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Keir Starmer was the opposition leader when the conviction happened, but there's been recent developments in this case since Starmer became prime minister. The parts of this article mentioning Rishi Sunak's then government ministers should say "then health secretary" for example, as they are no longer the incumbent government.87.114.4.246 (talk)17:25, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lucy Letby is a convicted serial baby murderer. Others that are convicted serial killers are referred to as such in the opening paragraph. I see no reason why she is exempt from this. The article also seems to be arguing for the defence. She is a convicted serial baby murderer and that is a fact, could someone please look into improving quality facts and bias of the article.Megan Marie Grant (talk)08:26, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a month late to this, but I feel like this point needs to be addressed. Lucy Letby is not "exempt" from some universal practice of treating convicts as though they are automatically guilty. The reason the doubts over her conviction are given so much weight is because, unlike for exampleRandy Kraft orDavid Mulcahy (serial killers who are referred as such despite claiming innocence), her claims of innocence have been given credence by a large amount of reliable sources and promoted by major public figures such as former Supreme Court president Lord Sumption, so they are notable enough to be given weight in the article. The situation is no different from our coverage ofJulius Jones orMelissa Lucio's claims of innocence.TRCRF22 (talk)10:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@NebY yes but it may be worth revisiting now. In the meantime, a similar conviction (that of Brenda Agüero) is referred to on Wikipedia as a former nurse and convicted serial killer. Just this week, further arrests were made related to these events and further evidence was turned over to CPS. This page is out of step with the facts and I for one would like to see the issue reopened. Or will we consider this issue pending until the CCRC speaks on her application, possibly years and further convictions hence?HouseplantHobbyist (talk)18:02, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are not arguing the point raised, but a different one. The RFC supports the lead description, and the arrest of hospital managers has no effect upon that. Meanwhile, looking atBrenda Agüero, I note that the entire article is the work of a single author. I looked at the citations given, and they did not support calling her a serial killer. We don't use Wikipedia page text to assert what other page text on different articles should say, as someone can improve those pages too (as I have now done).Sirfurboy🏄 (talk)19:05, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sirfurboy how does one open a new RFC? I think it would be good to revisit this issue, given the passage of time and the new information. As I understand, if the current position is the right one, a new rfc will reinforce it, right?HouseplantHobbyist (talk)03:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SeeWP:RFC. Read carefully the section onWP:RFCBEFORE. You might want to ask for help from some uninvolved editors who have experience of RFCs in framing the question, whichmust be neutrally phrased. My own advice, however, would be not to go there. Nothing has, in fact, materially changed at this point. There is no reason to expect a different outcome, and it will consume many hours - perhaps hundreds of hours of effort.Sirfurboy🏄 (talk)06:20, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Editor CaptainEek writes that he does not know what “safety” of a conviction means. I think this is a difference between UK and US terminology. In UK the usual term is “safety”. In both cases it means (I think) that there can now be reasonable doubt that the convictions correspond to the underlying truth of the matter.Richard Gill (talk)04:59, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I believe Eek is a she. Wikipedia is an international encyclopaedia, so we should perhaps use the most recognisable term, or explain a term if it is unclear, although I think "safety" here is probably fine without explanation, as its meaning seems guessable.Sirfurboy🏄 (talk)06:58, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"On 4 February 2025, Lucy Letby's legal team applied for her case to be reviewed as a potential miscarriage of justice."Applied to whom? And needs a source."An application to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and a new application to the Court of Appeal are pending."This may need to be reworded when the previous point is addressed.209.93.202.123 (talk)11:51, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article presently states 'Letby initially failed her final year student placement, but passed a retrieval placement after requesting a new assessor. In 2011, Nicola Lightfoot, her assessor, reported she was lacking in clinical and medication knowledge and needed more experience in "picking up on non-verbal signs of anxiety/distress from parents"; in a 2024 inquiry, Lightfoot said she had found Letby to be "cold"'. I'm guessing that Lightfoot was her first assessor. Does anyone know? I think the article should say "Nicola Lightfoot, her first assessor" or "second assessor", as the case may be.Richard Gill (talk)13:14, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
