "Berliner Mauer" wirkt automatisch lächerlich (roughlyThe 'Berlin Wall' automatically seems laughable). That doesn't say that the homeopath brought it up as an example of a homeopathic remedy. The source also doesn't support the text in the article, which names the interviewee who said this when the source doesn't. So this part of the hook still needs to be fixed. AndWP:OVERSECTION is quite clear:Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheadings. The "Content" section of this article is exactly that -- too many subsections that are just a sentence or two. There is no requirement that the content section include subheadings that match the chapters of the documentary, particularly if the summaries of them are so short, and it does seriously interfere with the presentability of the article.Dclemens1971 (talk)01:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New Enough and yep 5x expansion. Long enough (obviously). I think this is neutral. The 28.1% on earwig might be a false positive. The hook is interesting, and in the article. IWP:AGF the source above as for some reason I cannot access wayback machine. QPQ is done. The problem now is: a) there are unferenced statements (and even a citation needed tag) (emphasising that his background combined formal training, military service, and long experience in civil aviation. andand that his work remained a point of contention long after his death.. Pinging@Very Polite Person: for response.Warm Regards,Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs)14:44, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The cite needed was actually added by me when I redid it, as I wasn't sure how to even source that end few bits I inherited on my rebuild (apparently we can't source to IMDB?). The other two trailing lines are gone too--I had initially thought I could RS/V those but it didn't work out. My understanding is we don't need a source for the basic feature appearance noted in the last line as it's apparently well known enough? —Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)14:54, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TarnishedPath: Flight paths first... In hindsight maybe it wasn't super duper obvious... so onBruce Cathie, the Anaheim paper is [4] for source, comes up here:
In 1967, press accounts described him as a "respected amateur mathematician".[4]
and
In 1967, Copley Press in the Anaheim Bulletin reported that several UFO sightings in the area of Hawke's Bay on the North Island appeared to align with his calculations.[4]
For flight paths claim from Anaheim Bulletin, Wed, Dec 06, 1967, Page 42, "Pilot Finds Pattern in UFO Sightings":
Mathematician comes from 2nd column, 2nd-3rd rows.
For the flight bit, it's starting 1st column, "But Bruce Cathe, a 37-year old Fokker Friendship captain..."
We're not saying he can or did do it, but that he proposed it was a valid:
"plotted the positions", "grid of lines which Cathie drew up", "map and grid were drawn up two years before"
Now Column 3: Paragraphs 1-2 get into his approach
Column 4: line of this continues paragraphs 1-3 approaches what he was up to
Column 5: ties it together
The writer was juggling an absolute ton of balls and wrote a bizarrely dense article for something like this. Some of the sentences are doing multiple bits of scaffolding and and lifting. It took me a bit to see it too that way (this is the article that motivated me to save it from AfD; someone put ahuge amount of effort into this 1967 article).
@TarnishedPath: For the nukes, I think I see what I did--I dropped the wrong source link here, and used an adjacent one. I linked what's used here:
In 1968, the New Zealand government engaged Cathie to provide research material related to nuclear testing by France at the island of Moruroa in the Pacific Ocean.[3]
Which is that nuke-related newspapers one from 1978. It's fine for the above, but I needed the one that is [9], for this in the article:
The Royal Aeronautical Society in Auckland invited Cathie to present his claims in 1968.[9] Vice stated that Cathie was invited to join the society's president and secretary at dinner, where they challenged him to demonstrate with his formulas to forecast the date of a French nuclear weapons test.[9] Cathie reportedly predicted 24 August at the event to his hosts based upon his maths at the table, and then on 24 August 1968, France detonated a nuclear weapon in Opération Canopus.[9]
The Oklo natural reactor discovery and the Russian report’s corroboration of the grid would push Cathie to venture to an even more out-there branch of his research—predicting nuclear detonation activity.
Cathie is adamant throughout his work that due to “the relative motions of the atomic particles” nuclear detonations can only be achieved “on, under, or over a specific geometric point related to the Earth’s surface at a specific time.” Cathie maintains that “the relative motions of the Earth and sun, at this instant of time, cause the disruption of the unstable particles of uranium, plutonium, cobalt or whatever unstable matter is used to trigger the explosion.”
In August 1968, he was invited to present his UFO research at the Royal Aeronautical Society in Auckland. The night before his presentation, he joined a dinner with the president and secretary of the society. Late in the evening, the conversation turned to Cathie’s nuclear bomb test theory. Cathie’s dining companions were skeptical of his calculations. As a challenge, they invited him to predict the date of the next French atomic test. Cathie ran the math at the table and predicted the 24th of that month. Sure enough, on August 24th, 1968, the Pacific Carrier Battle Group carried out Opération Canopus, making France the fifth country to test a thermonuclear device.
And I hate that it always feels like it needs to be reiterated to even performative levels, but again, in case: we're not saying he could, we're saying he said he could do all this. —Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)17:20, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Vice stated that Cathie was invited to join the society's president and secretary at dinner, where they challenged him to demonstrate with his formulas to forecast the date of a French nuclear weapons test (from the nuclear test quotes)
and
several UFO sightings in the area of Hawke's Bay on the North Island appeared to align with his calculations (from the UFO quotes).
I'm not seeing that either support the assertion that Cathieproposed ... could be mathematically forecast. With the nuclear stuff it states that he was challenged to forecast the next nuclear test and that he reportedly did. This is not the same as saying thathe proposed that the occurrence of nuclear tests could be mathematically forecast. With the UFO stuff it states that UFO sightings appear to align with his prior calculations. Again, this is not the same as stating thathe proposed that UFO flight paths could be mathematically forecast.TarnishedPathtalk22:26, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:TarnishedPath... how about this? Just using strictly what's in the {{tq}} material here on this DYK page:
This is only a partial review for now: the article was indeed promoted to Good Article status on time so at least that's okay. My main concern is the hook: not only does it not meetWP:DYKINT as being a conservationist being the leader of a conservation group is not surprising or unusual, but it even vaguely sounds promotion. A different hook is needed here: I will do the full review once that is done.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)13:22, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The new hook could use some trimming, and I still have some reservations about it being possibly promotional in tone. Would you be okay with something like:ALT1a ... thatWong Siew Te(pictured) was inspired to start a conservation centre forsun bears after seeing captive ones in poor conditions? Granted, I imagine many become conservationists due to similar experiences, so maybe you can also suggest alternate hooks?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)01:35, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Very Polite Person: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig is clean. Not a DYK issue per se (but I do see you've nominated this for GA, where this will be); the "Lightcraft research..." section needs far fewer subsections, possibly even none. The problem you have is that the hook is only really interesting if you know what lightcraft is and needs more context.--Launchballer22:33, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Makes it more obvious, brings in the class of propulsion it is, gives more for readers, and while lightcraft were under the field propulsion page, I hadn't moved it in reverse (there's a HUGE number of pages I'll need to update downriver of the main FP page, this is one of them.Edit here to tie off the loop onLightcraft. —Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)16:13, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Very Polite Person: ALT3 is slightly better, though would hide 'lightcraft' under 'a type' (a promoter will do that), and I'm not sure if a broad audience would understand 'field propulsion' (though spacecraft and lasers probably takes this overWP:DYKINT). Ctrl+Fing 'field propulsion' shows only the See also section, could you make the prose say the hook exactly?--Launchballer03:56, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: -Ctrl+Fing 'field propulsion' shows only the See also section, could you make the prose say the hook exactly?
I actually got that here the other day...?This edit:
Lightcraft operating with lasers are a form of field propulsion.[10]
Shorter/clearer; gets thesubject, gets in light/spacecraft in one, and then opens the door to all sorts of nerdy related fun stuff on the field propulsion page. "But wait... there's more!" —Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)14:41, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did see you hada nomination for field propulsion. I would personally run them as a double hook, but it's your call. The problem with "This edit" is that you added it to the lightcraft article; it must be in at least one bolded article.--Launchballer16:23, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, ah, I see what I did,it's here now too on Myrabo's. I thought about doubling them up after I had that other double get into the queue, but I thought it would be better to separate them as laser-based systems like this are just one subset of the entire field propulsion domain?
The field propulsion article is rock solid for this and DYK (andway easier to source). Looking more deeply through my notes, I spent more time onfield propulsion (already) than I want to admitas seen here, and that's not getting into the large directories of files/data I have over the past few years...
I think we should go back to the idea of two DYKs. Keep field propulsion as-is and drop it from Myrabo.
There's competing technical and taxonomy arguments (circa 2000-2010 IIRC) that might make it harder to cleanly 1:1 source this without me rooting back into these massive sources... more time than I have time this week. The issue was that different people in different organizations and papers started to classify these things with sometimes overlapping and sometimes slightly drifting terminology. That's what led to me spending a month (at least) on the side trying to pinpoint theactual authoritative voices on it all.
Comment: The hook aims to grab the reader who initially wonders about which constitution was written in 1997 or was extended to include a 42nd article in 1997, and wonders about whether it's the country Georgia or the US state Georgia, and so decides to seek more info by reading either the new article or theGeorgian constitution article.
Created byBoud (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.
Article is new enough and long enough and meets that criteria. However, there are major issues in sourcing with this article which principally relies onWP:PRIMARY sources published by the subject or its affiliates. It is not at all clear that this topic is notable because the sourcing does not demonstrate independent significant coverage to passWP:GNG let alone meet the rigor required atWP:ORG. At the moment, I doubt this would survive anWP:AFD based on the materials used, and for that reason it would likely end up at AFD if we were to put this on the main page (in which case we would have to pull it). Until the article's sourcing is significantly improved withWP:SECONDARY clearly independent materials, I don't think we can run this. Additionally, the hook idea here is somewhat suspect. Intentionally being vague and unclear or misleading has the potential of being challenged (unless we were running this for April Fools). I think at the very least we would need an ALT Hook on hand as a backup in case that happens.4meter4 (talk)21:14, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me to choose an alternative hook. First we need to sort out notability.The relevant notability guideline isWP:NGO and the relevant essay isWP:SBEXTERNAL:... For example, a 2007 story on theBBC News website is more likely to be cited than a 1967 edition of theThai Post orVečernje novosti. ...Notability is more difficult to establish in non-Anglophone topics because of a lack of English sources and difficulty for anglophone participants to findsources in the native language of the topic. A lack of native language editors of the topic only compounds the problems.Looking at WP:NGO alone, criterion 1 is clearlysatisfied: the scope of activities is international: theEuropean Court of Human Rights is a major international institution, and there are plenty ofWP:SECONDARY sources establishing RG's activities in the ECtHR.[1][2][3]Criterion 2 is "significant coverage". TheWP:SECONDARY sources that I've recently added cover RG's interventions in national[4][5][6][7] and international[8] legal/sociopolitical activities/events that are significant to Georgian society; and RG is seen by theCouncil of Europe as notable enough to be harassed by Georgian authorities.[9] It's true that I haven't found any in-depth articles on RG alone, but the activities of RG described by the sources are not just trivial activities of a private business – they are part of a national-level process (openly and publicly) influencing legislation and judicial institutions in Georgian society. The secondary sources clearly establish RG as a notable organisation. Criterion 2 issatisfied.For the additional criteria:Nationally well-known local organizations – national-level media regularly report RG's activities and the national Anti-Corruption Bureau is interested enough in RG to hassle it;Factors that have attracted widespread attention –Devex attests to RG's multi-decade longevity (created 1997) and national uniqueness:Rights Georgia is a sole legal partner of the UNHCR in Georgia and the only organization in Georgia [that] is focused on ....[10] and RG'sCEDAWX and Y v. Georgia case led to a CEDAW committee finding that[broke] new ground by calling on Georgia not only to compensate the victims, but also to instigate widespread reforms aimed at ensuring a zero-tolerance policy towards violence against women. That makes it highly notable nationally, as well as fairly notable internationally - by researchers in UK-based universities.[11]OK now for notability?Boud (talk)18:13, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Boud: In order to evaluate this impartially I had to do aWP:SIRS table analysis, and in doing so I came to the conclusion that this is likely not a notable topic. Rather than conjecture this at DYK (which is not right venue), I took this to the correct venue which is atWP:AFD. If the article survives there, I will put in a request here for a new reviewer as it would be best in that event for a fresh start. I know this was probably not the response you were hoping for, and I am sure this is disappointing/frustrating. Regretably the work you have done isWP:OR and is the type of work that an academic or a journalist should be doing. It is not the type of writing that is permissible here on wikipedia.4meter4 (talk)21:57, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is biased. I think other users probably think the same. And that's not interesting, because it's news that's widely reported around the world.Cassilvwikis (talk)02:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lots of cleaning work still needed.@Piotrus: At least twonon-existent, unarchivedURLs have been found so far. Both seem to correspond to real articles, but if it's an LLM that chooses the URL, then you have to check it; and if it's you that stores the URL for later use a few years later, best that you archive it, and youdo have to check it when you publish the article in Wikipedia. You can't assume that the old URL is still valid. (These are generic "you"s.) DYK reviewers are especially required to check sourcing. With 81 sources, that's a lot of checking that reviewers need to do, and findingany dead-unarchived URLs implies that more than just a quick browse is needed.Boud (talk)18:44, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Plus athird dead URL. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the 81 refs in terms of rapid copyediting, but I havenot checked all of the roughly 60 URLs in text that I've copyedited so far; I've assumed withgood faith that they exist and that the info in the textmatches the content. I've checkedsome.Boud (talk)18:54, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DYKNEWY.WP:DYKLENY.WP:DYKCOMPLETEY.WP:DYKCITE Most seem OK, but as above, I've checked quite a few of the sources, but not all, and there were at leasttwo three dead, unarchived (from a 6 September 2025 new article!) URLs that I've fixed, and there still is one unfixed (handelsblatt).WP:DYKHFC The lead currently has inline refs for arson, GPS jamming andattempted PL railway attacks (infrastructure), but I haven't really tried to check about whetherEuropean officials ... reported all of these.WP:DYKHOOK I don't see the point ofEuropean officials ... reported in the original hook. I don't see much point toALT1 either, since the lead ofhybrid warfare statesThe concept of hybrid warfare has been criticized by a number of academics and practitioners, who say that it is vague and has disputed constitutive elements and historical distortions and in this particular case, Russia is currentlyonly using non-military methods of sabotage in Europe west of the Ukrainian border, so it's semi-hybrid rather than hybrid, which is likely to leave readers even more confused aboutwhat that actually means. I would proposeALT2 (above). Overall, with ALT2, this article is not too far from DYK ready. However, itdoes need someone other than me to do another review, especially in checking (1) (preferably) all of the references, and checking that they are actually used acccurately; and (2) checking if it's justified to remove the{{AI-generated}} template and category. I found afourthdead, unarchived URL. It's not credible to believe that the four URLs became invalid in less than two months. Mainstream news source serverssometimes do server software updates and fail to create redirects for old URLs. But that's once in five years or so, not every month. So overall, this needs another, independent reviewer.Boud (talk)21:52, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article created 7 September. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go.Thriley (talk)19:17, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thriley andGuerreroast: The article doesn't support the claim in ALT0 that Kleberg invented the cattle prod. It saysHe is credited with having invented the cattle prod around 1930, though other versions date to 1917. The source for this claim is theTexas Monthly article, which says nothing about inventing it around 1930 and nothing about earlier versions dating to 1917. Given the failure ofWP:DYKHOOKCITE I am pulling the tick for further refinement. The proposed ALT is not particularly interesting. How is this as another alternative?ALT2: ... thatRobert J. Kleberg III bred the first Americancattle breed atKing Ranch? Sources:Kleberg invented the Santa Gertrudis, the first American cattle breed and the first new breed anywhere in one hundred years (Texas Monthly);Mr. Kleberg (pronounced Clayberg) developed this country's first breed of cattle, the Santa Gertrudis, a cross between the Indian Brahmin and the English shorthorn. (NYTimes);He is credited with developing the first United States breed of beef cattle, the Santa Gertrudis, perfected over thirty years. (TSHA). Those are three robust sources for a "first" claim, which gets extra scrutiny.Dclemens1971 (talk)15:30, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dclemens1971, that was my concern -- that if the article about the breed isn't saying it was the first, are we sure it's the first, even if we're souring it in the bolded article to an RS that is saying that. I wasn't so much worried about the hook being in the non-bolded article, more about hooks saying "first".Valereee (talk)14:27, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatMihoko Ishida became a singer while playing football?
