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The territorial organization of the Republic of Serbia is regulated by a new Law on Territorial Organization dated December 29, 2007[1] Main changes include :
Serbia is divided into150 municipalities and24 cities,
as witnessed by the previous 10 years of so of their existence. ---- This could have been changed 10 years ago. See Serbian Wikipedia, where they separate the items.
I'm not going to be gentle with you --- Your choice.
If you really want to be of help, you could, for example, update the village and town population figures --- Exactly that is my plan. But best via Wikidata. And for using the data from there more easily I did create municipality articles separated from the seats. Then the Infobox:Settlement can be used to display Wikidata values directly. And bots could do other updates.
There is not an universal convention how to treat administrative units and populated places. Different wikipedias solve them differently; what sr.wiki does is not binding to en.wiki whatsoever.
In particular case of Serbia (which is also true for most of Europe), the lowest-level units (municipalities) are centered around a town (or a larger village), which is the seat and its gravity center. Other places in the municipality are relatively insignificant villages.
In case of Serbia (and many other countries), the town and the municipality have the same name, the town is its seat, all institutions are placed there, they have a single official website, tourist organization, mayor, council, you name it. It's not as if the town is ruled from an imaginary administrative unit placed elsewhere.
Maintenance issue: there are 170 or so municipalities in Serbia. Croatia, for example, has429. Most of these articles are stubs or C-class, one or two screens long, neglected and seldom updated. Most of{{Serbian census 2011}} information updates and 2013 local elections hasn't made it into the articles. We have a shortage of Serbian editors working on those articles. See e.g. article onKruševac, a major city. Now, splitting municipality data from those articles means two more infoboxes to maintain and additional eyes necessary to watch.
Foremost: the reader experience. What isgained by splitting the articles? Municipality articles will only contain population information and a list of villages.Andrijevica Municipality of Montenegro, which you quoted as a good example, will hardly ever grow, because there's nothing interesting to add. That is easily accommodated by a section in the town article. And click on absolutely uselessKotor Municipality andHerceg Novi Municipality to learn about maintenance problem.
By splitting, you force the reader to click twice every time to find an information about the town surroundings, or about the municipality seat. Or, when researching, to wonder whether they should chooseKotor orKotor Municipality to learn about the town vicinity.
In light of recentBrussels Agreement: what is thecurrent position of Serbian government about legality of "UNMIK" (new) municipalities? This article still says that "However, the Government of Serbia does not recognize the territorial re-organization of Kosovo", but as they signed the accords and supported the 2013 local elections, that position is apparently de facto abandoned. Do they still maintain the silly "municipal administrations in exile", placed in towns surrounding Kosovo, used chiefly as money drain and source of nepotism?
If that position changed (de facto or de jure), we could easily remove that silly mantra from most of relevant articles, and leave only a short notice about history of their position in this article.No such user (talk)18:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree with that. I think there are actually two problems - one is the specific factual issue (which would benefit from better sourcing) and the other is the bizarre rash of disclaimers, inserting "not recognised" anywhere it could possible be inserted, across hundreds of articles.bobrayner (talk)23:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Found one source (there are probably better ones), from exactly a year ago:[4] (Goggle Translate does a quite decent job of that, by the way), quote:
The Government of Serbia has abolished the administration of seven municipalities with Kosovo where Serbs do not live: Podujevo, Djakovica, Suva Reka, Decani, Prizren, Ferizaj and Klina. Instead the president and deputy mayor will appoint coordinators.
Explaining the decision, which was met with a variety of comments and a lot of upset the remaining Serbs in Kosovo, Minister for Kosovo and Metohija Goran Bogdanovic said that "it is unacceptable that the grotesque decision in 2008, under which the elections were held in Kosovo, we pay some presidents, Vice President, President of the Assembly, and the people do nothing. "
I'm fine with your wording (the lead sentence flows better, and "disband" is certainly more encyclopedic than "demolish") sans thatunilateral mantra and that cherry-picked primary source. The fact that Kosovo declared independence in 2008 falls strongly intoWP:BLUE category, so it doesn't even need sourcing. The legal status of that declaration decidedly doesnot belong to an article about Serbian municipalities or UNSCR 1244, but maybe toPolitical status of Kosovo or somewhere else, subject to editorial consensus.No such user (talk)15:38, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are cannot be reason not to have map of Serbia as it is by constitution. We have official serbian maps, and we use those one, for this artice. On other places it can be different maps with eplanation, but here we must use map as serbia use it. And its not "outdated" but only your other thinking about it, so do not write it as its is normal, as it is not. --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ)21:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate that some people very strongly wish to maintain this fantasy, but that map shows regions as part of Serbia which arenot actually part of Serbia. Please stop misleading readers. If you want a second map further down, which represents some hypothetical Serbian geography (ie, your interpretation of the constitution), rather thanactual Serbian geography, then I could accept that as a compromise; but we must stop misleading readers. The map is not the only problem; I would point out that the lede says:
Of the 150 municipalities, 41 are located in Southern and Eastern Serbia, 42 in Šumadija and Western Serbia, 39 in Vojvodina and 28 (de facto 37) in Kosovo.
And what can be wrong here, Serbia officially have Kosovo as part of its territory. Its not "hypothetical" or "interpretation of the constitution", you go and read it your self now.
So, we must use this map, as this is official, and its not fantasy. We all knaw that republika of Kosovo exist, but serbia official status is the same, so must use it until it is like that. --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ)15:47, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is distressing that you try an argument based on the Serbian constitution - rather than reality - without even a basic understanding of Serbian constitutional history. This explains the repeated insertion of factual errors; I don't think it's deliberate, although Antidiskriminator ought to know better. Please do not reinsert fantasies; this is an encyclopædia, and content should be factual.bobrayner (talk)21:55, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Whether constitution mentions it or not, the point is that Serbia continues to claim it as part of its own sovereign territory. --Antidiskriminator (talk)22:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Antidiskriminator, why do you continue to edit-war to insert factual errors on multiple articles? Your preferred map isnot true. Do you understand what a factual error is? This constant tendentious behaviour is deeply frustrating.bobrayner (talk)23:44, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Bobryner, I already replied to you and pointed toTemplate:Kosovo-note which says:"Kosovo note was created with reference to the main wikipedia guidelines, like Wikipedia:NPOV, and Wikipedia:Naming conventions". You are of course free to disagree, but I don't think you should expect me to be somehow obliged to keep discussing it with you for as long as you are dissatisfied with it. --Antidiskriminator (talk)07:09, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Kosovo-note template is not a magic wand that permits you to present serbian nationalist fantasy as though it were reality. Antidiskriminator, why do you continue to edit-war to insert factual errors on multiple articles? Your preferred map is not true. Do you understand what a factual error is? This constant tendentious behaviour is deeply frustrating.bobrayner (talk)01:02, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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