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Typo?

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This sentence, under the 'Popular terminologies' section makes no sense.

"Many Unification Church members consider the word "Moonie" derogatory, but as other groups havereappropriated term."Tosatur (talk)09:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

English teacher here: yes, should be "have reappropriated the term" - as other groups have. Notably the n-word is freely used by people of color (at least in NYC where I hear it frequently) as anin-group term - they just don't like other people using the word towards them. --Uncle Ed (talk)11:21, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Info on dissolution

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Hi, shouldn't the info on the dissolution by the Japanese courts go in the "In Japan section"? Isn't the divisions section where that info sits atm more universal in nature (or at least that's how I read it)?Saussure4661 (talk)21:44, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems significant enough in the history of the entire organisation that it deserves to be specifically mention in the general history section.Hemiauchenia (talk)21:54, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hemiauchenia I agree, but 'in Japan' it would be significant. I don't think there are any other dissolution cases anywhere else.Saussure4661 (talk)09:20, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Tokyo district court ruling receives coverage by foreign media outlets likeABC onYouTube,the Guardian,Reuters, etc. I would say the court ruling is notable enough outside of Japan to be included in THIS article. Agreeably the location of the info can be improved by moving to a more suitable section. --Sameboat - 同舟 (talk ·contri.)09:34, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sameboat 100% agree. I don't think anyone would dispute the news was not covered all over the world, just like the news of Abe's death was, but the scope was limited, i don't think it had any bearing on the West. The news of the dissolution appears to be global, but I wouldn't correlate it to the divisions happening after the death of MoonSaussure4661 (talk)10:22, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hemiauchenia also, it's a dissolution, not a division, so it's technically in the wrong section, it should be highlighted in the section on Japanese controversies because anything in the division section relates to the aftermath of Moon's death, at least that's how it reads. Is the dissolution a direct result of disputes among family members, again, going by the existing content in that section? It's the same type of dispute as the child adoption, an issue with the Japanese government as far as the content is concerned, needs some consistency. The dissolution is also a disputenwith the Japanese governmentSaussure4661 (talk)09:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
DoneSaussure4661 (talk)22:21, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Heaven and democracy

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There's an oft-cited misquotation about "automatic theocracy" in the section on political viewpoints.

  • Note that the phrase "automatic theocracy" is seen within the church as a translation error. Mrs. Won Pok Choi, while translating the extemporaneous speech, compressed several minutes of Rev. Moon's exposition about the process by which the world would become transformed into the kingdom of heaven into this two-word phrase. Critics used to use this quote to "prove" their claim that Rev. Moon was dictatorial and anti-democratic, but Andrew Wilson had the recorded speech re-translated and exposed the discrepancy. Here is the word-for-word re-translation:
    What? Separate religion from politics? Why separate religion from politics? Why separate politics from religion? Can you separate God from politics? God is active in the realization of all human affairs. Therefore, when the democracies produce a succession of many uncorrupted politicians, it will become heaven on earth. Don't you agree that this is the way it should be?

Uncle Ed (talk)21:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be saying that a democracy will naturally become an autocracy under uncorrupted politicians, no? Heaven is an absolute autocracy after all, not a democracy. Remember that beyond this specific quote the consensus is that Rev. Moon was dictatorial and anti-democratic, he certainly didn't tolerate any democratic dissent within the Church and I don't remember his position within the Unification Church being an elected one.Horse Eye's Back (talk)00:31, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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