Source:Oricon[歌手活動も行っている異色の現役女子サッカー選手・石田ミホコが、セカンドシングル「one for ALL」を本日22日（水）に発売した。Ishida Mihoko, an active female soccer player who also works as a singer, released her second single, "one for ALL," today, the 22nd (Wednesday).]
Comment: I don't know football, I just expand this for destubbing effort and this was in risk of deletion. I also don't know how to phrase this hooks.this is the permalink before I expand it (243 characters). Special Thanks Svartner for bringing this to me.
5x expanded byMiminity (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 33 past nominations.
Article is long enough (DYKCheck) and sufficiently new at nomination time. Hook source is reliable and backs the hook. I would preferALT1 as being more comprehensive, and I also like the escalation of positions. Sources, including the Japanese sources, in the article are reliable. Article conforms toWP:BLP. However, the football career section isn't very clear. For example, this string of sentences feels clunky: "She then played for Nippon TV Menina. She then played for the team of Musashigaoka College. Due to the school partnership with the Arsenal Ladies in England, and played against them. The club offered to join the team, and in 2003, after she graduated from junior college, she joined the English football club Arsenal Ladies." In addition, the musical career section mentions a retirement, but it should probably specify that it's a retirement from football. I would like to see some editing to make the football section be more clear. Ilikepie2221 (talk)08:47, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4: ... that theRepublican makeup look is believed to result from applyingfoundation too dark for the wearer's skin tone and then blending it with the fingers rather than a brush?Source: All the others.
@Launchballer:Well, since theysaid they "don't have time or energy to fix everything" after removing 6-7K or so, it doesn't look like they have any interest in coming back. and, really, what's the point of going to that length to fix a problem and onlyafterwards leaving a tag describing the problem? I sure wouldn't do that sort of thing ... it's like adding a whole bunch of sources to an article largely lacking in them, and onlythen putting{{refimprove}} on the article or section. At the very least leave something on the talk page about some further changes that might be made on the talk page. As it is it's verydrive-by ... why identify a problem if you're not willing to fix it or even say how?
Given my experience reviewing ANEW reports, I am averse to removing such tags when I am the one who did the most work on the article, but here I am hard put to see any other alternative.
@Bremps: I've thought about that ... but I don't think a merged article is eligible for DYK. And what might you call it?Cosmetic aesthetic of MAGA? I don't think you could use "Trump" in the title because it would be about more than him or his administration. I think, honestly, if someonehad created such an article people would just as readily be suggesting it be split up into something like what we have now.Daniel Case (talk)19:09, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The only reason I haven't reviewed this is because I disagree with the entire premise. "Republican makeup" has been a thing since the 2010s. I first saw it in Southern California Republican culture in 2013 or so. Now, I can't speak to why my opinion differs from those in the article, but obviously this article is arguing that the phenomenon only reached peak meme in 2024, and of course that's true, but the reality is that this whole idea is very old.Kimberly Guilfoyle has been sporting the look since maybe 2011? And thinking about that, my guess is that this whole thing originated with how Fox News hosts used makeup, as that would be the simplest explanation that lines up with the facts.Viriditas (talk)01:17, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see that the article body mentions that this phenomenon is due to older styles of makeup use going back to the 1980s, while others have connected it to the beauty pageant aesthetic, one that Trump was particularly drawn to in the past. If the lead could make it clear that this "look" is not new, but rather the commentary on its use by Trump admin-associated woman is what is new (not in those words, but with that meaning), that would be great. In many ways, the look is consistent with conservatism, since it is reaching back to the 1980s and the women who use it refuse to use newer and more updated styles instead, in this example, as a way to kowtow and curry favor with Trump. I think the article is fairly well written, but seeing the absence of the historical context in the lead bothered me.Viriditas (talk)22:32, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that "Seasons of Change" was written byBlackfeather members, Neale Johns and John Robinson. It was recorded with help from local groupFraternity's John Bisset andBon Scott. Robinson promised Scott that Blackfeather would not release the song as a single. Fraternity issued theirrendition in March 1971 inAdelaide. When it appeared on local charts, label boss, David Sinclair reneged on that promise and released Blackfeather's version as a single in direct competition?
ALT0a: ... that "Seasons of Change" was recorded by Australian bandBlackfeather with help fromFraternity's John Bisset andBon Scott; after Fraternity's version charted inAdelaide, Blackfeather released their rendition as a 1971 single?
Better, although a hook should be one sentence, and brackets aren't allowed (possibly move 1971 to before 'single'). We have a workable hook for this, so full review needed.--Launchballer01:52, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Adequate sourcing: - The sentence "Fraternity recorded their rendition of "Seasons of Change" at the same venue." does not have a citation. Please add a citation
Article created on the same day as nom. Sufficient length. Solid English-language news sources with plenty of supporting Japanese articles. No neutrality issues present.
Article is presentable and well-written. QPQ completed.
For the hook, ALT1 is interesting and supported by the citation here and in the article. However, it needs to be reworded for grammar. I would suggest something like: "...that the solar farms in Kushiro are so expansive that locals refer to them as a 'sea of mega solar farms'?"
... thatsound recordings did not gain federal copyright protection in the United States until 1972?
Source: "Congress brought sound recordings within the scope of federal copyright law for the first time on February 15, 1972." (U.S. Copyright Office report, page 5)
Overall: New AFC draft moved to mainspace within the appropriate time; long enough. Sourcing is missing in at least five separate instances, although this has the appearance of an oversight that can easily be corrected. Earwig is returning some unusual hits, but again, this reads like an oversight; did you forget to use quotes or add sources at the ends of quotes? That's what it looks like to me. The use of quotations in the headings seems to go against the MOS in my mind, although there might be exceptions that I am not familiar with here.@Voorts: I noticed the discussion about the title on the talk page. Has this been addressed or solved?Viriditas (talk)21:47, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Voorts: Thank you. Out of curiosity, have you had a chance to read the article? I read a lot of articles and this one is somewhat strange to me. I don't know if it is because I am personally hostile to legalese or if I am experiencing an intuitive response to something else that my conscious mind can't identify. It would help if someone else takes a look.Viriditas (talk)21:57, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Strong preference for ALT0b, especially since I nominatedBen Roberts-Smith for DYK a few months ago and it was rejected. Refer toTemplate:Did you know nominations/Ben Roberts-Smith. Roberts-Smith's avenues for appeal have now expired with the High Court refusing leave to hear his appeal. I would really appreciate ifBen Roberts-Smith article is bolded in the first hook given I already provided QPQ for it. I'm able to provide additional QPQ if required for a double bolded hook. If consensus to permit ALT0b is not present in the DT:DYK discussion I started then please run hook ALT0a as my preference.
Improved to Good Article status byTarnishedPath (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Fair enough, I must have missed that comment. I'm willing to give McKenzie a full review, but I would first like to ask TarnishedPath: are you open to Roberts-Smith not being a bolded link, or is his article not being bolded non-negotiable?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)18:45, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't that. I've just been busy over the last few days that I haven't had the time to take a good look at this. I also got scared by the fact that the article is semi'd indefinitely, which spooked me a bit. Anyway, the article was indeed a new GA and I did not find any close paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been done. Among the hooks proposed, the "trial of the century" hook is the best option. However, after thinking about this for a bit, I'm leaning more in favor towards not mentioning Roberts-Smith at all in the hook. The focus is supposed to be on McKenzie, and just saying he won the "trial of the century" is enough. Basically, the fact that it was against Roberts-Smith is a less important/essential detail that could easily be deleted. So something like "... that in 2023, Australian lawyerNick McKenzie(pictured) won what was dubbed 'the trial of the century'?" is something I would approve.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)23:15, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I stated above that I was open to the possibility of Roberts-Smith, not being bolded, but I think that any possible other hook would need to be a cracker to be more interesting than the current ALT0b. That McKenzie beat Roberts-Smith is part of what makes it as interesting, not just that it was dubbed the trial of the century.TarnishedPathtalk07:18, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is that not all readers know who Roberts-Smith is, so to an uninterested reader who only sees the hook and does not have background knowledge, saying that he beat Roberts-Smithspecifically is the interesting point may not really be the case. Sure, we could include some brief context about Roberts-Smith to make that point clearer, but not only would it make the hook longer, it would re-open a can of worms that was already discussed in the last nomination.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)11:07, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5. Anyone who doesn't know who Roberts-Smith is, is less likely to know who McKenzie is. That's why we run hooks on DYK, to introduce readers to topics and hopefully get views. I went toWT:DYK prior to presenting the double hook in this nomination and even edited it to remove—what some thought were—extraneous words and obtained consensus to runthe a double hook. I think it is only fair that this nomination be assessed on that consensus. Do I need to request a new reviewer?TarnishedPathtalk11:29, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thinking about this, it might for the best to have an uninvolved editor (i.e. someone who wasn't involved in the WT:DYK discussion, meaning neither I nor Launchabller) make the final decision. Personally, I still do not think that Roberts-Smith's name is essential to the hook fact as I think that the "trial of the century" fact is the main hook fact, but if an uninvolved editor approves the hook I will no longer object.
In the interest of compromise, given that there was consensus for a one-time IAR exemption, and how ALT4 mostly solves my original "non-essential" issue, I'd be okay with some variant of ALT4. The issue is that ALT4's wording is a bit awkward at the moment and doesn't flow as well as it should given that it is like McKenzie's name was tacked onto the hook. Maybe it could be reworded further to make McKenzie's mention feel more natural?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)02:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5, here's a couple of variations. The first is just a reordering/rewording of ALT4 and the second removes any mention of murder in the case ofWP:DYKHOOKBLP/WP:BLP concerns. There really shouldn't be any concerns given that this has now been to the high court of Australia and it is a heavy focus of the article, but I'll present the hook in the interest of moving this forward.
I'd be okay with either. I'm not really sure if we need to link to Besanko or to substantial truth (I'm more of a link minimalist when it comes to hooks), but that will be up for the promoter and reviewer to decide.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)04:09, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, but you may need to ask for consensus at WT:DYK for that considering the backlash against "first" hooks. In case, for whatever reason, the "first" hook cannot run as is, can you propose alternatives?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)10:34, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5 Just a gentle reminder to avoidWP:INSTRUCTIONCREEP. We shouldn't be asking editors to jump through extra hoops not outlined atWP:DYKCRIT or assertingWP:CONSENSUS on topics that haven't had a formal discussion / policy or guideline based outcome. To my knowledge we have not prohibited "first hooks", and have never discussed this topic in isolation. At best, we have only had discussions on individual problematic first hooks. The issue with extrapolating wider consensus from those is they are biased in a certain direction because they are in the context of a problematic hook proposal. I personally would be vehemently opposed to a blanket ban as there are many instances where a first achievement is well documented and widely agreed upon across many reliable sources. I don't think you are going to find wide support on a topic ban of this type at DYK, or support for needing to take these types of hooks outside of the hands of the individual reviewer. You probably would get support for a "use with caution" recommendation and requiring multiple pieces of evidence for such hooks. That would seem reasonable. In this case this hook fits the multiple sources criteria for verification as suggested byWP:Verifiability. Best.4meter4 (talk)14:28, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article was 5x expanded in the window, but also reached GA status after the nomination was made so double qualifies. QPQ has been done. No policy errors such as copyright violations detected. The concerns over general first hook issues are completely unwarranted in this case given the number and quality of reliable sources verifying the hook fact. Further, I question whether Narutolovehinata5 has correctly taken the temperature on this issue at DYK. We've run first hooks successfully in the past, and will continue to do so. They can and should be challenged when appropriate, but this doesn't appear to be one of those cases. No further hook proposals are needed.4meter4 (talk)14:09, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Normally, I wouldn't ask for this, butthe relevant discussion at WT:DYK hasn't exactly had a positive response to "first" hooks so far, so it may be a good idea to hold on approving ALT0 for now. It can be approved once the discussion has run its course, a different editor takes a look at this, or if safer options are proposed.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)20:08, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What does "first Haitian" mean here? First with Haitian citizenship? First one identifying as Haitian? First ethnic Haitian? It would be good to clarify what is being claimed. —Kusma (talk)07:18, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure of his citizenship, but he was the first ethnic Haitian. I've thoroughly searched and haven't been able to find any challengers to any of his "first" titles.BeanieFan11 (talk)18:06, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion about "firsts" appears to have gone nowhere, but regardless, the hook may need to be revised to say "ethnic Haitian" because just saying "Haitian" is too vague. Although the discussion seems to be leaning towards allowing first hooks (i.e. the status quo), it would still be good to propose one or two non-"first" hooks if possible, although the "first" hook would remain the primary option.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)11:36, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would say the discussion has gone somewhere. At the moment, consensus appears to definitively rebuke those arguing that first hooks aren't usable or that there is some sort of community supported reason to not use "first hooks" when they are verifiable. It has also reaffirmed that first hooks should follow current guidelines that are already in place, and should not be treated differently than other noms at review. The premise behind holding up this review doesn't appear to have community backing, nor does the repeating demand for alternate hook proposals. We shouldn't be requiring alt hooks when they aren't necessary (and one isn't in this case). That said, tweaking of the language does seem appropriate for clarity sake.4meter4 (talk)20:25, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The comment about asking for alternative hooks was meant for BeanieFan. The main reason for it was mainly in the off chance that the hook somehow turned out to be false and we have a replacement ready to go. We saw this happen with the "first Bermudian MLB" hook which, despite multiple sources being used to confirm the hook including the MLB itself, turned out to be inaccurate.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)23:12, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Him being the first Haitian NFL player is by far the most interesting hook. One could possibly have something like "... that Jocelyn Borgella is of Haitian descent, was born in The Bahamas, and played professional football in the United States, Canada and Scotland?" but that's not as good. I've already extensively searched for any other possible Haitian NFL players preceding him and could not find any. This worrying over someone possibly coming before him is excessive, particularly over a dozen reliable sources have confirmed this fact in three different decades and many of said sources have written storieson the very topic of him being the first – and no one has been able to find any possible challengers to his "first" title.BeanieFan11 (talk)23:39, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, you really just can't blame DYK for giving this extra scrutiny considering previous experiences. "First" hooks are definitely possible, it's just that we've had enough bad experiences with them that people can't help but be skeptical sometimes.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)00:22, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New enough, long enough, boldlinked articles are presentable, hook is short ennough but not terribly interesting, QPQ is done. How would this work?
ALT2: ... thatPedro Berroeta Morales, a diplomat and later president of a Venezuelan television channel, has also written fiction and essays ranging from science to esotericism?García Castro, Álvaro A. (2002). Pedro Berroeta. Caracas: Fundación Empresas Polar. Retrieved 13 September 2025.
@Maximilian775: you cannot approve an alternative hook that you proposed yourself. A review by an uninvolved editor is necessary. Maximilian775 and@Piotrus:, I agree that ALT0 is uninteresting, but I like ALT2. However, thesource in the article for the claim is not available without an Academia account. PerWP:DYKHOOKCITE, can you provide a quotation (and translation) from the source material that verifies the hook fact in ALT2? Thanks! (PS I also made cosmetic adjustments to ALT2.)Dclemens1971 (talk)16:20, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that at the same time he played in the NFL,Red Seidelson(pictured) worked as a dentist?Source: same
ALT2: ... that NFL playerRed Seidelson(pictured) reportedly had such a reputation as a fighter that police officers sometimes asked him to come with them as "insurance" if they expected "any sticky situations"?Source: same
@BeanieFan11 andWikiOriginal-9: Article recently promoted to GA. QPQ good. Earwig checks out. Photo is in the public domain and works well at size.ALT0 is tricky because for someone outside of the US, there's no context for if that's a lot or not.ALT1 andALT2 are interesting, but I have concerns about the reliability of the source jewsinsports.org, which seems to beWP:RS/SPS/WP:SPS. Can alternate sources be found? ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs03:32, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Thank you for a courageous and balanced article about a book which appears to have the same qualities. I have mentioned a few examples below in which the article's existing balance can be strengthened.
