Provincial monarchs

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The result was:rejected byNarutolovehinata5 (talk) 01:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Article issues could not be addressed within a reasonable timeframe.

• ... thatPakistan was a monarchy from 1947 to 1956?
  Source:[3]Kumarasingham, Harshan (2013),THE 'TROPICAL DOMINIONS': THE APPEAL OF DOMINION STATUS IN THE DECOLONISATION OF INDIA, PAKISTAN AND CEYLON, vol. 23, Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, p. 223
  • ALT1: ... thatQueen Elizabeth II was themonarch of independent Pakistan from 1952 to 1956?
  • ALT2: ... that the Muslim-majority countryPakistan had anindependent Christian monarchy from 1947 to 1956?

5x expanded byPeter Ormond (talk). Self-nominated at05:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC).[reply]

• General eligibility:

• New enough: - Small parts of the article were copied without attribution fromDominion of Pakistan and not attributed
• Long enough:

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough and sourced. Unfortunately I think some of the text was copied fromDominion of Pakistan without attribution but it wasn't expanded 5x which makes it ineligible. This would have to be fixed.

No copyvio (false positives though) and qpq is not needed. I replaced a source in the article with a better source, and added it to the hooks which are cited and interesting.ALT1 is the most attention-grabbing imo.BuySomeApples (talk)16:56, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BuySomeApples,Peter Ormond ALT2 is the most interesting IMO. But is itWP:SYNTH or have sources made a similar claim?VR_talk05:14, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"As Queen of Pakistan and of Ceylon, Elizabeth was the first British monarch to be crowned as sovereign of countries that were overwhelmingly non-Christian, but only minimal concessions were made to this new reality." Quoted inWestminster Abbey: A Thousand Years of National Pageantry, 2011, p. 177,ISBN 9781847650825 Peter Ormond💬17:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PingingNikkimaria in the hopes that she can determine just how much of this article was copied fromDominion of Pakistan without attribution, and if so, that will tell us how long the current article will need to be to qualify as a 5x expansion of that copied material. (It may qualify now; we don't know yet.) Also, the "citation needed" and "failed verification" templates in the first sentence need to be addressed, as does the OR template, before the nomination can be approved.BlueMoonset (talk)05:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It appears there was also content copied from other articles - for example the wording about "fount of justice" appeared in theMonarchy of Canada article before it appeared here, and "formally superior to the archbishop" etc came fromDefender of the Faith. So aside from the question of length, this will need proper attribution forevery article from which it has copied, and we need to know all of the articles copied to be able to assess length.Nikkimaria (talk)00:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be possible for the article to simply be brought to GA status in order to make things simpler and ensure eligibility?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)04:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That would get around the length issue, but attribution would still be required.Nikkimaria (talk)12:38, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Peter Ormond: Do you think you will be able to bring the article to GA status, and to address the attribution concerns?Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)05:48, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I would be able to do that, as I don't consider myself an experienced editor, it's only been a year since I joined Wikipedia. Maybe some other experienced user can do that. Peter Ormond💬06:27, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BuySomeApples andNikkimaria: We'll probably need a decision now on what to do with the nomination.Narutolovehinata5 (talk ·contributions)07:45, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• if the nominator isn't going to bring this up to DYK standards, this should be probably be closed (unless someone chooses to adopt this nom).theleekycauldron (talk •contribs) (they/them)08:31, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]