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"Numerous challenges came during his trial. Saddam and his lawyers contested the court's authority and maintained that he was still the President of Iraq.[214] There were assassinations and attempted assassinations of several of Saddam's lawyers.[214] The replacement of the chief presiding judge midway through the trial had impact on the trial.[214]"
1) The article doesn't mention Saddam's lawyers contesting the court's authority. It was just Saddam.2) Nothing in this article mentions assassinations or attempts against Saddam’s lawyers.
“The replacement of the chief presiding judge midway through the trial had impact on the trial.”3) Not supported. The article only mentions the chief judge Raouf Abdel-Rahman presiding, but does not say anything about replacement of judges.
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Change "Saddam and his lawyers contested the court's authority and maintained that he was still the President of Iraq.[214]" to "Saddam contested the court's authority and maintained that he was still the President of Iraq.[214]"
Remove "There were assassinations and attempted assassinations of several of Saddam's lawyers.[214] The replacement of the chief presiding judge midway through the trial had impact on the trial.[214]"85.253.168.70 (talk)23:26, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: Rather than removing all of this material, we simply need better sourcing. It is indisputably true that Saddam's lawyers questioned the tribunal's legitimacy, that at least one of them (Khamis Al-Obeidi) was assassinated, and that the chief judge was replaced during the trial. The article should be updated with sources found atTrial of Saddam Hussein.Day Creature (talk)04:23, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The label is very disputed, his charatistics, while some may connect to dictator ones, he is alot more benevolant then other dictators, which is characterised by his mass-development compaigns, his literacy reforms, hes dedication to womens rights, his promotion of iraqi secularism and the protection of religious minorites, with alot of iraqis feeling nostalgic for him and iraq during his leadership, he would be an example of a middle eastern tito, so i believe he does no deserve the title of dictator, and it should be kept as PresidentLocal Mandaean (talk)06:48, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I submit that the best image for this article will be when the subject was at or near the height of their notability, and the late 1960s isn't it. The color image from the late 90s was a far better fit. I'm not suggesting it's the best possible choice, but it is far more suitable than the black-and-white choice placed today.Stefen𝕋ower's got the power!!1!Gab •Gruntwerk22:28, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So you're making an argument that we judge by visuals alone, then? Note that images are not for decoration purposes - they are to convey information as part of the article. It would be useful for you to explain for others here why a black-and-white image of Saddam a full decade before he was prime minister must be used when we had a color image of when he was at the height of his power and global notability.Stefen𝕋ower's got the power!!1!Gab •Gruntwerk23:34, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Before this back-and-forth, I was not aware of the recent RFC from a few months ago. It appears that the current image (A) was decided/kept by that process. I don't believe it is optimal, but processes reign supreme here at Wikipedia. If there's a new RFC at some point, I shall be sure to participate. It would have been nice if someone mentioned the RFC here, as it was hidden in the archive (probably too quickly).
B. Notability to who? Saddam's international notability would be the 1980s-1990s with the Iran-Iraq War and the First Gulf War. Arguably the early 2000s too with the Second American Invasion of Iraq. I think the image being in colour is important too, this is not a figure from a age before colour.Remikipedia (talk)04:02, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"The uprisings led to the death of 100,000–180,000 people, mostly civilians." I have extensively researched the 1991 iraqi uprising and have understood how it happened in almost every governate extending from basra to erbil, after conducting large spread research and even looking at the sources used on this article, it is exaggeration to say over 100,000-180,000 people died during the iraqi 1991 uprisings, by this time iraqs population was nearing around 18 million people, to say that over 350,000 died during the iran iraq war, that supposedly (this has been disproven many times) during the gulf war anymore then 20,000 died, (some exaggerated media have boosted the iraqi death-score to over 100.000 in the gulf war) it is almost demographically impossible to manage the deaths (according to these sources) of over 650,000 people to 750,000 dying in the span of 20 years, majority of these people would be the bulk of young men, seeing this there should be a obvious population drop and or halt, we have not seen this anywhere and during this time the iraqi populationg grew as normal, in 1995, there were still more MEN then women, this almost completely disproves these exaggerated numers. This article in specific, while not about the 1991 uprising mentions that over 100,000 civillians were killed by saddam, the source, shows a "mass" grave, which had 38 people... how are we to use that at all as a proper-source to prove the death of over 100,000 people? That isnt a small numer.Local Mandaean (talk)12:38, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Remember that the decisions made in the article should be based on what previously published material states and not our own analyses (this is whatWikipedia:No original research states). Generally, what figures do published academic sources generally say about such uprisings? When one compiles a list, one should generally use what results we find.WhisperToMe (talk)14:28, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
level-4 vital article is ratedB-class on Wikipedia'scontent assessment scale.
Not done: Rather than removing all of this material, we simply need better sourcing. It is indisputably true that Saddam's lawyers questioned the tribunal's legitimacy, that at least one of them (Khamis Al-Obeidi) was assassinated, and that the chief judge was replaced during the trial. The article should be updated with sources found atTrial of Saddam Hussein.Day Creature (talk)04:23, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply].png)
Done This is also confirmed by the cited source in this article.Day Creature (talk)17:14, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