Due to the controversial nature of the subject matter, the article must be clear about quotes and sources, so we must keep our distance from sources, and be tougher than usual over minor elements of copyvio. Please put the following phrases in quotation marks, and credit them individually with citations: 1, "personal, historical, philosophical and revolutionary", 2. "against the injustices", 3. "destruction of schools, universities, museums, churches, mosques, and even cemeteries", 4. "do everything in their power to combat". The issue is not primarily about the minor plagiarism here: it's about keeping a professional distance from sources, even though we may share those opinions.
Please check the article carefully for examples of opinions about the book, and make sure that every opinion is openly (i.e. in the body text) credited to the person or publication who/which gave the opinion.Storye book (talk)10:47, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
*Actually I did not write most of it, it was a rescued AFC draft. I went back through and deleted a few sentences that could be constructed as opinion based. I think everything else is clearly attributed.Storye book, thank you for reviewing. (t ·c)buidhe15:22, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: that the 2025 bookThe World After Gaza was deemed both "repugnant" and "monstrous" for being both overly and insufficiently critical of Israel?
Thank you,Buidhe. It looks well-balanced to me, now.Good to go with ALTs 0 and 1. (I have added a suggested ALT0a with the inserted word, "both" for clarity - that can be also used if approved by a third party.).Storye book (talk)15:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
: This book is unique in its kind because it is the first time an Indian has addressed the issues of Israel and Palestine. Why is respecting towp:pov not observed in both the hooks? Why is there an intention to disparage the book when this book has also received positive feedback.GolsaGolsa (talk)07:55, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understood the hooks to be balanced politically, but of course that depends on how one perceives the politics. On this subject, we are never going to be able to convince everybody that everything we write is balanced. Looking at the critics and the book only:
*ALT2 ... that the critic Johny Stanly said that the 2025 book,The World After Gaza, was a compelling examination of the moral failings of a violent past and present. (Source: citation is next to the fact in the article).
FWIW being criticized by "both sides" could be interpreted positively as achieving objectivity and not shying away from inconvenient facts glossed over by partisans. That was why the initial hook was proposed. (t ·c)buidhe12:23, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
^ ALT4 is not appropriate for two reasons. (1) it fails DYK interest requirements, and (b) it could be interpreted as a perception from one political/religious aspect only, which in turn could be interpreted as non-neutral.Storye book (talk)18:36, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The broad definition of field propulsion refers to propulsion systems in which thrust arises from interactions with external fields or ambient media, rather than from the sustained expulsion of onboard reaction mass or reliance on solid chemical fuels.[1]
... thatBijal P. Trivedi wrote a book about howcystic fibrosis went from a "death sentence" of children to a manageable, non-fatal condition due to new drugs that brought “weeping with joy”?
Source: "Science journalist Trivedi debuts with a glowing account of how Boston businessman Joe O’Donnell, after losing a son to cystic fibrosis in 1986, raised hundreds of millions for the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, which pioneered the use of “venture philanthropy” for drug discovery. Trivedi covers low points in O’Donnell’s story (early on, when still struggling to keep his son alive, O’Donnell had “a sick child gasping for breath, a mortgage, no job, no health insurance, and no backup plan”) as well as his triumphs, as he became a powerful businessman and worked with the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation to fund groundbreaking research. Most notably, this included a well-placed investment in Vertex Pharmaceuticals, which in 2012 pioneered the first of several treatments involving drugs matched to patients’ individual gene mutations. Elaborating on the science as well as the business behind the fight against cystic fibrosis, Trivedi captures the emotions of the families, doctors, and scientists involved in the clinical trials and their “weeping with joy” as new drugs are approved, and shows how cystic fibrosis, once a “death sentence,” became, for many, a manageable condition. This is a rewarding and challenging work.""
... that the courtyard ofFort George(pictured) was the site of the 19 October 1983 execution ofMaurice Bishop, prime minister of Grenada?
Source: "When Bishop’s confinement became broadly known, thousands of his ardent supporters marched on his home on 19 October and set him free. Bishop next led the crowd to bloodlessly seize control of Fort Rupert, the island’s military headquarters. Other Grenadian regular Army soldiers loyal to the Coard faction then were dispatched in three armored vehicles to retake the fort and recapture Bishop. Shooting started when the soldiers faced off with Bishop’s supporters at the fort’s entrance. Three soldiers and at least eight civilians were killed in the ensuing melee and panic that also injured about 100 other civilians. The surviving soldiers captured Bishop, three of his ministers, and four other loyal supporters and led them away to a walled courtyard. Shortly after, the eight were executed in cold blood by a firing squad of soldiers who (according to subsequent court testimony) declared they were acting under the orders of the Central Committee" from:Kukielski, Philip G. (1 September 2021)."Secret Mission of Urgent Fury".U.S. Naval Institute.
Oh, yes. I had forgotten about this one. ALTs below:
ALT1: ... the courtyard ofFort George(pictured) was the site of the execution ofMaurice Bishop, prime minister of Grenada?
Source: as above
Fort George
ALT2: ... the 18th-centuryFort George(pictured) in Grenada was renamed after the father of the 20th-century communist prime ministerMaurice Bishop?
Source: "During the Grenada Revolution it was renamed Fort Rupert in honour of revolutionary leader Maurice Bishop’s slain father, Rupert Bishop." from:"The renaming epidemic".The New Today. 29 June 2024. Retrieved18 September 2025.
Comment: I cleared this article in January as none of it was sourced, and promptly forgot I'd done that until a week ago, when ITV uploaded an episode ofThe Price is Right to ITVX for its 70th birthday. I'm not sure what 5x starts from, so I've also nominated this for GA and am happy to go throughWP:GARC if necessary. Also,The X Factor was the most watched UK programme of the 2010s, so I'd expect a broad audience to have heard of it (it's certainly going to mean more than the name alone).
5x expanded byLaunchballer (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 325 past nominations.
Not a review, but while "bombastic" adds flavor to the hook and will probably get it more attention, I'm not sure if it would hold up to scrutiny. For one, it's only one source (The Independent) that calls him as such, so I don't think we can describe him as "bombastic" in Wikivoice. At best, "bombastic" may have to be in quotes (although that may still not be enough for the attribution police); otherwise, his name may have to be spelled out in full instead as the safest option.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)11:10, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatSławomir has been described as the "king" of the fusion genrerock-polo?Source:Pilawski, Patrycjusz (7 January 2018)."OJ UW - rock polo".nowewyrazu.uw.edu.pl.University of Warsaw. Archived fromthe original on 10 August 2020. Retrieved20 September 2025.Gatunek muzyczny łączący elementy rocka i disco polo [...] "Sławomir, król nietypowego nurtu muzycznego, rock-polo, rozgrzał wczoraj nowogrodzką publiczność do czerwoności"
Article does not currently contain the phrase "huge pain in the ass". How about something pertaining to "He often had to take upwards of three showers to fully remove the paint" ?DS (talk)19:00, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Both articles were created on the same UTC day (the book and the author redirect within minutes, and the author page a bit over 16 hours later).
Created byMiraclepine (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. Nominator has 107 past nominations.
... that thegender-flipped story ofWarriors(co-writer pictured) was partly inspired by theGamergate harassment campaign?Source:Associated Press - Miranda:"[Gender swapping the characters] was the coin flip that made me go, “I think I understand how this could be interesting to write.” Around the time I had just gotten out of “Hamilton,” Gamergate was happening online. ... Anonymous online trolls were just like, “I don’t think that women should be in video games. Here’s her f——— home address.” And that kind of act, the chaos of deciding to destabilize someone’s life and then just going back to your computer, the first thing that I thought of was Luther shooting Cyrus, pointing to Warriors and going, “They did it.” And now the Warriors have the rest of the night with every gang thinking they’ve broken the truce and they’re fighting for their lives over the act of one person with a gun. I made that connection and then thought, “Well, if the Warriors are women, how does that change the narrative?” At every point, it complicates it in a really compelling way."
The article notes: "Berry, 53, who lives in San Francisco, said it takes up to two years to complete one of his "Moonlight Cutter" series, which feature vivid swordplay, ghosts, murdering spirits and cursed spears amid the architecture and costumes of 12th century China. He's never been to China but wants to go. On the other hand, he said, "the China I'd like to visit doesn't exist any more.""
The article notes: "Berry was creating graphic comics long before he got into radio. He has been a professional independent comic-book writer/artist since the 1980s while living in Bakersfield. "Ninja Funnies," his first book, sold more than 35,000 copies."
The article notes: "At the same time, Berry was working as a stage hand and doing promotions for the Bakersfield Fox Theatre. And he was a fencing instructor at California State University, Bakersfield. The fencing background helps him create detailed battle sequences for his graphic novel characters."
For me, the article meets the nomination criteria (technically, 7 days and a few hours from creation to nomination, but close enough). It is well-designed and very well-documented. For an image, I would suggest thisDieckmann erich moebelbau 1931, which has been published very frequently, as it is his book. (Onhttps://imjustcreative.com/erich-dieckmann-metal-tube-chair/2019/12/15, for example) and a new beginningErich Dieckmann designed furniture that grew organically and wasn't cobbled together—from an elephant's body, a bay leaf, a spider's leg, if you will. (from his quote) (talk)Birkho (talk)08:20, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Birkho: I'm confused why you have left a review here. Maybe it is different on dewiki, but on enwiki the DYK process only requires a single reviewer, and it's generally best for the reviewer not to be someone who has been a major contributor to the article. I suggest you strike your review (or at least remove the symbol) to avoid confusion.Pi.1415926535 (talk)23:44, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Hello, yes, it's different here on dewiki. You can make suggestions and participate in the discussion, and the best introduction and image will be chosen. One question: Why does the image have licensing issues, given that it's available on Wikipedia Commons? Can I help?— Precedingunsigned comment added byBirkho (talk •contribs)
Article is new enough (technically 7 days and a few hours from creation to nomination, but close enough) and long enough. It is well-sourced, neutral, copyvio-free, and presentable. A new hook is needed (seeWP:HOOK) – the current hook is improperly formatted, does not appear in the article, and is not verified by the given citation. I am also concerned about the image – the source is a non-functional link with no further details, making it impossible to verify that it was actually anonymously published. Either a correct link that verifies the anonymous publication needs to be found, or the image should be removed from this nomination.Pi.1415926535 (talk)00:52, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ariegel: The revised hook is better, but it appears to be a broad summation of the article rather than a specific fact that is included in the article. The claimed source is not used in the article and does not contain any information other than birth/death dates. Additionally, the copyright issue with the image has not been resolved.Pi.1415926535 (talk)23:44, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Hello again, here a new proposal: another picture by Erich Dieckmann; or one of his stylish chairs, which is my recommendation, the photo is public domain. Both pictures are shown in the link, hope this helps. *Light club chair 1926 Erich Dieckmann
And here is a new hook (this is the heart of the matter): Did you know thatErich Dieckmann, one of the most productive and innovative furniture designers of the Bauhaus is almost forgotten today?Ariegel (talk)15:06, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Hi there. I did not use ChatGPT to write the reply or the article, btw I am an expert for the bauhaus movement and don't need AI for this matter :) I did ask ChatGPT if my formating is right, because I messed it up, and Pi.1415926535 did not respond to my call for help but fortunately another experienced Wikipedian (a human) could help me.
@Launchballer: Hi there. I didn't want to interfere with the nomination and wasn't familiar with your rules, butAriegel asked me for support, since we're both working on this Erich Dieckmann project. You've already read that we take a different approach on dewiki. Now the question: why was Ariegel's post considered vandalism? What do you want to delete, and what happens next? Please clear up any misunderstandings. Which hook and which image will be selected, since this is the issue at hand! I kindly ask for your support, and if I can help, please ping me!Birkho (talk)09:08, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "Wikipedia:Did you know nominations/..." page wasn't vandalism, but was a duplicate (nominations belong at "Template:Did you know nominations/...") and was deleted as housekeeping. I will examine the hooks at a later date.--Launchballer00:33, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that many seminaries have replaced the term missiology withintercultural studies to reflect changing approaches to global Christianity?
Source: Kollman, Paul (19 December 2022). "Defining Mission Studies for the Third Millennium of Christianity". In Kirsteen Kim; Alison Fitchett-Climenhaga (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Mission Studies. Oxford Handbooks. Oxford University Press.
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Created byAustiñobobbiño (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that theDelmass cave features a 14-metre-tall (46 ft) stone façade with multiple levels of windows andarrowslits built into the cliffside?Source: Frangieh 2014 & Baroudi 1998
ALT1: ... that local legends claim “bandit-monks” once lived in theDelmass cave, shoeing their horses backwards to mislead pursuers?Source: Baroudi 1998
The article is new enough (promoted to GA on 29 September 2025), is long enough (7154 characters of prose), has no apparent copyright issues (per GA review), and is presentable (per GA review and readthrough). The hook is cited, short enough, and interesting. Looking at the source, I understand that Penaranda didn't ride llamas, that this was a myth started by one old photo of him with a llama, but I don't think it says anything about his enjoyment of riding llamas.Could you reword the hook so it is better supported by the source or come up with an alternative hook? QPQ is done. – Editør (talk)09:28, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Webber, Christopher (2002). The Zarzuela Companion. Maryland: Scarecrow Press, Inc. p. 33. ISBN 0-8108-4447-8.
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Comment: I technically did my first large update to the page 8 days ago, but I did not know of DYK criteria before then and I've been doing a large-scale rewrite of the page over the course of the past week. I still have more I want to do, but for now, I'd like to nominate it for inclusion in DYK while its still somewhat eligible.
5x expanded byThe Robot Parade (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Thank you for submitting this article to DYK. However, it does not seem like a 5x expansion was accomplished within seven days of the nomination, nor has any 5x expansion been done at all. My suggestion would be to nominate the article forgood article status, then to nominate it for DYK again within seven days of this passing. As you are still a relative newcomer to DYK, I suggest that you readthe guidelines once again: if you want to expand an article with the intent of nominating it for DYK, keep the "5x expansion within seven days" rule in mind. I also suggest installing the DYKcheck tool to see if you have been able to do a 5x expansion.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)05:13, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... thatBurger Continental catered political fundraisers, theO. J. Simpson trial, and health department gatherings before it was shut down for health code violations?
@DraconicDark: This article looks to be in mostly very good shape. It was recentlytranslated from theGerman Wikipedia article, which met theirequivalent of a Good Article review. No issues with copyright violations, plagiarism, Original Research, NPOV violations, or other policy concerns that would be a dealbreaker for DYK. This is the editor's first DYK so no review is required for QPQ.I do see several issues for DYK guidelines that are all fixable. First, the article uses a mixture of inline citations andgeneral references.WP:DYKCITE says that body content outside of the lead and other summaries "must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph". So for example, the sectionVindelev Hoard#Discovery is mostly fine, but the source for "The ensemble is of exceptional archaeological importance. No other saucer-sized gold discs like those from Vindelev have been found to date. The craftsmanship of the jewelry also surpasses that of other finds." is currently not cited inline (I assume it is one of the general references at the bottom of the page). To run on DYK, sections like that will need to be followed with an inline citation. The two hook facts "should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear to meetWP:DYKHFC. For example, theplowing citation looks reliable and backs up the hook fact, but it is currently only a general reference and not cited inline. Finally, the hook and article should both match the source regarding the "oldest known reference" to Odin. Right now the article hedges with "may be".So overall this is nearly there and already quite solid. When you're ready for me to take another look, or if you have any questions, feel free to{{ping}} me here.Rjjiii (talk)22:56, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Apologies for the late response, I have had a busy last couple of weeks and haven't had a chance to get to this. I have started working on it now, and should hopefully get it done this week.DraconicDark (talk)16:05, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DraconicDark:ALT1 now has the same citation to verify it here and in the article. I suspect this is the more likely of the two to be promoted as the other is a superlative hook that could be disproven by some earlier artifact. Theoriginal hook can be verified by the source, but if it's chosen, the article should be tweaked to use the same level of certainty in the language. There are still some passages missing an inline citation in the article. Let me know if you need help finding sources, or finding the places that still need citations, or anything like that. After those passages are cited, I'll approve this, and it can be promoted,Rjjiii (talk)06:53, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatCheney Lively was the first Black property owner and permanent resident of Indianapolis, Indiana?
Source: Scott, Kate (2020). "Cheney Lively: A Black Woman on the Indiana Frontier". Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History. Vol. 32, no. 2. pp. 29–37
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Created bySsafder (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
This is not a review, but perWP:DYKHOOKCITE, "first" hooks are now discouraged on DYK unless such claims have airtight sourcing. Right now, the claim that Lively was the first black permanent resident of Indianapolis is unreferenced; however, even if it was, the claim is so exceptional that it is unlikely to gain consensus. Please propose a different hook.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)06:33, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... thatCheney Lively was the only Black female head of household in Indianapolis listed in the 1830 census?
Source: Scott, Kate (2020). "Cheney Lively: A Black Woman on the Indiana Frontier". Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History. Vol. 32, no. 2. pp. 29–37
Source:[7] «En la denominación de la compañía [...] el significado intrínseco de la palabra voltio» El “voltio” es la unidad [...]para medir el potencial eléctrico [...]. Translation: «In the name of the company [...] the intrinsicalmeaning of the word voltio» Thevolt is the unit [...] tomeasure the electric potential.
ALT1: ... thatVoltio(cars pictured) has the biggest car fleet in Spain?Source:[8] Voltio se consolida como el servicio de coche compartido líder en Españaal poseer la mayor flota del país. Voltio consolidates itself as the leader of carsharing in Spain as it hasthe biggest fleet in the country.
ALT2: ... thatVoltio's name derives from an expression that translates to "going for a walk"?Source:[9] [El nombre] se complementa con el significado coloquial 'darse un voltio', salir de algún lugar para dar una vuelta. [The name] complements with the coloquial meaning of 'darse un voltio', meaning to go for a walk.
@Surtsicna: A (rather immature) reference to the concept of "glory hole" jokes[10], I suppose. Why this implies that "Glory Hole Park" is thought to lend itself to an April Fools' Day nomination is beyond me though. @Reviewer (won't be me): I suggest to just ignore this and review it like usual.Renerpho (talk)06:28, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatTess Johnston pioneered the study of the pre-1949 Western architecture ofShanghai?
Source: "Tess, who died this week at 93, had arrived in September 1981 with the U.S. Foreign Service to work at the U.S. Consulate. That wonderful Western architecture would captivate her for the rest of her long life and keep her in Shanghai for 35 years, pioneering the study of Old Shanghai and becoming the expert on the pre-1949 Western presence."ChinaFile
Source:Galbraith, Stuart (2002).The Emperor and the Wolf:The Lives and Films of Akira Kurosawa and Toshiro Mifune. USA: Faber and Faber. p. 473.ISBN0-571-19982-8.
... that South African former political prisoner and reggae musicianJames Mange formed asoccer-themed political party to compete in the country'sfirst democratic election?
... that when advocating for the introduction of dental hygienists to New Zealand,Angela Pack(pictured) called the New Zealand Dental Council Board “lily-livered chickens”?Source: "...older practitioners did not want to delegate periodontal treatment to a hygienist... After huge initial enthusiasm from Board members, the chairman (an older practitioner) tactically deferred the vote on this critically important decision until the very end of a long and tiring meeting. Angela felt the momentum for hygienist training had evaporated. She therefore asked the male Board members “why they were behaving like a load of lily-livered chickens” when they had all been so enthusiastic the previous day"[1]
ALT1: ... that periodontistAngela Pack(pictured) called the New Zealand Dental Council Board “lily-livered chickens”?Source: as above
ALT2: ... thatAngela Pack's(pictured) interview for a lectureship in New Zealand was conducted in a London pub?Source: "Angela applied for a Lectureship in Periodontology at the University of Otago in New Zealand, for which a notice had circulated at RDH. Allowable in those days, her interview was a lunch time chat in a smoke-filled pub with Professor Alister Smilie from Otago University, on sabbatical leave in London."[2]
When faced with the chores of filthy pots and pans, cutlery and crockery, a quick immersion into Bucktooth-infested waters works wonders in getting shot of those ground-in scraps of food, Brillo pad style."
HiQuetzal1964, article is well enough written; cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources for the subject; image is good enough and appropriately licensed; I have a slight concern over the hook as the source prefaces it with "apparently", is there a more robust source that can be used or an alternative hook that can be proposed? I also don't think the article meetsWP:DYKNEW at the moment. Thepre-existing article at 2 June 2025 has 1352 characters, the current article measures, by my count 3,864 characters, still someway off the required 5x expansion. Can it be expanded further? -Dumelow (talk)13:29, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dumelow When I started expanding this article it was almost completely without citations, so arguably it is a completely new article. I would struggle to get it to over 6000KB. I have given a more definite reference to the dish washing.Quetzal1964 (talk)19:09, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
HiQuetzal1964, I sympathise with your position as you have done great work expanding the article and fully citing it. Unfortunately DYK tends to be quite strict over the requirement for 5x expansion (seeWP:5X); the only exception is if the pre-existing content was a copyright violation. You might try asking for a waiver for this article atWikipedia talk:Did you know, but I have never seen one go through -Dumelow (talk)05:54, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not comfortable with asserting that Tilly Norwoodexists, actually. I'm also not comfortable with the article using gendered pronouns for the Tilly construct.DS (talk)19:48, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your discomfort comes without justification and is inconsistent with you using the term "Tilly construct" for a subject you claim doesn't exist. If you're right then what are you talking about? This sentence exists, pictures exist, stories exist, your prejudice exists and line blurring metafictions like Tilly exist.2A02:C7E:205B:3D00:ADF7:E53:C019:2ACB (talk)09:30, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SAG-AFTRA's criticism of the character seems more significant than unnamed "multiple Hollywood actresses". Listing the names of notable actresses could also make it a better hook.FallingGravity01:58, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SAG-AFTRA isn't likely to mean anything to anyone unfamiliar with the industry. Naming the actresses might add interest, but I'm disinclined to go there given what happened atMichelle Pfeiffer (Ethel Cain song). As for the gendered pronouns, I've said my piece at the talk page, in as much that (in my opinion) avoiding their use would be silly.--Launchballer04:56, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We could runALT2: ... that the talk page for Wikipedia's article aboutTilly Norwood(pictured) has been described as "a fascinating window into the semantic debates that our society is facing more broadly" as a result of AI? on 15 January, Wikipedia's 25th. (I'm guessing I can't nominate a talk page and run it as a double nom?)--Launchballer14:42, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(seeing this DYK on the article TP). I do think thatALT1 is very good - this whole area is scary, but that is the point and that hook captures it perfectly.Aszx5000 (talk)11:23, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I strongly object to this item appearing on DYKat all. Documenting the existence of "TillyNorwood.exe", sure. Taking any further steps to promote it in the public consciousness and thereby boost its commercial viability — and don't bullshit yourself, that's exactly what this would be doing — no. Same reason we don't have DYKs on political candidates when they're running for office.DS (talk)15:12, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah,WP:DYKNOT dictates that we must not provide inappropriate advantage for commercial/political causes. It also says "it is fine to cover topics of commercial or politicalinterest". Norwood is not a cause.-Launchballer07:52, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you're convinced that you absolutely must slobber in adulation all over Xicoia/Particle6, fine.ALT1b: that the creation ofTilly Norwood(pictured) has been described as "really, really scary"?
Overall: Well, one day out of the limit doesn't hurt anyone. IMO the age itself is not interesting - however, being the youngest state leader is. Unfortunately that currently has a CN tag in the article.@BeanieFan11: if you can find sourcing that he's the youngest, that would be great - if not, start thinking of new hooks.jolielover♥talk12:52, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: That's pretty interesting! However, "ran for office" being preceded by "head of state" implies he ran for that position when he was a teenager. The source,[11], says that he ran for town council inCity of San Marino. Could we alter the hook to make this more clear?jolielover♥talk13:09, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the "No Toilet, No Bride" campaign encouraged women to demand a toilet as a precondition for marriage?
Source: Stopnitzky, Yaniv (2017-07-01). "No toilet no bride? Intrahousehold bargaining in male-skewed marriage markets in India". Journal of Development Economics. 127: 269–282. doi:10.1016/j.jdeveco.2017.04.003. ISSN 0304-3878.
Source: From the Grammys website: "According to the book Coldplay: Look at the Stars, 'Politik' was heavily inspired by the September 11 attacks."[12]
From the book "Look at the Stars" by Gary Spivack (p. 80): "Many of the new songs, including 'Politik,' were a direct result of the events of 9/11. In interviews, Martin will say 'Politik' is an 'ode' to 9/11 and how life cannot be taken for granted."[13]
ALT1: ... that theColdplay song "Politik" was written on September 11, 2001, and recorded two days later?Source: From the book "Look at the Stars" by Gary Spivack (p. 80): "Martin will say 'Politik' is an 'ode' to 9/11 and how life cannot be taken for granted. 'I wrote the song on 9/11 and we recorded it on 9/13. We were all, like everyone else I suppose, a little confused and frightened.'"[14]
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Comment: One thing I am uncertain about — the article uses DMY dates, so how should dates be formatted in the hook? I assume MDY is fine as that is how 9/11 is known. Also, I should note — for some bizarre reason, the entirety of the book "Look at the Stars" misspells Politik as "Politix." It's unfortunate because, otherwise, the book is incredibly well-researched and features extensive interviews with the band, but I just wanted to flag that as a reviewer may notice as they check the sources. I assume it is some kind of formatting error in the book. I have spelled the song correctly above for the purpose of clarity. Hope that is OK! Finally, I noticed the copyvio score is fairly high but I believe it is a false positive due to the use of quotes... I think that's OK?
Converted from a redirect byVeggiegalaxy (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Interested in a topic that is quite foreign to me: thank you for the article, on fine-looking sources which I have to accept AGF, same for copyvio. Hook: I could approve the proposal if you insist, but would prefer to add something to make obvious that it's about girls (characters). This could be simply a translation of the Japanese phrase, but I trust that you'll find something more clever. I'm particularly intrigued by the "be ambitious" aspect of one title. - Article: I hope you'll find a way to rephrase "It focuses on girls" which I read as aboutreal girls. I also think that "franchises focuses" (second para) is a a mismatch of plural and singular. Otherwise I had no reading problems. --Gerda Arendt (talk)16:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have done some of the changes you suggested to the article. However, I would rather not use "female" or "girls" in the hook as I do not believe that specifying their sex as necessary to the hook fact.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)09:16, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the sourcing, I don't see any mentions atWP:SCHOLARSHIP that says that Bachelor theses are unreliable. I admit that there were too many positive quotes, but as of my comment, I think that these concerns have been dealt with. If on its own the hook does not provide enough context, it could be added that she was also for 28 years, the last Ecuadorian tennis player to qualify for the Olympics (e.g. "...that María Cabrera was the first Ecuadorian table tennis player to participate in the Olympics and became the last to do so until 28 years later?"), since that's pretty much what she's most famous for.Aviationwikiflight (talk)17:59, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
French SS volunteers photographed during a German propaganda campaign.
... that recruitment for theFrench SS Volunteer Assault Brigade was promoted through a Waffen-SS exhibition in Paris that attracted thousands of visitors daily?
Quote (translated from French): "From 1943, another combat unit was looking for French recruits, the Waffen-SS. (…) In January 1944, a photographic exhibition in its glory was held in Paris for ten days. To the great pleasure of the German organisers, around 2,000 people visited it every day."
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Improved to Good Article status byAeengath (talk). Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Taylor Swiftreimagined the fate of Shakespeare's Ophelia by saving her from tragedy, and portraying her in the music video which waspresented theatrically?
... thatdiplomatic relations between Barbados and Indonesia were initiated by ambassadorPriyo Iswanto with the help of Canada's high commissioner to Barbados?Source: Iswanto, Priyo (2023-12-01), Diplomasi Tiga Zaman pengalaman 36 tahun dalam diplomasi bilateral dan multilateral (in Indonesian), UMMPress, ISBN 978-979-796-842-7
Overall:@Jeromi Mikhael: The articles look good, nice work. Do you think you could paste a relevant quote from the book verifying the hook, since I am unable to read it myself? (I think there's a rule now against "AGF" approving hooks.) Thanks,BeanieFan11 (talk)22:50, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: I intentionally did not put the quote since the entire story is quite long. But since you've requested it here's the quote:
"Saya bertugas di Bogota, Kolombia dan mendapatkan tugas untuk melakukan pendekatan kepada Pemerintah Barbados...Duta Besar Marie Legault keluar dari restaurant dan langsung menyapa 'Ambassador, saya sudah mendapat tanggapan dari Perdana Menteri lewat email tadi malam dan disarankan agar kamu menghubungi Menteri Luar Negeri Jeremy Walcott'. Dia pun langsung memberikan nomor kontak pribadi Menlu Jeremy Walcott. Saya melihat peluang untuk membuka hubungan diplomatik antara Indonesia dan Barbados yang akan bermanfaat untuk memajukan kepentingan Indonesia di Barbados dan kawasan Karibia secara keseluruhan...Selang satu minggu, tanggal 18 April 2019, Menlu Jeremy Walcott kembali menulis kepada saya melalui whatsapp 'Excellency Mr. Ambassador, Cabinet approval was obtained last Thursday and now the process will commence – Yang Mulia Pak Dubes, Kabinet telah menyetujui untuk membuka hubungan diplomatik dan prosesnya akan segera dimulai'. Berbekal pesan dari Menlu Jeremy Walcott, saya menyampaikan berita ke Pusat dengan tembusan ke PTRI New York agar hasil komunikasi dengan Menlu Barbados segera mendapatkan tanggapan positif dengan pertimbangan untuk memajukan kepentingan Indonesia yang lebih besar di kawasan Karibia. Akhirnya Pemerintah Indonesia, yang diwakili oleh Duta Besar Dian Triansyah Djani dan Pemerintah Barbados yang diwakili oleh Duta Besar H. Elizabeth Thompson menandatangani Komunike Bersama melalui Perwakilan masing-masing di New York pada tanggal 26 Juni 2019."
which translates to
"I was assigned to Bogota, Colombia and was tasked with approaching the Government of Barbados...Ambassador Marie Legault came out of the restaurant and immediately greeted 'Ambassador, I have received a response from the Prime Minister via email last night and it is recommended that you contact Minister of Foreign Affairs Jeremy Walcott'. She immediately gave me the personal contact number of Minister of Foreign Affairs Jeremy Walcott. I see an opportunity to open diplomatic relations between Indonesia and Barbados which will be beneficial to advance Indonesia's interests in Barbados and the Caribbean region as a whole... One week later, on April 18, 2019, Minister of Foreign Affairs Jeremy Walcott wrote to me again via WhatsApp 'Excellency Mr. Ambassador, Cabinet approval was obtained last Thursday and now the process will commence - Your Excellency Mr. Ambassador, the Cabinet has agreed to open diplomatic relations and the process will begin immediately'. Armed with a message from Minister of Foreign Affairs Jeremy Walcott, I conveyed the news to the Center with a copy to the Indonesian Permanent Representative in New York so that the results of the communication with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Barbados immediately received a positive response with the consideration of advancing Indonesia's greater interests in the Caribbean region. Finally, the Government of Indonesia, represented by Ambassador Dian Triansyah Djani and the Government of Barbados, represented by Ambassador H. Elizabeth Thompson, signed a Joint Communiqué through their respective Representatives in New York on June 26, 2019." Regards,Jeromi Mikhael02:19, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that one study suggests that thebuddy breathing technique needs to be practised twenty times to be reasonably successful?Source:Egstrom, Glen H (1992)."Emergency air sharing"(PDF).South Pacific Underwater Medicine Society Journal.22 (4). Retrieved2013-12-18.
@Pbsouthwood,AirshipJungleman29, andIt is a wonderful world: Article recently brought to GA and in overall good shape. QPQ is good; used on three other noms, but it has four boldlinks. Hooks are interesting and cited appropriately and inline. However, Earwig flags a few sentences:a diver could respond to running out of air at depth,in which the incompetence of one diver can, andsubmersible pressure gauges made reliable air supply monitoring possible and running out of air became less common are all flagged as being exact copies or almost word-for-word. This needs to be resolved, and should be looked into further to see if there are more plagiarism issues. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs03:47, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have rewritten the listed statements and they no longer show up on Earwig. I don't see anything else flagged that appears problematic, but let me know if you find anything else. · · ·Peter Southwood(talk):07:51, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bogazicili: If you have time it would be great if you or any other native speaker could expandtr:Vikipedi:Güvenilir kaynaklar/Mütemadi kaynaklar - I can't speak for the nominator but sometimes it is hard for me to judge the quality of a foreign language source. Having said that I should be able to fix a few of the English language cites - for example I don't know Agenzia Nova but hopefully would be able to find a source I know to be reliable for the minister's statement. Are there claims in the article you find particularly important which are poorly cited?Chidgk1 (talk)12:38, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...thatTzuyang has a stomach size 40% larger than others of her size, helping her to stay slender despite binge eating constantly?Source: "Doctors have revealed that her stomach is 40 per cent larger than the average size for someone of her stature, and even exceeds that of many adult men."SCMP
ALT1 ... thatTzuyang started streaming herself binge-eating online to finance her large appetite?Source: "쯔양은 지난해 한 방송에 출연해 "대학 시절 자취를 하면서 생활비가 부족할 정도로 식비가 나가다 보니까 주변에서 먹방을 해보라고 추천했고 사실 하루 만원만 벌면 좋겠다는 마음으로 시작했다". (Google translation: Tzuyang appeared on a broadcast last year and said, "When I was living alone in college, I had to spend so much money on food that I didn’t even have enough money to live on, so people around me recommended that I try mukbang. I actually started it with the thought that it would be nice to earn just 10,000 won a day,")"Maeil
ALT2 ... thatTzuyang turned tomukbang after struggling to pay for her daily expenses while living alone as a college student?(same source as ALT1)
Reviewed:
Created byRobertsky (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT0 seems medically dubious and doesn't make sense. Having a large stomach would make it possible to eat more at once, but how is it related to calorie expenditure? (t ·c)buidhe19:10, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not only that but it seems like ALT1 may fail verification based on the quote provided, since it says she needed money for living expenses. (t ·c)buidhe22:27, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source:The Television [ja] (link): （『エヴァンゲリオン』の中で）ミサトさんがシンジ君を見守るように、すず子には雀さんを見守っていてほしいですし、私の幼少期から人生にかけて、ずっとそばにいた『セーラームーン』のように、すず子には雀さんのそばにいてほしいなという思いからお願いしました。[Just as Misato (fromEvangelion) watches over Shinji, I wanted Suzuko to watch over Suzume, and just like howSailor Moon was always by my side in my childhood, I wanted Suzuko to be by Suzume's side, so I asked [Kotono Mitsuishi].]
The article notes: "For the best look at the sheep, Nielsen recommends bringing a chair or sitting under a park shelter and waiting quietly. If you’re still enough, they will wander within a few feet of you to munch on grass. Start moving around or edging closer, and they will pull away."
The article notes: "The Boulder City Art Guild hosted Artful Arty’s Kids Drawing Day at Hemenway Park Saturday, as nearly two dozen elementary students came out to learn tips on open air art, with hopes of using bighorn sheep as live models. ... The bighorn sheep usually make their way down out of mountains when the temperatures start hitting 90 degrees, according to Leslie Paige, a naturalist and artist who works for the National Park Service and volunteered to teach the children some techniques for drawing wild animals."
The article notes: "“I’d be opposed to Hemenway Park because of bighorn sheep and with all the softball tournaments that go on down there, especially on Sundays,” added Councilman Matt Fox. “I’d be interested in looking at the skate park.”"
The article notes: "Hemenway Valley Park is a 10-acre park in Boulder City with a playground, horseshoe pits, picnic shelters and two tennis courts. For animal lovers, there’s green grass to sit on while watching desert bighorn sheep graze and lie around."
ALT3: ... thatHemenway Park has both a playground and bighorn sheep?Source: Same sources as ALT1 and ALT2.
I literally just edit conflicted with you while reviewing a DYK hook... and then edit conflicted again to create this nomination. What are the odds? Anyway, I was actually about to suggest this hook:
... thatSidney Gish(pictured) started an internship that involved finding new musicians, the same week thatSpotify featured her as a new musician?
The article is new enough (promoted to GA on 6 October 2025), is long enough (5562 characters), has no copyright problems (per GA review), and is presentable (per GA review and readthrough). The hook is cited in the article, short enough, and interesting. However in the article inThe Boston Globe, it says "Like those influences, Gish is a polymath, having added piano, ukulele, and guitar to a skillset that also boasts what’s called 'perfect pitch,' the ability to recognize and recreate musical notes without reference tones (though she stresses she’s not always completely correct)."So does she really have perfect pitch? Reading the article, I thought that the "Frankensteining" might be used in a hook, but it would have to be done in a manner that doesn't direct people to another article. Both images appear to be properly licensed and are used in the article, I would prefer a photo which shows her eyes, but I think the first one is clearer at a smaller size, so I prefer it. – Editør (talk)09:05, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Lick Creek African American Settlement". www.fs.usda.gov. April 14, 2025. Archived from the original on October 1, 2025. Retrieved 2025-07-09.
ALT1: ... that a graveyard near Paoli, Indiana is the only standing evidence of the integratedLick Creek, Indiana settlement?Source: Robbins, Coy (1994). Forgotten Hoosiers: African Heritage in Orange County, Indiana. Bowie, Maryland: Heritage Books. pg. 28. ISBN 0788400177.
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Moved to mainspace byDeishaJ (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: "Mbuyi Bipungu was born in the Democratic Republic of Congo and served as a Roman Catholic priest before being received into the Anglican Church of the Congo in 2014.... Besides being a francophone, Mbuyi Bipungu is fluent in three Congolese languages (he spoke Lingala as a child at home) and is conversant in Haitian Creole and English."
Comment: The subject is likely to be the newest bishop for the duration of the DYK review/approval process as no elections or consecrations are scheduled in the coming months.
Moved to mainspace byDclemens1971 (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.
Not a full review (not familiar with the sourcing in this area), but Alt0 isn't backed up by the source. YourL1 is a language you acquire, essentially, at a young age - which in Mbuyi Bipungu's case is going to be Lingala and likely French or another Congolese language. YourL2 is, essentially, any language you learn that isn't your native one. (So "did not speak English as his first, second" would visit ERRORS) Sometimes people wrangle out a definition ofthird language acquisition, but when they do it refers to the acquisition of a language by somebody who is already multi-lingual, and it's not exactly always consistent and is pretty much a subsection ofsecond language acquisition. If I had to make up a definition of "fifth language", I'd say people would expect it to be the language that somebody learnt, well, fifth - which the source doesn't back up. (Also, the source doesn't say when he learnt English, so as far as I know it could be his first language, he could just be really bad at it. I mean, I don't think itis given that he grew up in the DRC, but I know plenty of people who are very weak in their L1.)GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋20:50, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that the2025 Australian federal election was the first time since2004 that an Australian Prime Minister had won a second term?Source:https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cevdw14r1mgt "Anthony Albanese's re-election makes him the first Australian prime minister to win back-to-back elections since John Howard in 2004."
This is not a review, but the hook does not appear to meetWP:DYKMAJOR as it seems to focus more onCosi fan tutte (or more specifically a production of it that she directed), rather than Clément herself. Do you have any other hook proposals? I am also askingViriditas or4meter4 for possible alternative hook options here.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)05:17, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't understand. Te freezing of the wedding is not from the opera, but her very personal, unusual way to tell the story, discussed by all critics. Did you read the article? If you can word it better, great. --Gerda Arendt (talk)07:24, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jones said that throughout his long career, Saru was the first role he was ever offered as first choice with no audition.[2] "I have waited, all my life, for the moment to happen, where a big role in a big series was just being offered to me, based on reputation alone, and it was humbling," he said.[2]
A year before the first season of Star Trek: Discovery aired, in November 2016, actor Doug Jones was cast as Saru, an alien known as a Kelpien, a newly created species for the Star Trek universe.[1] Bryan Fuller offered Doug Jones the role of Saru, telling Jones "he was the one the show needed," which made the veteran creature actor feel his career was "back on."[2] Prior to being offered the role of Saru, Jones considered moving away from and winding down his signature prosthetics acting work after decades in the make-up chair.[2]
Improved to Good Article status byVery Polite Person (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.
New enough (created as a draft six days ago; moved two days afterward), long enough (1,600+ words at this writing), and verifiable enough (Inquirer.net is the official site of thePhilippine Daily Inquirer, a national newspaper of record). The two versions of the blurb above are the same (with a couple of contextual differences); leaving it up to the DYK coords to determine which is better.
Earwig reports an 87.6% match from theInquirer source, but the text in question (Roxas' request for clemency) is blockquoted. I may upgrade my rating to{{DYKyes}} once someone else at DYK clears things up.
As a reminder, this is my first QPQ since the start of my self-exile from WP last year, so bear with me here in case I'm not up to par.
Comment:Reviewed by me; nominated for DYK just hours within the 7 day/168 hour window. I requestedMRSC, the GA nom, to provide a quote as the source is paywalled.
Improved to Good Article status byMRSC (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.
Here's a quote from the source "Carlton took up the artistic director post in 1997, during a time of financial difficulty for the venue. As well as being credited with saving it from closure, he was behind the theatre’s readmission into Arts Council England’s national portfolio."MRSC (talk)17:10, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The DYK text should probably say "survived withoutarts council funding" as the local authority (who own the theatre) were still providing funding.MRSC (talk)11:06, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok. I have edited the hook. I didn't think the theatre still had some funding other than from consumers, just not arts council. I also think that 'between 1985 and 2000' sounds better than 'from 1985 to 2000'.JuniperChill (talk)11:36, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatChris Jackson(pictured) called for the establishment of an early access scheme for medicines for cancer patients?Source: "He hit the headlines in 2016 when he wrote an open letter to Pharmac, the government's drug-buying agency, calling for an Early Access to Medicines Scheme, to allow potentially lifesaving treatments to be administered to cancer patients more quickly" From[21]
... that the German "management guru"Reinhard Höhn who from 1956 trained thousands of West German civil servants and CEOs had been a committed Nazi and SS officer?
Source: Johann Chapoutot, Free to Obey How the Nazis Invented Modern Management
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Created byScarp-bolt (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that "Somos Más Americanos" ("We Are More American"), described as an immigrant anthem, was included byRolling Stone in its list of "The 250 Greatest Songs of the 21st Century So Far"?
Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 382: "The spoils from the war were carried along in massive heaps. Of these, those taken from the Temple in Jerusalem were most conspicuous. There was a golden table weighing many talents and also a golden lampstand (menorah), with its seven branches." p. 393: "The panel on the southern side of the Arch of Titus in Rome showing Roman soldiers carrying the spoils from the Jerusalem Temple."
ALT1: ... that the Roman army thatbesieged Jerusalem during theFirst Jewish–Roman war was larger than the force used in theRoman invasion of Britain in 41 CE?Source: "Last Year in Jerusalem: Monuments of the Jewish War in Rome" (2005). In Edmondson, Jonathan; Mason, Steve; Rives, James (eds.). Flavius Josephus and Flavian Rome. Vol. 3. Oxford University Press. pp. 101–128. doi:10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199262120.003.0006. ISBN 978-0-199-26212-0. p. 101: "To put these figures in perspective, the forces committed to the siege were significantly larger than those which had been deployed for the invasion of Britain in 43"
ALT2: ... that thetriumphal procession celebrated byVespasian andTitus after theirconquest of Jerusalem during theFirst Jewish–Roman War is the most fully documented triumph of theImperial period?Source: "Last Year in Jerusalem: Monuments of the Jewish War in Rome" (2005). In Edmondson, Jonathan; Mason, Steve; Rives, James (eds.). Flavius Josephus and Flavian Rome. Vol. 3. Oxford University Press. pp. 101–128. doi:10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199262120.003.0006. ISBN 978-0-199-26212-0. p. 101: "Readers of Josephus' Jewish War will be familiar with the magnificent description in Book 7 of the triumph which Vespasian and Titus celebrated in Rome in 71 CE, a year after the capture of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple. Not all readers, however, will realize that this is the fullest description which survives of any triumph held in the Imperial period."
ALT3: ... that during thesiege of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the future Roman emperorTitus led a reconnaissance mission that almost turned deadly when he narrowly escaped a Jewish ambush?Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 305: "After Titus’s peace offer was left unanswered he took a reconnaissance team of 600 handpicked cavalrymen along the road ... The Jews broke through the cavalry still advancing along the high road and cut Titus and his companions off from the main scouting force ... Wearing neither a helmet nor a breastplate, Titus was fortunate to make it safely, using his sword to protect himself, as a multitude of arrows whistled by. Two of the cavalrymen who rode with him were not so lucky."
ALT4: .. that during thesiege of Jerusalem in theFirst Jewish Revolt, the Romans crucified prisoners in various positions to intimidate the defenders into surrender?Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 327: "Those who were caught and resisted were beaten, tortured, and crucified by the Romans in front of the walls of the city. Five hundred or more perished daily by such executions. Josephus tells us that Titus hoped that the spectacle of these crucifixions might persuade those still within the city to surrender. The soldiers, meanwhile, amused themselves by nailing their victims to crosses in different positions. There were so many victims that the Romans ran out of space to put up the crosses and even crosses to nail prisoners to."
Long enough and recently improved to GA. It's a long article, but as far as I can see it's fully cited: there are a few ancient texts used, but as far as I can tell they're all supported by a reliable secondary source, soWP:PRIMARY does not cause us a problem. QPQ has been started and seems earnest enough to count, even though it's not concluded yet.The hooks are all cited but some are a bit long or otherwise might fall foul ofWP:DYKINT. I thinkALT3 is good to go as is (though perhaps amend "future emperor" for "Roman commander"), andALT4 could be shortened to... that during thesiege of Jerusalem in theFirst Jewish Revolt, the Romans crucified prisoners in various positions to intimidate the defenders into surrender?ALT0 is a little meandering and may not be particularly interesting;ALT1 might pass the bar but requires a bit of contextual knowledge (how many readers will know how big the army that invaded Britain was, or how far apart these events were?); even as a classicist I struggle to get excited aboutALT2.There are a few issues with the media that should have been picked up at GA review:
I cannot find a citation to a reliable source anywhere in the geneaology ofFile:Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE)-en.svg: it would be good to cite something on the Commons page that shows that this isn't completely made up.
I've removed the map from the article. Besides the missing source, it appears inaccurate: the map shows the Third Wall following today's Old City walls, whereas most scholars place the original Third Wall further north, based on excavations north of the Old City. Until a map based on a reliable source is available, I think it would be best to omit it.Mariamnei (talk)16:22, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
File:19 Shrine of the Book 005.jpg seems to be a work of digital reconstruction by a Wikimedian -- what reason do we have to believe it's reliable? Information conveyed in image form is covered byWP:V just as much as text.
OK, that needs to be reflected on the Commons page. Unless Michael Avi-Yonah is the Wikimedian who uploaded the picture, the licence there is at least incomplete.UndercoverClassicistT·C17:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The description has been updated to clarify that this is a photograph of a scale model originally designed by Michael Avi-Yonah. Since the uploader is the photographer, the existing public-domain licence appears to be valid.Mariamnei (talk)20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Italy does not have freedom of panorama, soFile:Arch of Titus Menorah.png needs a tag for the original work. Italian law on publishing images of archaeological remains is complicated and restrictive, but my understanding is that Wikimedia only requires that the remains themselves are old enough to be PD in Italy and the US.
This is not a photo of the original relief, as the Wikimedia Commons caption suggests, but an image of a replica created for theANU – Museum of the Jewish People in Tel Aviv (presumably made with Italian permission). How can we make sure that its use complies with the requirements?Mariamnei (talk)16:22, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At minimum, we need full information about the object on the Commons page, with an explanation of why it's PD (the object as well as the photograph) in both the US and the source country.UndercoverClassicistT·C17:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added more detail to the file page. It now says that this is a photo of a modern replica of the Arch of Titus menorah relief, displayed at the ANU Museum of the Jewish People, and so on. The original relief in Rome is of course ancient and I guess supposed to be public domain everywhere. The replica seems to be a faithful reproduction rather than a creative reinterpretation, so it likely doesn't create new copyright. As for the photo, it was taken by the uploader and released under a free license, so it should be fine under both US and Israeli copyright law.Mariamnei (talk)20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The threshold for creating a new copyrighton the replica (not the original work) is very low indeed --aphotograph of an ancient coin, in the view of the WMF, is eligible for copyright. Electrotypes, casts and so on are always considered a new copyright, as are paintings of paintings (seethis example). Israeli standards are one thing, but everything on Wikipedia needs to be PD in the United States, as that's where the WMF's servers are located.UndercoverClassicistT·C11:31, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a PD tag for the original illumination (early 16th century) and updated the description to make that clearer. The CC0 release from the National Library of Wales already covers the digital image, so I guess this should now be fine, but please let me know if anything still looks incomplete.Mariamnei (talk)20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that for one authordog-walking diaries led toturning right at the spotted dog meetingrushing angels?Source: I'm trying to be a bit cryptic with this one, so the thinking goes that The Common Years was published before the other two works, and that Angels Rush In uses previously published works from both. The evidence is really the publication years and the book titles.
...or the beginning of a new era for bothWP and myAFC prospects? — This contributor,May 31 appeal atWP:RFUD
Returning to DYK--in earnest--well after taking some self-exile from WP in the wake ofMilton's aftermath and concerns over my reviewing style at the time. Took four months to get this finally going (and off anAFC queue that became rather worse for wear in my near-absence), but here we finally are. (Not to mention the throughline of this 1995 title strongly brings another, more recent DYK-to-be to mind--and my own off-WP writing career to date; you'll figure it out after you select "Draft" as a namespace option on my contributions list as of this writing.)
Another G13 appeal, concerning a kidlit title promised on said queue for ages, is on the horizon. Wish me luck till then...
Moved to mainspace bySlgrandson (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.
ALT3 ... that one reason forGaza genocide denial is the belief "that Israel, the state of Holocaust survivors, can never perpetrate genocide"?Source: various, see article
I don't think this is a fair review. The article was written by taking all Google Scholar results I can find that mention the topic, which makes it hard for editorial bias to creep in, and the charge that the entire article is a POVFORK was rejected in the merge discussion. As for ALT3, the quote appears in one of the paywalled sources. (t ·c)buidhe05:08, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge discussion has concluded. The article was kept by default. I do question whether this article is appropriate at all to put in the DYK section, however. DYK jibes best with quantifiable or specific facts such as X species of fish practicing cannibalism or Y person setting a world record. The article in large part is composed of legal scholars expressing their individual opinion, which is not suited forWP:DYK. This is an academically contentious topic and the phrasing of the hooks suggest we are endorsing these specific scholars and their interpretations. I kindly askUser:Buidhe to withdraw this nomination.Bremps...16:52, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure there is much basis for that in the Dyk rules. In any event, some of the hooks are explicitly attributed, which should address any concern about inappropriate wikivoice. (t ·c)buidhe17:08, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that when Alban Berg's unfinished operaLulu was first performed in Switzerland in a completed version in 1979,Glenys Linos portrayed the Countess Geschwitz?Source:[24]
Comment: I am sorry that this nom comes late, because I noticed the creation of this article only today. - Countess Geschwitz is an interesting Lesbian character.
Created byOfficialworks (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 2156 past nominations.
Regrettably, as the article was nominated almost two weeks after creation, it is ineligible for DYK. While we do have a built-in two day extension for DYK nominations, 13 days is generally beyond the exemptions we grant. We might have been more lenient if the nominator was a newcomer, but this is not the case. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I suggest improving the article for GA status and renominating it once that is accomplished.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)05:21, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New enough: Expansion is not counting overall article size but prose size. Using DYK Check, pre-expansion prose was 245 characters, now it is 2149 characters (almost 9-fold increase).
Adequate sourcing: That is not policy, nor a reasonable position to say that corporate sources are unreliable. It may be true that some companies will exaggerate their accomplishments, but this is a statistic about all mines there, which this company will know better than anyone else.
Neutral: This refers toWP:NPOV in the article, not the sources. Even so, the sources (very typical for such places) are used to validate statements, not to prove notability, and moreover, the offline bookOur Timiskaming does have an in-depth chapter on Gowganda.
Cited: This checkbox is not about sources, but whether or not the hook is in the article and cited. It is.
Interesting: This is subjective of course, but obviously not all hooks are going to be spectacular, you have to consider this in the context of the subject. In any case, I'm always open to suggestions.
My mistake RE 5x. My NPOV concern is that neutrality is based on presentation of all POVs as substantiated in reliable sources. If all of the sources are passing mentions, it's hard to say whether you're capturing all POVs on the subject. RE sourcing, corporate websites don't necessarily fact check and the source is being used in the article for more than the hook fact. DYK requires each paragraph cite to a reliable source. I maintain that this hook is a mundane fact that is not interesting.voorts (talk/contributions)18:40, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment on capturing all POVs would make sense if this were a controversial subject where people have different takes on it. Can't see how that applies here, first time in my over 100 DYK's this comes up, so I don't even know what POV you would expect here. As for reliability of its website, of course a mining company would know exactly how much was extracted, this is not some subjective claim. Anyway, I will prepare an alternate hook, but still seeking 2nd opinion. --P 1 9 9✉20:51, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that theEnderlin, North Dakota, tornado earned the first EF5 rating in 12 years by throwing train cars over four times as heavy and nearly twice the distance needed for the rating?
Source: The source appears on theDamage Assessment Toolkit, and can be found by ensuring the Begin and End Dates specified make a range that include June 20, 2025; then, find the purple EF5 polygon west of Fargo, North Dakota, and click on the southwesternmost purple EF5 damage point at 46.59, -97.56. This might seem convoluted, but this is standard practice within the weather community. The relevant text reads: "Tipped loaded car: The tornado derailed 33 train cars including 19 fully-loaded grain hopper cars and 14 empty tanker cars, mainly tipped from the track. Included in the derailed cars were one filled grain car (~286,000 lbs) and four empty tanker cars (~72,000 lbs) that were pulled into a field away from the track. One of the 4 tanker cars was tossed 600-1000 ft (183-305 m) from the track and an estimated 475.7 ft (145 m) from the distance of the previous tanker car it was attached to before being pulled off of the track; wheel sets detached near the point from which the cars were derailed from the track. It was in this train derailment location that EF-5 damage intensity was noted with greater than 210 mph winds listed officially for this tornado. Extensive collaboration with wind damage experts provided forensic analyses for the train damage that occurred with this tornado. These analyses estimate potential wind speeds of approximately 230 mph are needed to completely overturn a fully loaded grain hopper car. Collaboration with the Northern Tornadoes Project at Western University’s Canadian Severe Storms Laboratory estimated a potential wind speed of >119 m/s (>266 mph) to loft the empty tanker car 475.7 ft (145 m) using similar calculations performed in Estimating Wind Speeds in Tornadoes Using Debris Trajectories of Large Compact Objects (Miller et al. 2024). The study, published in the Monthly Weather Review, found that large compact objects lofted greater than 50 m indicate EF-5 intensity winds (greater than 200 mph). The Enderlin train cars were nearly 2× farther than the EF-5 threshold distance and ~4× heavier than the heaviest object modeled in the study."
Comment: Apologies about the convoluted source. The article is brand new and already at GA, and weatherspace editors are on it with a fervor I haven't seen since I started editing here (except for ongoing storms). I feel it's only right for this to get some recognition (it was at ITN/C but won't be posted), and I've plenty of QPQs leftover. Again, credit to EF5 and ChessEric for this one.
Improved to Good Article status byEF5 (talk) andChessEric (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Damnit, I was going to nominate with the exact same hook later today lol (do they hand out 4As if you aren’t the one nominating the DYK?). Original hook is interesting as-is.EF516:03, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the purposes of 4A, I'm fine with you taking credit for this one, as you were the one who basically built this page up to where it is now.Departure– (talk)16:04, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nono, it’s okay, DYK still counts even if you aren’t the one nominating. Maybe we could use the Alex Resel or Henderson images?EF516:07, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally think it'd be only right to use the photo of the moved train cars, but sadly this is one of the only cases of free tornado image, non-free damage image.Departure– (talk)16:09, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that while the article is currently atWP:GAR and will be there for at least a month the nomination is still valid as it was created in the last seven days.EF513:38, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that sopranoAntonie Mielke(pictured) performed in a festival that inaugurated the newly builtCarnegie Hall for its first week of performances in May 1891?
Source: *"Damrosch Festival".The New York Times. March 8, 1891. p. 13.THE DAMROSCH FESTIVAL. The new Carnegle Musio Hall, at Fifty-seventh Street and Seventh Avente, will be opened on May 5 with a music festival, which will continue on May 6, 7, 8, and 9. The forces to be assembled will consist of the Symphony Society orchestra, the Oratorio Society chorus, and the following solotsts: Antonia Mielke and Clementine De Vere, sopranos... Wednesday Evening, May 6.Elijah, Oratorio for soli, chorus, and orchestra. Mendelssohn Soloiste: Frau Antonia Mielke...
... thatEdwin Boxshall, believed to be Britain’s longest-serving spy, was still advising MI6 at 86?
Source:Deacon, Richard (1989).Spyclopaedia: An Encyclopaedia of Spies, Secret Services, Operations, Jargon and All Subjects Related to the World of Espionage. Little, Brown Book Group Limited. p. 166.ISBN978-0-7088-4220-1.
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Improved to Good Article status byAeengath (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... thatYui Aragaki's cover of "Chiisana Koi no Uta" was performed along with 3000 students?Source:Oricon[女優の新垣結衣が、ウォークマン『Play You.』(ソニー)の新プロジェクトで3000人の中高生とユニットを結成し、同郷・沖縄出身の人気ロックバンド・モンゴル800の代表曲「小さな恋のうた」を歌うことが8日までにわかった。 It was revealed on the 8th that actress Yui Aragaki will be forming a unit with 3,000 junior and senior high school students as part of a new project for the Walkman "Play You." (Sony), and will be singing "Chiisana Koi no Uta," a hit song by Mongol 800, a popular rock band from her hometown of Okinawa.]
ALT2: ... that 1000 musician played "Chiisana Koi no Uta" simultaneously in an event?Source:Kitakan Navi magazine [6月に群馬県渋川市内で開かれる参加型音楽イベント「1000人ROCK FES.GUNMA 2024」の実行委員会は... 参加者が一斉にバンド演奏するイベント。The executive committee of the participatory music event "1000 People ROCK FES.GUNMA 2024" to be held in Shibukawa City, Gunma Prefecture in June... An event where participants all play together in a band.]
ALT3: ... that Chiisana Koi no Uta Band perform a cover of "Chiisana Koi no Uta" forChiisana Koi no Uta?Source:Spice [MONGOL800の「小さな恋のうた」をモチーフにした映画『小さな恋のうた』（5月24日公開）から誕生した“小さな恋のうたバンド”のデビューシングル「小さな恋のうた」のミュージックビデオがフルサイズ公開された。The full-length music video for "Chiisana Koi no Uta," the debut single by the "Chiisana Koi no Uta Band," which was born from the movie "Chiisana Koi no Uta" (released May 24th), which is based on MONGOL800's song "Chiisana Koi no Uta," has been released.]
Comment: nominating this for a CHRISTMAS prep queue (i realise there's been a lot of discussion about DYKs for Jilly Cooper's works and inthis discussion I offered to do multi nomswith this exception as I think it works really well for Christmas!
Created byLajmmoore (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 154 past nominations.
Comment: This page was created yesterday and consisted of two sentences. Relatively unknown civil rights activist who was a close confidant of Martin Luther King Jr. A very important figure who deserves to be recognized.
5x expanded byThe Robot Parade (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that the removal of a printing press fromThe Republic Newspaper Office prompted dozens of concerned inquiries from the public?Source: Kamin, Blair (May 14, 2018). "Former newspaper building in Indiana, a modernist icon shaped in Chicago, will house architecture program". Chicago Tribune. "So deeply was the building ingrained in the life of the town that when the printing press was removed in 1998, to be replaced by a larger one that could only be housed in a new facility, the public took notice. 'Alarm bells went off. We fielded dozens of inquiries from people sure that the newspaper had gone out of business.'"
ALT1: ... that the removal of a printing press fromThe Republic Newspaper Office prompted people to ask if the 125-year-old newspaper was closing entirely?Source: Kamin, Blair (May 14, 2018). "Former newspaper building in Indiana, a modernist icon shaped in Chicago, will house architecture program". Chicago Tribune. "So deeply was the building ingrained in the life of the town that when the printing press was removed in 1998, to be replaced by a larger one that could only be housed in a new facility, the public took notice. 'Alarm bells went off. We fielded dozens of inquiries from people sure that the newspaper had gone out of business.'"
ALT2: ... thatThe Republic Newspaper Office was completed under budget despite undergoing more than 100 changes during construction?Source: The Republic (Report). National Register of Historic Places, National Park Service. October 16, 2012. p. 12. "Over the course of construction. Brown corresponded frequently with George Hays, the project manager for SOM to discuss the day-to-day details of the project, including the numerous change orders. More than 100 of these were executed during the building’s construction ... In spite of the many modifications, the building was occupied only a short time after originally anticipated, and the final construction cost was $1,104,425, under SOM’s original estimate of $1,172,000."
ALT3: ... that an editor forThe Republic newspaper in Indiana said thatits office was "the best recruiting tool we've got"?Source:Freeman, Allen (March 1980). "Living in an Architectural Museum" (PDF). Journal of the American Institute of Architects. Vol. 69, no. 3. p. 70. "Courthouse Square is a less intrusive glass box, the daily Republic newspaper office and plant designed by Myron Goldsmith of SOM, Chicago. City Editor Harry McCawley, a believer in the good effects of good architecture, explains, "I am involved in the hiring of new reporters, and it is the best recruiting tool we've got. People compare it with where they are working now and where they are looking elsewhere. It often makes a difference as to whether we get a reporter we want." He adds facetiously that the building is "probably worth $10 a week in salary" when hiring, and seriously that his young crew dresses better than average for newspaper people, " to go with the building.""
ALT4: ... that an editor forThe Republic newspaper in Indiana said that, for new employees, the allure ofits office's design was like giving them a pay raise?Source:Freeman, Allen (March 1980). "Living in an Architectural Museum" (PDF). Journal of the American Institute of Architects. Vol. 69, no. 3. p. 70. "Courthouse Square is a less intrusive glass box, the daily Republic newspaper office and plant designed by Myron Goldsmith of SOM, Chicago. City Editor Harry McCawley, a believer in the good effects of good architecture, explains, "I am involved in the hiring of new reporters, and it is the best recruiting tool we've got. People compare it with where they are working now and where they are looking elsewhere. It often makes a difference as to whether we get a reporter we want." He adds facetiously that the building is "probably worth $10 a week in salary" when hiring, and seriously that his young crew dresses better than average for newspaper people, " to go with the building.""
ALT1: ... that the 2003Marvel Comics seriesTrouble was part of a "made-you-look" marketing strategy of provocative editorial gimmicks aimed at attracting substantial media coverage?Source:CBR,Newsarama
ALT2: ... that the 2003Marvel Comics seriesTrouble was an attempt by the company to re-expand intoromance comics, a genre which enjoyed significant popularity in the mid-20th century?Source:Web-Spinning Heroics: Critical Essays on the History and Meaning of Spider-Man
ALT3: ... that fan reaction to the 2003Marvel Comics seriesTrouble, which suggests thatAunt May is secretlySpider-Man's biological mother, determined whether or not it would becomecanon?Source:ICV2
ALT2: ... that it was thought that black men could not play the "thinking man's'" position ofcenter in the NFL until the career ofBill Cottrell?Source: same
Comment (as GA reviewer) I can't believeI managed to review this huge beast!, not knowing she was (one of) the greatest Olympic players! I knew this would be nominated for DYK for this exact reason! Seeing as Launchballer also nominatedEmma Finucane (DYK nom) which also had the same GA nominator. Since I reviewed this article as part of the GA process, I cannot review this article again for DYK (plus it would be tiring). Anyway, I don't mind whether ALT0 or ALT1 is chosen.JuniperChill (talk)17:36, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatBad End Theater uses a cute visual style to portray tragic death without showing gruesome details?
Source: Couture, Joel."The cascading consequences of Bad End Theater's parallel narratives".Game Developer. Retrieved 2 August 2025. Supporting text: "Cuteness is my specialty! I think having cute characters makes the darker endings more approachable and "safe". I wanted all the emotions of a tragic death without having to show any gruesome details - for me, it's more effective if it remains abstract or stylized."
ALT1: ... thatBad End Theater has 41 bad endings?Source: NomnomNami (2022-02-22), BAD END THEATER art collection. Requires owning Bad End Theater to access. Supporting text: "41 bad endings... it's a strange final number to land on, isn't it?"
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Moved to mainspace byThe Sophocrat (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Final Weapon was determined likely unreliable atWikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Final Weapon. What do you mean? Only one out of four editors argued it was "not a high-quality source". The site lists its editorial staff and its reviews have been featured elsewhere in the industry. As for meeting WP:GNG, the article cites a thesis, the Final Weapon Review, and aPCGamer review. Those are three independent, reliable sources that significantly cover the article subject, so the subject meets WP:GNG.Sophocrat (talk)17:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's more complex than just one of four editors arguing it's unreliable. The ones arguing it was unreliable offered way more evidence in support of that fact, includingUser:Captain Galaxy's numerous points andUser:Sergecross73 in the previous 2024 discussion about the site. At the very least, its reliability is in heavy doubt due to the writers' lack of credentials. I am not sure why Anait Games should be considered reliable either, it appears to share similar issues. To be clear, reliability is not a negotiable part ofWP:GNG and if you pull a source out of nowhere that isn't inWP:VG/S orWP:Perennial sources, etc. you will need some solid proof that it should actually be taken seriously, especially with the advent of AI and misinformation online.ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ)05:42, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With regards to the Marta Trivi page, it was essentially just created and I am unsure if it passesWP:NBIO. She appears to be more of a freelance journalist than someone with industry credentials so I'm not sure you can pull out the "this person is a journalist" argument to say that the site is reliable.ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ)05:49, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's also a page discussing the game, comparable in size to the PCGamer review, fromthis thesis (plaintext link) fromHacettepe University (it also dedicates a subchapter to another of the dev's games, but I digress). It was supervised by doctor Elif Varol Ergen, who seems to be a recognized specialist in the field (eg bythis art magazine article) (as preferred byWP:THESIS [If possible, use theses that have been [...] supervised by recognized specialists in the field]). The GryOnLine article was written in 2021, this thesis in 2024, and the other thesis I cite in 2025. This demonstratessustained coverage that has outlived the game's initial release. I do believe this subject is notable and evidently an article can be written about it—it's just a bit niche (and perWP:DYKCITE,The use of multiple sources is generally preferred, though more leeway may be given for more obscure topics).Sophocrat (talk)00:27, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Gry Online page bills itself as a "game description" with zero independent commentary, so I don't think it would fall underWP:SECONDARY. Per that page, "A secondary source provides thought and reflection [...]". GNG requires the sources in question to be secondary ones. I am also concerned whether the thesis page would have sufficient commentary independent of pure descriptions of the content. It may be worth removing the unreliable sources and expanding the reception; if the sources are insufficient, it will clearly show in the lack of content that can be gleaned for the section, and vice-versa.ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ)09:43, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the University of Chicago team who worked on the production of the world's first human-caused self-sustaining nuclear reaction, includingEnrico Fermi in the front row andLeó Szilárd in the second
ALT4a: ... that the originalUniversity of Chicago, founded in the 1850s, was foreclosed upon and shut down in 1886?Source: The University of Chicago: A History, by John W. Boyer, pages 8-10. ISBN 9780226835303
ALT5: ... that theUniversity of Chicago's Gothic architecture was deliberately designed to evoke Oxford and Cambridge, despite the university being located in America's Midwest?Source: Schulze, Franz; Harrington, Kevin (2003). Chicago's Famous Buildings (5th ed.). University of Chicago Press. pp. 246–50. ISBN 0-226-74066-8. Retrieved August 31, 2009.
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Comment: I don't have the Boyer book with me at the moment, but if necessary I can get it and find the exact text supporting the claims.
Improved to Good Article status byCharter6281 (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article was nominated for DYK on the same day it passed GA (Oct 14) and at 44k characters and 6.5k words it is more than long enough. Sourcing is fine, although if I were the GA reviewer, I would have asked for more independent secondary sources rather than relying so heavily on University of Chicago-affiliated sources (understandable as this is pretty typical of university histories; it's just that it's not that hard to find secondary sources for a lot of the claims in the article). Article is neutral in tone. Earwig suggests that copyvio is unlikely; the match rate nevertheless seems high (31% with Britannica for example) but when you look closely it turns out to be due to things like the long institute names, which should remain fixed. As for manual spotchecks, a quick comparison with pages from the Boyer book, which the article cites heavily, makes it apparent that the Boyer book is much more flowery in tone and that close paraphrasing seems unlikely. Only one link in the proposed hooks is bold-linked and this article looks presentable. The QPQ is not required, as the nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
This leaves the hooks. ALT0, ALT1, and ALT2 fail the "short enough" test – ALT0 and ALT1 both contain very interesting facts, but they are crammed with so much detail and bluelinks, such that there is no compelling reason for the reader to click on the link to read the University of Chicago article. (In other words, you don't want to ask a question that contains the exact answer. ALT1, for example, could perhaps be shortened to "... that only Room 405 of theUniversity of Chicago'sGeorge Herbert Jones Laboratory is aNational Historic Landmark?" because at least then the reader would want to know "why only Room 405?" but it's not great in that it's more about George Herbert Jones Laboratory than the University of Chicago itself. And in any case, if you wanted to use that hook, you really should cite additional sourceslike this one in the article itself. To be honest, ALT3 is the hook that caught my eye from the very start, butWP:ERRORS is very unforgiving of superlative claims like "first" and "largest". Even if it technically is true that University of Chicago Press is the largest in North America, this claim is only sourced within the article to the University of Chicago Press itself (a primary source), which also fails to explain exactly why it's the largest (by what metric). This leaves ALT4. And while I thought ALT4 was going to be an easy pass, a potential problem is that the article itself doesn't use the words "bankrupt" or "bankruptcy" anwhere, and one could argue thatforeclosure is not the same asbankruptcy.@Charter6281: If you are in a hurry to get this DYK approved, I would recommend doing a bit of work to resolve this and bulletproof ALT4. Otherwise, good job with the article; it's well written and very informative.Cielquiparle (talk)04:25, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Charter6281: Better. Thanks for working on your hooks. There are still issues that need to be resolved, though. See below. (And also, from this point on, please don't swap out any ALT hooks. You can start new ones inline here in the Comments, formatted the same way (scroll throughWP:DYKNA to get a feel for formatting options for revised ALT hooks) and strike any content you decide not to uselike this. I've also re-numbered your ALT hooks so it's clear to any subsequent reviewers that we aren't talking about the same hooks as before.Cielquiparle (talk)04:32, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a seems like an interesting hook. Can you find an additional source for it that isn't University of Chicago Press? For a "world's first" claim like that, we're looking for reliable secondary sources that verify that the claim is true. That source or sources need to be added to the article itself.
ALT2a is better than it was before, but there is literally only one sentence about the topic in the actual article that doesn't give us any "reward" for clicking on the hook and no real argument about why this is a significant or interesting fact (plus it's only sourced to the University of Chicago magazine). Either expand the content in the article by at least one sentence, citing at least one reliable secondary source, or we can just table this hook.
ALT4a is ok.
ALT5 is interesting but the article refers only to Oxford, not Cambridge, and the hook itself is still way too verbose.
In conclusion, I would recommend you fix at least ALT0a and possibly ALT5 (meaning fix the corresponding sourcing in the article itself in the case of ALT0a, and fix the hook language and possibly the content within the article itself if you can find a source to back up the "Cambridge" part), and then we will have at least 3 approved hooks and leave it up to the hook promoter which one to choose.Cielquiparle (talk)04:32, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One possible solution to ALT0/ALT0a is to simply drop the "first" claim and just mention that the reaction took place under a stadium's stands. To me at least, that was the actually interesting part, not that it was a "first".Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)09:07, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One issue is that the article currently does not mention "stands" but only the specific stadium itself (in this case, Stagg Field) is mentioned, without any mention of the experiment being done under the stands. Unless the article is revised, another possibility could be:
ALT2: ... thatHerbert Jacobs and his children personally built the foundations oftheir second house?Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 18; Jacobs, Herbert (October 4, 1976). "[For Working] And Living". The Capital Times. pp. 21, 22.
ALT3: ... that whenHerbert and Katherine Jacobs commissionedFrank Lloyd Wright fortheir second house, he told them, "you are getting another 'first'"?Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 15.
Noting that underwear in this case refers tolong underwear (sometimes called long johns), and not underwear in the traditional sense. While I don't think my hook is misleading, I do want to make that clear for the reviewer.
Created byGalacticVelocity08 (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
New enough. Long enough. Reliable citations throughout. Well sourced and highly factual. (AGF on Italian sources.) NPOV tone throughout. Copyright violations unlikely per Earwig. Generally well written but many of the sentences are too long. The hook is also too long. Please consider tightening the hook, or breaking it up into a few ALTs.Hybernator (talk)02:14, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that despite being a charity race, theCity of Oaks Marathon donated zero dollars to charity in 2014 due to potential fraud by their board president? (Source)
Article is new enough, long enough, and the hook fact is interesting and verifiable to an inline citation. That said, the article does use a large number of primary sources, which is fine I guess for statistics in the tables... But... I notice that the sourcing in question is local in scope and promotional in tone; being drawn almost entirely fromWRAL,WTVD, andWNCN. The only source outside of that is a small promotional blurb inRunner's World which hardly counts asWP:SIGCOV. I am wondering whether the sourcing is sufficient to demonstrate a pass ofWP:EVENTCRIT. Issues ofWP:GEOSCOPE,WP:LASTING,WP:DEPTH,WP:DIVERSE,WP:ROUTINE,WP:NOTNEWS, etc. are pertinent. Additionally, City of Oaks Marathon is an organization as well as an event and is therefor subject toWP:ORG and its rigor. I'm not certain this would survive anWP:AFD.@Johnson524: It would be helpful if you could locate and add a source on this event from outside Raleigh that isn't promotional or perfunctory. That would go a long way in demonstrating that this is a notable topic. Additionally the over-reliance on local TV media may not be the best as that type of media tends to be more superficial than print media, and the coverage tends to beWP:PRIMARY. Local print media might be more in-depth, and is more often able to cross that line intoWP:SECONDARY coverage. Until the source depth and diversity is improved I don't think we can run this.4meter4 (talk)15:37, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article was moved within the window and is long enough, and seems to be fully cited. The hook itself is short enough and passesWP:DYKINT. No copyvio concerns except the formality below. Points that need looking at:
Could you provide the quotation from note 13 to support the hook -- the newspaper citation isWP:PRIMARY and only strictly proves that one letter existed.
There is quite heavy use of primary sources throughout: can any of these be replaced or buttressed with modern secondary sources?
I've requested access to a copy of the book again, it might take a few days to get it.
The primary newspaper sources are being used to back up the dates. I had the issue that some of the secondary sources had incorrect dates for when he held these positions, so the primary ones were actually more reliable in this case.
Nothing really, though it's the only online source I could find talking about his role as a mason.
Both articles are long enough and pass GA standards as indicated in the nom (Marina Days was promoted on 16 Oct andOur Lady of the Ozarks College moved on the same day. Two QPQs done, per requirements when this was nominated. Both are generally in good shape and presentable for the main page. No evidence of copyvio or other issues, having run Earwig on both, and all images are appropriately licensed.
The hook is cited but I can't access the first link: could you provide the supporting text? I'm not sure the second quite has enough to support this as anannual figure (rather than the expectation for 2025), and it doesn't specify the location or that they're all Vietnamese Catholics. I think it just about passes the bar forWP:DYKINT, but you may wish to come up with some ALTs -- readers without a clear expectation of how many Vietnamese Catholics they would find in Missouri may not be particularly shocked. We could also do with explicitly saying that the Marian Days take placeat Our Lady of the Ozarks College -- this isn't directly said in either article.
... thatThe Patient's Playbook warns against hastily starting treatment, citing a case where a man received unnecessary heart stents, only to later learn his real issue was in his lungs?
The article notes: "A rush to treatment can also be a problem. Short of an emergency, it is important for patients, and doctors, to think things through. Mr. Michelson recounts the story of a man whose shortness of breath led him to a new doctor, a reflexively scheduled angiogram and the insertion of stents in his heart arteries well before a careful diagnosis had been made. The man’s problem, it turned out, wasn’t the heart but the lungs. The stent procedure was unnecessary."
Note (not reviewer, but article creator): "dictators" is supported by Datlow, Ellen; Windling, Terri, eds. (1990). The Year's Best Fantasy and Horror: Third Annual Collection, p. xl, while serial killers is supported by the Maximum Rocknroll review. I will supply quotes if requested.PARAKANYAA (talk)04:47, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is new enough and long enough, and neutral in style. QPQ has been done and there is no image. The hook is good, and the source supporting it AGF. There should be an inline citation connected with the fact in the article, though, so that it is clear where the source for this claims comes from not only in the nomination but also in the article. I do have some issues with thepresentability of the article. Firstly, some stylistic issues. In the lead, Tjoen is presented as "politician, leftist, and teacher." I think "left-wing politician and teacher" would be considerably better; "leftist" sounds too colloquial and vague. Further questions: Do we know what kind of company "NV Pyramid" was? A word on that could be clarifying. Same with "Surabaya National Development Force"; who were/are they? Some context would be useful. And what's the "Mutual Assistance House of Representatives"? And what happened in 1955, did he lose his seat or not? I also find this sentence confusing: "He did so because he found that those representing minority groups were not supported by the Chinese Muslim and Indo communities, and were instead backed by Masjumi, NU, and Parkindo". I think you need in at least a few words explain why this was problematic for Tjoen. And then again: "He also urged the government to review the bonus system" - what bonus system? Who got what bonus from whom? I'm at a loss. In the very next sentence, " In addition, he opposed Assaat’s proposal, calling on the government to adopt [...]" I again wonder what the proposal was? One last question - he was arrested twice in the 1940s and 1950s, yet the arrest in the 1960s get its own heading. Why? I think at least some of these questions need to be resolved before we can put this on the main page. I'm sorry to say I left the article not really feeling sure I had a grip on the biography of Tjoen.Yakikaki (talk)20:24, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatBaek Se-hee's favourite food prolonged her life?Source: Se-hee is shy, introverted and fearful of being manipulated. She finds being with other people almost unbearable. But she savors eating Tteokbokki―a chewy, spicy rice cake―at the humble places that serve it. That one desire, by keeping alive the flickering flame of her will to keep going, drives her to show up for conversations with her therapist.
Comment: Driveby nom. It's a crying shame "that the death of Baek Se-hee saved five lives" would need attribution, as "according to the Korea Organ Donation Agency" would give the game away.
Created byAndrew Davidson (talk).Number of QPQs required:1. Nominator has 337 past nominations.
Thanks for nominating this as it saves me the trouble of doing it myself. It was started at ITN and I was worried that this would block posting here but theITN nomination is for Recent Deaths and so it won't get a bold posting there.Andrew🐉(talk)10:27, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that thewinning song of theEurovision Song Contest 1961 was included in a 2020s promotional campaign by the French government to highlight and combat homophobia, biphobia and transphobia?
Improved to Good Article status bySims2aholic8 (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 26 past nominations.
... thatCharlie Mitchell is the first black chef in New York City to receive a Michelin star and only the second black executive chef in the country to receive a star?
@Launchballer: It is Gerald Sombright and he doesn't have an article, I already have a good bit of the resources needed for him and can get it put together. Once I get it done do I nominate his separately or add it on to this one? New to all of this and want to do it correctly.
... that people entered the Bronze Age tombs atVolimidia centuries later in the Iron Age to leave offerings to the dead?
Source:Antonaccio, Carla (1994).An Archaeology of Ancestors: Tomb Cult and Hero Cult in Early Greece. Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield. pp. 70,94–95.ISBN0-8476-7941-1.
ALT1: ... that theMycenaean chamber tombs ofVolimidia show design features normally found only in monumentaltholos tombs?Source:Antonaccio, Carla (1994).An Archaeology of Ancestors: Tomb Cult and Hero Cult in Early Greece. Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield. p. 95.ISBN0-8476-7941-1.
ALT2: ... that the Mycenaean cemetery ofVolimidia may have been an important site for the worship of the goddessPotnia?Source: Multiple: note 32 in article.
Improved to Good Article status byUndercoverClassicist (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 39 past nominations.
Comment. While it's good work to add sourced info, I don't think this qualifies byWP:DYK5X rules.This old version is quite substantial even if a lot of the content is in bulleted lists - even ignoring the bulleted content, it's 340 words, while the current version is 932 words. In general,any old content, no matter how bad, qualifies - only copyright violations or blatant vandalism doesn't, per DYK5X.@Piotrus: Maybe worth a try again if it becomes a GA?SnowFire (talk)14:55, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:SnowFire I thought unreferenced content did not count for prose count. But if it does, I'll see if I can add ~600 words to this somehow. After expanding the lead, which I forgotten about, it is now at 1130 words, so close to 4x. PS. Now we are at 1440 words, so I think that's close enough to 5x? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here00:31, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the slow reply. Yeah, the idea behind 5x is more representing a "new" article where a tiny two-line stub was there first, with "improving a bad article" being intended for the "recent GA" criterion.
For this article specifically - normally, yes, there is some wiggle room and getting to 4.3x or the like is close enough for government work. In this case, though, the page size script "not counting" bulleted lists is more a quirk, as the bulleted lists weren't just sideline appendix-y data here - it was the main focus of the old article. So 340 words is an undercount of the old article length if anything, and the current length still isn't 5x even the undercounted size. Not trying to be a hardass on this, but see the explanatory second paragraph at DYK5X - this kind of improvement is great, but it's the "recent GA" criteria to become a DYK.SnowFire (talk)18:12, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The difference betwen hypnosis in fiction and this is that less of this was in bullet points. Prose size is based on characters, at which this technically started at 2085 and would need another 530 to be eligible, but given thatexpansion clearly started after someone else cut it down I'd be tempted to IAR.--Launchballer05:22, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I won't push it if others think this is fine and want to approve it. I'd normally have no problem with 4.5xish expansion, but I brought up the bulleted lists issue for why a vibes-based "eh, close enough" pass doesn't quite work here, since those weren't really lists but rather very similar content (if unreferenced) to what's in the current article that's unrepresented by the gadget. But it's not meeting the strict "page size gadget reports 5x expansion" criterion either.SnowFire (talk)03:12, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Listen to the story", (from the Introductory toGranny's Wonderful Chair, illustrated byMarie Seymour Lucas, 1890
... thatFrancis Hodgson Burnett was accused of plagiarism after publishing a story based onFrances Browne’sGranny's Wonderful Chair(illustrated)?Source:Easley, Alexis (2019). "The Nineteenth Century: Intellectual Property Rights and "Literary Larceny"".The Cambridge Handbook of Literary Authorship. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.doi:10.1017/9781316717516.010.
Comment: I will complete another DYK shortly and add it here. I think this illustration works well at small scale but there are lots of illustrations in the article to choose from. (Also note the bot doesn't seem to count multinoms, this is the 71st article I've nominated for DYK!)DrThneed (talk)03:13, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to mainspace byDrThneed (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 23 past nominations.
... thatHostage, a book written byEli Sharabi(pictured) after surviving 491 days inHamas captivity, became the fastest-selling title in Hebrew publishing history?
Adequate sourcing: - The "He was also featured in the Canada Untold documentary" sentence is uncited, as is "a stretch of Canadian highway infamous for disappearances and murders of Indigenous women"
Cited: - The given source for the hook does not mention British Columbia, Newfoundland or Labrador by name, but does note that he ran across "Canada’s 10 provinces" (British Columbia is the most westward and Newfoundland the most eastward). It mentions "Atlantic Canada" (on the east coast) and Thunder Bay, Ontario is mentioned. The ALT1 hook shares the same source but I cannot find any mention of the 7,000 kilometer claim? ALT2's claim of 5,000 kilometers appears unsourced, since the articles give distances of 1,200km and 3,200km respectively. One of the ALT3 sources states "Firth will also be assisted by traditional gear. He's borrowing a caribou parka and boots from Cathy Allooloo of Narwal Northern Adventures in Yellowknife for the trip".
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, only a 4.8% marking noted in the Copyvio detector. Reliable sources are used. However, the hooks need to be rewritten to conform what is written in sources. Good article about a niché topic. My biggest tip would be to archive article sources (perH:ARCHIVESOURCE), but this is not required.VirreFriberg (talk)02:56, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that after a policeman held up traffic to let a mother cat pass through,Harry Warnecke staged a re-enactment of the moment for a photograph(pictured)?
Withdrawn as the article doesn't meet my standards at the moment. ―Howard •🌽33
@Howardcorn33: could you elaborate on what the standards are? The article is perfectly fine to run at the state its at, and given you haven't edited in 4 days (2 days since you withdrew), I don't see why withdraw when improvements may not come for some time.Roast (talk)01:00, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine; putting it on DYK would probably help that issue actually given that more will see it. Do you want a review despite your withdrawal?Roast (talk)20:22, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that for the video where afictional Russian deputy allegedly detonates a bus stop with a grenade launcher, the authors of theYouTube channel face 15 years in prison?
... thatJeff Baena was encouraged to pitch his nun comedy movieThe Little Hours after talking about medieval literature(depicted) while high and watchingDOGTV?
ALT1: ... that members of the six-person crew forThe Little Hours had to light some scenes with candles, which the cinematographer wicked herself?
ALT2: ... that preemptive religious criticism about nun movieThe Little Hours ended up being used in an R-rated trailer to promote the movie?
ALT4: ... that writer-directorJeff Baena was high when he came up withThe Little Hours, and producer-actorAubrey Plaza was high when she promoted it(both pictured)?
ALT5: ... thatThe Little Hours was based on at least three stories fromThe Decameron, primarily the third day(depicted)?
Comment: Sources in article, other hook suggestions welcome!
Improved to Good Article status byKingsif (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 144 past nominations.
Improved to Good Article status bySaltymagnolia (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 32 past nominations.
... that in 1982HMSJunella carried a naval mine from the Falklands Islands to Britain on her deck, covered by a wet mattress to keep the explosives cool?
Source: "HMS Junella, one of five trawler-minesweepers which returned to Rosyth on August 11m brought back with her from the Falklands a deadly reminder of her dangerous role during the last few months. Carried on her stern was a large, green mine - defused, but still packed with enough explosive to sink a ship ... as temperatures rose when the ship reached the tropics on the passage home, the mine was kept cool by covering it with a water-soaked mattress" from page 40 of: *"Junella Nurses Deadly Cargo".Navy News: 40. September 1982.
Comment: Previously appeared 25 September 2020 so perWP:DYKNEW it is eligible to appear again now it has passed GA
Improved to Good Article status byDumelow (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 950 past nominations.
Source: "Having decided that the D.C. courts were Article III courts, the Supreme Court had to reconcile the fact that such courts performed nonjudicial functions with the rule that constitutional courts can exercise only the judicial power of the United States. The Court did so by holding that, in establishing courts for the District, Congress performs dual functions pursuant to two distinct powers: its power to constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court [i.e., Article III court], and its plenary and exclusive power to legislate for the District of Columbia. [i.e., Article I tribunal]"https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S1-9-4/ALDE_00013607/
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Created byLethargilistic (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Turner Memorial A.M.E. Church's building from 1951 to 2003
... that future Washington, D.C., mayorMarion Barry scandalized the leaders ofTurner Memorial A.M.E. Church(pictured) by smoking cigarettes and cursing in the church?
ALT1: ... that asynagogue turnedchurch(pictured) was put up for sale as a nightclub?Source: 'When Turner Memorial African Methodist Episcopal Church put its downtown sanctuary on the market, the real estate ad described it as "suitable for a nightclub." Four blocks away, in the tiny offices of the Jewish Historical Society of Greater Washington, Executive Director Laura Cohen Apelbaum had other ideas. She knew the building had housed two of the city's most venerable congregations: Turner since 1952 and Adas Israel Synagogue for nearly a half-century before that.' Washington Post,https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/12/24/a-jewish-landmark-again/883cb3d9-c54e-4297-a632-d3b2fe3eabd9/
... thatGatot Wilotikto needed approval from the North Korean parliament to marry a local woman?
Source: Hill, David.T (2022). "The Fragile Bloom of the Kimilsungia: Indonesian political exiles in North Korea". Indonesia and the Malay World. 50 (147). p.150.
... that theNatal Native Pioneer Corps(pictured) wore old British army red coats with a pillbox hat and shorts?
Source: "wach man was issued with the pre-1872 red serge frock of the British infantry ... loose-fitting knee-length white canvas trousers; a blue pillbox forage cap" from page 11 of *Castle, Ian (2003).Zulu War: Volunteers, Irregulars & Auxiliaries. Oxford, England: Osprey.ISBN9781841764849.
Comment: article previously appeared at DYK but this was on 29 October 2019 so is eligible to run again as perWP:DYKNEW
Improved to Good Article status byDumelow (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 951 past nominations.
... that the former ambassador of Indonesia to CambodiaSoehardjono Sastromihardjo was spared by Khmer Rouge forces after repeatedly shouting Indonesia?Source: Bisara, Dion (27 August 2012). "Indonesia Bonding With Cambodia in Trade". The Jakarta Globe. "Soehardjono Sastromihardjo, now Indonesian ambassador to Cambodia, was riding with a United Nations Transitional Authority in Cambodia convoy on a mission to supervise the country’s first general election, when a group of Khmer Rouge guerrillas appeared and stopped the convoy. AK-47 rifles and grenade launchers were pointed at the trucks, ready to fire; a slight misstep could have resulted in disaster. Without thinking, Soehardjono shouted: “Indonesia, Indonesia!” Almost instantly the guns were lowered and the guerrillas retreated."
Comment: Will get to QPQs today by or tomorrow. Happy to see alt hooks proposed - I can't find a way to phrase any others that I liked.
Moved to mainspace byPremeditated Chaos (talk).Number of QPQs required:2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 68 past nominations.
Comment: No redlinks in hooks. Either remove it, or create the article and run this as a double hook if it is long enough.Roast (talk)19:07, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I remove the red link in the hook by linking what the article links it do, but they’re spelled differently… for some reason?1brianm7 (talk)17:05, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not a review, but since I tried to fix the typo myself before being edit conflicted, I'd like to note that it'd help if the Lavelle source supported the hook since reinterpreting medieval histories tend to cross theWP:SYNTH line (similar toWP:GRLIT).ミラP@Miraclepine17:12, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... thatAchmad Husein required municipal employees ofBanyumas, Indonesia to collect 1 kg of inorganic waste each month?Source:[26]: "Aturan itu dituangkan melalui Surat Edaran Bupati Banyumas Nomor 660/7376/2016 tentang kewajiban PNS dan tenaga kontrak Pemerintah Kabupaten Banyumas mengumpulkan sampah anorganik minimal 1 kg per bulan." Translated: "The regulation was outlined in Banyumas Regent's Circular Letter No. 660/7376/2016 concerning the obligation of civil servants and contract workers of the Banyumas Regency Government to collect a minimum of 1 kg of inorganic waste per month." (he was regent of Banyumas in 2016)
... thatSuprapto Martosetomo's house in the Philippines became a refuge for Indonesian students during the1989 Philippine coup attempt?Source: "Suprapto Martosetomo, Duta di Takhta Suci". Hidup Katolik. 9 November 2011. p. 1. "Saat berkarya di Manila, Filipina, rumahnya menjadi tempat mengungsi para mahasiswa asal Indonesia. ”Saat itu terjadi usaha kudeta Presiden Cory Aquino. Tentara pemberontak sudah menguasai wilayah Metro Manila termasuk tempat mahasiswa. Maka, demi keselamatan, para mahasiswa tinggal di tempat saya." [While working in Manila, Philippines, his house became a refuge for Indonesian students. "At that time, there was an attempted coup against President Cory Aquino. Rebel troops had taken control of Metro Manila, including the student housing complex. So, for their safety, the students stayed with me.
AGF on the quotation as the offline magazine. Otherwise, article is well-referenced and hook is interesting. QPQs have been provided, article new and long enough. Good to go.Juxlos (talk)04:31, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Indonesian ambassadorAlfred Tanduk Palembangan was inspired to become a diplomat through interaction with tourists?Source: Kurapak, Okto (2005). Profil pemuda Toraja, 2006: pribadi-pribadi sumber inspirasi dan pembelajaran (in Indonesian). Lakipadada Publisher. pp. 1. ISBN 978-979-96415-1-9. "Cita - cita menjadi diplomat , sebenarnya sudah terpatri dalam dirinya , sejak masih di Toraja, dengan pertemuan dengan wisatawan mancanegara ketika ia masih menuntut ilmu di sekolah menengah di Toraja..." [The dream of becoming a diplomat had actually been ingrained in him since he was in Toraja, with meetings with foreign tourists when he was still studying at high school in Toraja...]
... that asylum seekers have beenprotesting for almost 400 consecutive days in the UNHCR humanitarian center in Agadez, Niger?
Source: "By late-2025, the protests continue for almost 400 consecutive days, making them one of the longest-running refugee-led demonstrations in North Africa."
ALT1: ... that refugees have beenprotesting for 400 consecutive days in the UNHCR humanitarian center in Agadez, Niger?Source: "By late-2025, the protests continue for almost 400 consecutive days, making them one of the longest-running refugee-led demonstrations in North Africa."
Reviewed:
Comment: If posted before 27 October, use "almost 400", if posted on 27 October, use "400", if posted after 27 October use "over 400".
Created byAfonso Dimas Martins (talk).Number of QPQs required:0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Well written article on an important topic. My comments are all on the hook. First, it says "in Agadez" rather than "near Agadez" as the article says. Second, and more importantly, we don't have a source for the 400 consecutive days. I see one in article article 303 days (presumably written c.97 days ago). To be able to use the 400 number, we need a source confirming the protests are still going and have remained daily.Onceinawhile (talk)14:16, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article was moved to mainspace on the 23rd and nominated on the same day. It also meets the length requirements. No QPQ is needed as the nominator has less than five nominations. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The hook is mentioned, cited inline, and verified in the source. However, I have reservations if it meetsWP:DYKINT. If a reader is unfamiliar with Holden, they may not understand the hook's significance and thus find it uninteresting. I would suggest proposing alternative hooks. If you are having trouble, I can inviteIcepinner, another Singaporean editor and a DYK regular, to assist you.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)09:34, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're free to pursue that hook, as I'm not formally reviewing this. I personally just avoid negative hooks, "unduly" or not. Best.—Bagumba (talk)20:52, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the reasons for nominating this and such, but I think having a DYK on such a recent criminal allegation/investigation is a bit undesirable when consideringBLP.Moneytrees🏝️(Talk)20:55, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@Magentic Manifestations andAirshipJungleman29: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig has no valid complaints. No reason why this might deserve a maintenance template. I prefer ALT0, but I'll need a quote from the source to verify.--Launchballer23:35, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let me review this article. The article is long enough, with a readable prose size of 2,512 characters. All the content in the body of the article is properly sourced. The article does not use a promotional tone, and according toWP:EARWIG, no copyright violations or plagiarism were detected. The hook is look fine, imo and well-cited. I see that the creator has completed the QPQ, so this is good to go.Hteiktinhein (talk)08:56, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Full review still needed...Hteiktinhein (talk)08:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New hooks are needed here. Theoffered source does seem to indicate (via machine translation) that
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I think this is biased. I think other users probably think the same. And that's not interesting, because it's news that's widely reported around the world.Cassilvwikis (talk)02:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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